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The place to talk Marshall University sports! => HerdFans => Topic started by: scope58 on March 30, 2024, 01:10:55 PM
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Hope Corny is already beating the bushes for quick guards that can make things happen. Anyone have any info on players he might be looking at ?
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I believe he?s smart enough to address our needs. I look at last year?s roster and just shake my head at the lack of talent and skill set. You take 1 or 2 players away and it?s nothing more than a tall recreational church team. It?s one thing to recruit with a good chance that the coach makes them better. But that just isn?t the case with Marshall. Whether you?re a good coach or not! Common sense says get the best players possible.
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Guys we have expressed interest in:
Devo Davis (guard) Arkansas
Brian Moore (guard) Murray State
Derrin Boyd (guard) Lipscomb
AJ Smith (guard) The Citadel
Jlynn Counter (guard) IUPUI
Madison Durr (guard) The Citadel
Zion Richardson (guard) Quincy D2
Justin Wright (guard) Loyola Marymount
Roger McFarlane (guard) Southeastern Louisiana
DJ Campbell (guard) Western Carolina
Jaden Wells (guard) Central Oklahoma D2
Sean Moore (forward) Fairleigh Dickinson
Jay Alvarez Houson Christian
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Guys we have expressed interest in:
Devo Davis (guard) Arkansas
Brian Moore (guard) Murray State
Derrin Boyd (guard) Lipscomb
AJ Smith (guard) The Citadel
Jlynn Counter (guard) IUPUI
Madison Durr (guard) The Citadel
Zion Richardson (guard) Quincy D2
Justin Wright (guard) Loyola Marymount. Cool, I will look some of these guys up.
Roger McFarlane (guard) Southeastern Louisiana
DJ Campbell (guard) Western Carolina
Jaden Wells (guard) Central Oklahoma D2
Sean Moore (forward) Fairleigh Dickinson
Jay Alvarez Houson Christian
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Get Jevin Munoz - soph Delaware State
Guard/Forward - 6.7?
66% at Texas / 23 pts
All MEAC
Will create lineup versatility
SBC will not be a problem for him. Plays physical
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I heard last night that both Adam Williams and Justin Caldwell are in on some impressive JUCO players as well. I heard these are JUCO players with credentials and the ability to add some different skill sets to the roster.
I am guessing that Corny realizes that we need to change the overall talent set on our roster and that with only 2 years, he isn't going to mess around.
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https://x.com/jakelieberman2/status/1774147677518749716?s=20
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Off guard not a true point guard
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Hope Corny cleans out the dead weight on the roster and brings in several new players.
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Boyd would be a great get!
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I heard last night that both Adam Williams and Justin Caldwell are in on some impressive JUCO players as well. I heard these are JUCO players with credentials and the ability to add some different skill sets to the roster.
I am guessing that Corny realizes that we need to change the overall talent set on our roster and that with only 2 years, he isn't going to mess around.
. That?s great
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Boyd would be a great get!
That is who I like also off that list.
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NC State is going to the Final Four and the portal played a large role in that happening.
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I like this guys game as well.
https://x.com/PDTScouting/status/1771197604598022511?s=20 (https://x.com/PDTScouting/status/1771197604598022511?s=20)
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Kelvin Muniz reached double figures in points in all but six games this season. He netted 31 points in a game against Morgan State before averaging 15.1 points, 3.8 rebounds and 3.0 assists.
Both Muniz and Robinson made the All-MEAC Tournament team after helping the Hornets reach the league finals.
"Delaware State has been my home for past 2 years and I appreaciate the love, support and mentorship I received," Muniz wrote on social media. "It was amazing.
"I'd like to say thank you to my teammates, coaches and fans for the support! After deeper thoughts and talks with my family I will be entering my name into the transfer portal."
- Has 23 points at Texas
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Limited NIL $ so find diamonds in the rough. Outwork others and evaluate players:
D2 ballers
JUCOs
D1 portal guys with potential
Go Herd!
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6'7" JUCO guard/forward Amarion Dickerson was originally committed to College of Charleston but has de-committed and is receiving a lot of interest from Marshall. Dickerson played at Mineral Area Junior College this past season.
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https://x.com/BT_mar3/status/1774562921655230632?s=20
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https://x.com/jakelieberman2/status/1775014211841655237?s=20
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https://x.com/jakelieberman2/status/1774900980984717512?s=20
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From his junior year
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From his junior year
This guy checks the boxes for PG.
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there were a few 2024 offers on the table before CJ took over, correct? wonder which of those are still active, if any? same for the 2025 and beyond, as well, including Slay and the Conner brother too. just curious
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TrueFr pg can be highly successful in SBC
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really nice shooting stroke- nice all around game, at least, at that level
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https://x.com/AMFKristensen/status/1775264090103173123?s=20
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https://x.com/ColbyGHoops/status/1775216925561286911?s=20
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https://x.com/ThePortalReport/status/1775273496652005746?s=20
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I like what Corny is doing. Looks like he is going after a lot of transfers that are athletic and quick. Throw out 20-30-40 offers and if you can land 3-4-5 then you are in business. You pretty much have the inside covered with Iak, Martin and Fricks. Land a really good PG and some wing players and play ball.
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I like what Corny is doing. Looks like he is going after a lot of transfers that are athletic and quick. Throw out 20-30-40 offers and if you can land 3-4-5 then you are in business. You pretty much have the inside covered with Iak, Martin and Fricks. Land a really good PG and some wing players and play ball.
But don?t turn away a stud power forward or big, if he comes your way.
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But don?t turn away a stud power forward or big, if he comes your way.
yes! let's not forget, the only 2 players most of us want coming back only have 1 more year of eligibility. we should be hitting the trail as if we're a startup program with absolutely nothing in the cupboard.
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yes! let's not forget, the only 2 players most of us want coming back only have 1 more year of eligibility. we should be hitting the trail as if we're a startup program with absolutely nothing in the cupboard.
This is why Pruett, Nutter and Braun need to be moved out. Need 8 scholarships open. 2PGs, 1-2 inside kids and 4 shooters/slashers.
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https://x.com/247HSHoops/status/1781343537126129880
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https://x.com/CoachDomBrooks/status/1780639946501714157
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https://x.com/247HSHoops/status/1781343537126129880
Would love to have this kid. What we have been missing. YoYo ball handler and cat quick that can break down a defense.
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https://x.com/ThePortalReport/status/1781661158060998816
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Now this what we needed to build positive interest back into the MBB program. Corny is going after ballers!
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https://x.com/JucoRecruiting/status/1782137069705294207
https://x.com/CoachTreal2/status/1777794318352179615
Supposedly he was just here with a few others
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Now this what we needed to build positive interest back into the MBB program. Corny is going after ballers!
Let's just hope he signs 3/4. We'll need every one of them.
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https://x.com/PDTScouting/status/1782194041502732735
Well mark this guy off now
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I don't know how reliable Verbal Commitments is in regarding to recruiting. I believe the site gets its information from X postings, not sure. If you pull up the below link, we have offers out to JUCO players. The site says we have a offered point guard Dylan Williams and SF Amarion Dickerson. It also lists high schools players we have offered. The site has our recent and past history of players.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/marshall
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I don't know how reliable Verbal Commitments is in regarding to recruiting. I believe the site gets its information from X postings, not sure. If you pull up the below link, we have offers out to JUCO players. The site says we have a offered point guard Dylan Williams and SF Amarion Dickerson. It also lists high schools players we have offered. The site has our recent and past history of players.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/marshall
Verbal is a good recruiting source, but typically they are only getting their information from just the players themselves (which players sometimes exaggerate who is recruiting them; so just beware).
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https://x.com/ThePortalReport/status/1782899607493554637
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https://x.com/ThePortalReport/status/1782899607493554637
At least Corny is going after kids that are being recruited by some decent schools. Throw out 40-50 offers to good guards and hope you land 2-3.
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At least Corny is going after kids that are being recruited by some decent schools. Throw out 40-50 offers to good guards and hope you land 2-3.
There are now close to 2800 players in the transfer portal now, not including JUCO/cc and high schoolers.
Just can't imagine trying to recruit in this Wild West environment.
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https://x.com/JamieShaw5/status/1782934830352568519
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There are now close to 2800 players in the transfer portal now, not including JUCO/cc and high schoolers.
Just can't imagine trying to recruit in this Wild West environment.
Patience is the key right now it appears to me
We aren't flush with $$$ unless things have changed over a week or so ago
So, plenty of dudes gonna get left without a chair when the music stops imo
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Patience is the key right now it appears to me
We aren't flush with $$$ unless things have changed over a week or so ago
So, plenty of dudes gonna get left without a chair when the music stops imo
I keep seeing posters say we don?t have NIL money. I do know football does very well and basketball is behind the 8 ball due to our previous coach not buying in. But bball just got an influx of cash(just in the last couple weeks) for NIL. Not calling you or anyone out, I don?t have some serious connections but I do have a few. We are competing very well against our peers. Obviously we are not competing and will never compete with the Alabamas of the world. That?s my 2 cents on the whole nil thing.
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I keep seeing posters say we don?t have NIL money. I do know football does very well and basketball is behind the 8 ball due to our previous coach not buying in. But bball just got an influx of cash(just in the last couple weeks) for NIL. Not calling you or anyone out, I don?t have some serious connections but I do have a few. We are competing very well against our peers. Obviously we are not competing and will never compete with the Alabamas of the world. That?s my 2 cents on the whole nil thing.
That's great to hear man
I haven't followed up after what I heard a week or so ago which was no bueno in NIL
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That's great to hear man
I haven't followed up after what I heard a week or so ago which was no bueno in NIL
My guy could be completely wrong. But for the life of me do not see why he would lie and he is in the know.
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My guy could be completely wrong. But for the life of me do not see why he would lie and he is in the know.
I've heard we only had $100K for NIL last year
I assume that was same number this year that Corny was saddled with until he started to beat the bushes for $$$
Anyone confirm?
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I've heard we only had $100K for NIL last year
I assume that was same number this year that Corny was saddled with until he started to beat the bushes for $$$
Anyone confirm?
My understanding as well. I didn?t get an exact number, but was told it was a significant increase. Whatever that means lol
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https://x.com/jakelieberman2/status/1783298240781132244
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https://x.com/TP4PT/status/1783192349008351301
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This says all that needs to be said, if we count 330 DI teams, 13 scholarships a team, this number represents 12.6% of players, and the portal season isn't over yet. Over one out of 10 players have changed teams already; let that sink in.
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I know some are wanting to see us sign players now?. With seeing the quality of players Corny is going after, I?m 100% fine with being patient.
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I know some are wanting to see us sign players now?. With seeing the quality of players Corny is going after, I?m 100% fine with being patient.
Isn't it refreshing seeing so many offers out there to quality guards for a change?
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https://x.com/ThePortalReport/status/1784372697138421920
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https://x.com/JamieShaw5/status/1783948196089094218
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https://x.com/JamieShaw5/status/1783948196089094218
Nesbit is a great athlete. Would love to get a PG like Hammond and a couple more like Nesbitt.
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https://x.com/TP4PT/status/1786078704780636454
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https://x.com/NCAABuzzerBters/status/1786173626875535381
Interesting
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https://x.com/Dywill03/status/1786180205041586382
Well that sucks, was hoping to land him after he visited.
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https://x.com/TP4PT/status/1786471406835777675
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https://x.com/TP4PT/status/1786431117815337158
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https://x.com/ThePortalReport/status/1786838348033556526
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Well mark another one that we offered recently
https://x.com/BT_mar3/status/1786539798200492540
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https://x.com/jakelieberman2/status/1787570539680444568
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Martaz Robinson signed? He was in portal. Tough, physical guard that can score, rebound and assist. First team all MEAC.
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Martaz Robinson signed? He was in portal. Tough, physical guard that can score, rebound and assist. First team all MEAC.
He signed with Marshall ?
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He signed with Marshall ?
He has been in the portal since March 24, 2024 per Verbal Commits and he has no offers. Toussaint has been in the portal since March 18 and he doesn't have any offers listed. I believe the offers are based on the twitter accounts.
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Robinson looks like he doesn't use his left hand much- that's almost unheard nowadays and very one-dimensional. otherwise, he seems to move well enough.
https://youtu.be/wdNkG_ciEQ8 (https://youtu.be/wdNkG_ciEQ8)
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4703996/martaz-robinson (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4703996/martaz-robinson)
seemed to get involved very slowly over three years at Delaware. injured a lot or just slow to mature?
https://dsuhornets.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/martaz--robinson/6785 (https://dsuhornets.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/martaz--robinson/6785)
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Robinson looks like he doesn't use his left hand much- that's almost unheard nowadays and very one-dimensional. otherwise, he seems to move well enough.
https://youtu.be/wdNkG_ciEQ8 (https://youtu.be/wdNkG_ciEQ8)
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4703996/martaz-robinson (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4703996/martaz-robinson)
seemed to get involved very slowly over three years at Delaware. injured a lot or just slow to mature?
https://dsuhornets.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/martaz--robinson/6785 (https://dsuhornets.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/martaz--robinson/6785)
17.3 ppg Ave against ncaa tourney teams
Texas
Grambling
Longwood
Howard
15 & 8 boards at Wake Forest
Physical build
Baltimore player
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As I often am, I'm confused. Did this young man sign with us or not?
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https://x.com/TP4PT/status/1787894266716475568
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As I often am, I'm confused. Did this young man sign with us or not?
Martaz Robinson has not committed to us.
We have interest in him though and supposedly we are in his price range.
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https://x.com/JUCOShowcase/status/1784957697198022954
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Martaz Robinson has not committed to us.
We have interest in him though and supposedly we are in his price range.
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Looks more like a combo guard. We need a point guard that can pass, shoot, penetrate and distribute. Like to get that kid from South Carolina.
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Looks more like a combo guard. We need a point guard that can pass, shoot, penetrate and distribute. Like to get that kid from South Carolina.
We need scoring! He scores. And he gets into the lane whenever he wants with a great mid range pull-up jump shot. We haven?t had that in a long time. He avg 16ppg on not a lot of shots a game. Excellent rebounder. Very active around the rim. Physical player.
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Looks more like a combo guard. We need a point guard that can pass, shoot, penetrate and distribute. Like to get that kid from South Carolina.
Need both. Who?s the combo guard now.
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Looks more like a combo guard. We need a point guard that can pass, shoot, penetrate and distribute. Like to get that kid from South Carolina.
We need a PG and a combo guard
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Whoever that team is he is playing against couldn't beat some pickup teams at the "Y".
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If it's taking this long and we still haven't signed any guards then it's a bad sign imo. I hope I'm wrong and we can land a couple nice guards. If not, we may as well forget about competing for a SB championship. We didn't even come close with Curfman and Voyles and they came to Marshall and averaged 15 and 13. Need better than that.
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Whoever that team is he is playing against couldn't beat some pickup teams at the "Y".
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Avg 17ppg against NCAA tourney teams. Teams that would beat marshall.
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And he gets into the lane whenever he wants with a great mid range pull-up jump shot. We haven?t had that in a long time.
Have you already forgotten about Kinsey?? My goodness, his mid range jumper was deadly.
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We need a PG and a combo guard
Point guards who aren't capable scorers hold your team back in todays world of college basketball. You need combo guars with the ability to facilitate. Examples at Marshall's level (Jon Elmore, Andy Taylor) had the ball in their hands but could "GO" when needed. A PG who averages 8 points and 6 assists gets you nowhere in college basketball today.
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Point guards who aren't capable scorers hold your team back in todays world of college basketball. You need combo guars with the ability to facilitate. Examples at Marshall's level (Jon Elmore, Andy Taylor) had the ball in their hands but could "GO" when needed. A PG who averages 8 points and 6 assists gets you nowhere in college basketball today.
That's not what I'm saying
I meant a scoring PG like Elmore and we also need a combo guard who can score and handle the ball at times
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Point guards who aren't capable scorers hold your team back in todays world of college basketball. You need combo guars with the ability to facilitate. Examples at Marshall's level (Jon Elmore, Andy Taylor) had the ball in their hands but could "GO" when needed. A PG who averages 8 points and 6 assists gets you nowhere in college basketball today.
I?d take a Damier Pitts over an Andy Taylor any day.
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I?d take a Damier Pitts over an Andy Taylor any day.
I'd take either one please 😂
Hell, I'd take both right now 🤣
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Here's a thought...
Amid portal era, Calipari hints at limiting Ark. roster to '8 or 9 guys'
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40115234/amid-portal-era-calipari-hints-limiting-arkansas-roster-8-9-guys
We certainly could've got by doing this last season! Woulda saved the BG a lotta wasted scholarship $!
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Seems like in pro ball every team has multiple players bringing the ball up
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Here's a thought...
Amid portal era, Calipari hints at limiting Ark. roster to '8 or 9 guys'
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40115234/amid-portal-era-calipari-hints-limiting-arkansas-roster-8-9-guys
We certainly could've got by doing this last season! Woulda saved the BG a lotta wasted scholarship $!
If the big schools start using fewer of their scholarships, that would mean four or five fewer scholarships available per school and that would have a trickle down effect for a school like Marshall to get better players.
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I?d take a Damier Pitts over an Andy Taylor any day.
Hmmm check the numbers. Pitts averaged roughly 15.5 a game his last two years...A guard that can score. not a 8&6 guy I was talking about.
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Here's a thought...
Amid portal era, Calipari hints at limiting Ark. roster to '8 or 9 guys'
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40115234/amid-portal-era-calipari-hints-limiting-arkansas-roster-8-9-guys
We certainly could've got by doing this last season! Woulda saved the BG a lotta wasted scholarship $!
just when i think i've heard it all. lets say there's a rash of two or three players getting seriously injured. i don't think any coach in their right mind is going to self-limit their roster, especially programs with enough financial and NIL support.
i'll go as far as asking- why wouldn't they go in the opposite direction and force the weak ncaa to increase scholarships from 13 to whatever? why couldn't you win (in men's programs) with wholesale substitutions like Caldwell did with the women's program? can you imagine having 12 elite players and 8 really good players to work with?
closer to reality though, i really like this down-to-earth take on the subject-
If the big schools start using fewer of their scholarships, that would mean four or five fewer scholarships available per school and that would have a trickle down effect for a school like Marshall to get better players.
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https://x.com/JucoRecruiting/status/1789061824878432608
https://njcaa.org/sports/mbkb/2023-24/div1/players/damarionwalkup0vho
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Looks like Damarion Walkup visited and was offered by Southeast Missouri State, but that was back in March.
https://x.com/will323012/status/1777790251643052522
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Plays with 'tude. He won't walk it up.
Sign him up !
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May will be gone before you know it. Next 2-3 weeks are going to be beyond crucial. It's already looking like we are having a really tough time finding players especially guards. Boyles committed last year the first week of June and that was really late. Without a dynamic playmaker that can create and score this team is not going to do anything.
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I am hearing a solid rumor that Touissant is back on the team. I am not sure if he is taking up a scholarship or he is back as a walkon.
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I am hearing a solid rumor that Touissant is back on the team. I am not sure if he is taking up a scholarship or he is back as a walkon.
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What a clusterbomb this program is. I didn't think Corny was HC material. I'll support him and wish for the best. Hope he proves me wrong
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I am hearing a solid rumor that Touissant is back on the team. I am not sure if he is taking up a scholarship or he is back as a walkon.
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FWIW: Verbal Commits is not showing Touissant with any offers. Currently Verbal Commits shows our roster with the Gibbs twins; Dawson; Martin; OAK; Fricks; the two freshmen; Nutter; Pruett and Thieneman. That is 11 players and Touissant would give us 12 players. At least we would have enough to practice and have a scrimmage. Moe has offers from other colleges. Hopefully we will sign at least one or two guards. A friend of mine told me that he is afraid that the Women might outdraw the men's program this year.
https://verbalcommits.com/schools/marshall
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I?d take a Damier Pitts over an Andy Taylor any day.
Agree didn?t shoot much - scored when needed - much tougher competition - better team on - played defense - passed the ball.
Pitts was way better
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Agree didn?t shoot much - scored when needed - much tougher competition - better team on - played defense - passed the ball.
Pitts was way better
Oh God this isn't even close... Pitts is a top 5-7 PG in Herd history in my opinion, maybe even a little higher. He was REALLY REALLY good. And has had/still having a really solid professional career in various foreign leagues.
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Oh God this isn't even close... Pitts is a top 5-7 PG in Herd history in my opinion, maybe even a little higher. He was REALLY REALLY good. And has had/still having a really solid professional career in various foreign leagues.
A person I know grew up playing with steph curry and pitts until college. He said until then everyone in the Charlotte area viewed pitts as the better player.
Pitts avg 16.2 ppg junior year. Most shot attempts he ever took in a game that season was 15. Usually he avg about 12 shots a game. In DD shoot from anywhere anytime offense he would avg 25ppg. And the competition levels between Pitts and Taylor eras. Pitts in a landslide.
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https://x.com/jakelieberman2/status/1789442198158918008
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Certainly quiet on the western front. I stopped by the basketball office earlier in the week and all the coaches were in a closed door meeting. I asked some of the administrative staff when RF was going to be announced and was told "soon." They were having some recruits in this weekend, but there were to be no work outs as are players are out until June.
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If Corny allows Toussant back on the team with a scholarship then I won?t buy tickets. That will tell me all I need to know about CJ as a head coach.
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https://x.com/ThePortalScoop/status/1789720211903443180
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https://x.com/ThePortalScoop/status/1789720211903443180
Those are some no name schools we are competing against. Sounds like we are getting desperate at this point.
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Who is Edward Waters. Didn't he play with Pink Floyd?
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D2 hbcu
Roger Waters - Pink Floyd
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I'm starting to feel less and less confident about CJ. I really hope he can pull a couple rabbits out of his hat late. But right now we would have to be picked in the bottom 3 of a bad 14 team league. We aren't close to being as good as last years 20 loss team. We need guards and good scoring/ penetrating guards to be respectable. And year after looks like a complete train wreck losing Oak and Martin. We will need both guards and bigs then. This year we just needed guards and can't even find them.
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In the last month and a half, Corny has recruited harder than Dan did in his last 5 years alone. It's not the same game guys. You sound ridiculous saying you're less confident. Do you know what recruiting is right now? It's not about having time to build relationships, getting to know them, being super confident in their character. It's about $$$$. That's all it is. We have texted/called 100 different guards. Half won't even text back. Their "representative" texts back giving us an amount to get our foot in the door. The situation blows. We're gonna get a couple good guards, that aren't asking for an arm and a leg. It might be this week, it might next week, it might be next month. It is what it is. You wanna change it? Write a check. A big one.
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In the last month and a half, Corny has recruited harder than Dan did in his last 5 years alone.
Can we skip the over-zealotry on behalf of new staff and coaching? I mean this happens a lot where someone goes all in on the new guy too soon and ends up looking foolish and ticks off the rest of the board and vice versa. Just report the facts and keep the takes in your purse.
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In the last month and a half, Corny has recruited harder than Dan did in his last 5 years alone. It's not the same game guys. You sound ridiculous saying you're less confident. Do you know what recruiting is right now? It's not about having time to build relationships, getting to know them, being super confident in their character. It's about $$$$. That's all it is. We have texted/called 100 different guards. Half won't even text back. Their "representative" texts back giving us an amount to get our foot in the door. The situation blows. We're gonna get a couple good guards, that aren't asking for an arm and a leg. It might be this week, it might next week, it might be next month. It is what it is. You wanna change it? Write a check. A big one.
You keep saying we are going to get a couple good guards but it takes money that we don't have. I think you mean we are going to get a couple guards. If we can't get out foot in the door now then how we going to get a couple "good" guards in a week or two? I'm sure we will get guards but who? The ones Edward Floyd or Oklahoma Baptist are recruiting?
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And BTW 222. Did CJ allow Toussaint to get his scholarship back?
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It sounds like we are going to have to wait guys out. Once rosters start filling up and these guys start worrying about just finding a place to play vs how much money they can get, we will probably land a few.
Once we get our NIL setup and decently funded, the hiring of Rob Fulfurd should help us not be so behind like we are this year. I'm still willing to give Corny a couple years to get things settled with the roster.
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In the last month and a half, Corny has recruited harder than Dan did in his last 5 years alone. It's not the same game guys. You sound ridiculous saying you're less confident. Do you know what recruiting is right now? It's not about having time to build relationships, getting to know them, being super confident in their character. It's about $$$$. That's all it is. We have texted/called 100 different guards. Half won't even text back. Their "representative" texts back giving us an amount to get our foot in the door. The situation blows. We're gonna get a couple good guards, that aren't asking for an arm and a leg. It might be this week, it might next week, it might be next month. It is what it is. You wanna change it? Write a check. A big one.
Maybe Corny can prove many wrong, then you can say - I told you so. I hope that happens.
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It sounds like we are going to have to wait guys out. Once rosters start filling up and these guys start worrying about just finding a place to play vs how much money they can get, we will probably land a few.
Once we get our NIL setup and decently funded, the hiring of Rob Fulfurd should help us not be so behind like we are this year. I'm still willing to give Corny a couple years to get things settled with the roster.
Makes no sense. So we get a NIL set up to buy a whole new team in 2 years but can't find anyone to pony up enough for a couple guards now?
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Two quick guards capable of putting up 35 PPG between them should make us competitive in the SBC. Not faves but .500 / competitive. Iron out OAK's game and if Fricks can make a few shots this year.
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Those are some no name schools we are competing against. Sounds like we are getting desperate at this point.
I hear you. Does anyone think a D2 private HBC in Jacksonville, Florida is throwing around money for basketball players? According to their Wiki page the school has an endowment of only $1.8 million in 2022. Nothing against the school, just saying it looks like we might have a problem in Huntington. I hope I am wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Waters_University#Centennial_Hall
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In the last month and a half, Corny has recruited harder than Dan did in his last 5 years alone. It's not the same game guys. You sound ridiculous saying you're less confident. Do you know what recruiting is right now? It's not about having time to build relationships, getting to know them, being super confident in their character. It's about $$$$. That's all it is. We have texted/called 100 different guards. Half won't even text back. Their "representative" texts back giving us an amount to get our foot in the door. The situation blows. We're gonna get a couple good guards, that aren't asking for an arm and a leg. It might be this week, it might next week, it might be next month. It is what it is. You wanna change it? Write a check. A big one.
THIS!!! It's not as easy as many forum members make it out to be. Tons of kids out there hearing from tons of different schools. It's nice to at least see on some of the CBB accounts that Marshall is contacting guys. The last 3 years you hardly ever saw any of that. NIL has made it all about money now for those who did not know. For the level of players Marshall gets that probably don't have a professional career ahead; an extra 25K or 50K or whatever is a world of difference from them. Kids don't go to mid major level school's for the name of the program they go for the $.
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For me it is very simple. Corny accepted the job knowing the condition of any NIL money and also as Dans recruiter should have had contacts to get new recruits. His job is to win games and not make excuses.
Some of you are already making excuses because Corny has not don't anything in 2 months to make us think he was a good choice. We should have gone with one of the proven coaches.
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Two quick guards capable of putting up 35 PPG between them should make us competitive in the SBC. Not faves but .500 / competitive. Iron out OAK's game and if Fricks can make a few shots this year.
Hopefully someone can tell Oak that it?s ok to tame it down around the rim on offense. He?s like a center fielder throwing to home when he?s within 5? of the rim.
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Some keep posting that the problem with recruiting is that we don't have the NIL money to give basketball players. Does anyone know how much NIL we gave to Dawson to transfer to Marshall? Are high school recruits expecting NIL money? Did we give NIL money to the two incoming freshmen?
Does anyone how much NIL money the SBC or MAC schools are giving to players since they comparable to Marshall's level? I can understand the power schools throwing money at good players, but I have a hard time believing that mid majors and low majors are throwing large amounts of money at players. A lot of those programs fund their programs off of student fees and don't have good attendance. Are you telling me that all of a sudden these schools are flush with money to give players NIL money?
I do realize that Marshall gave money or cars to players back when Dan played for Marshall so Dan shouldn't have been surprised by NIL. It is just legal now with the NCAA. I realize that aren't as many car dealers in Huntington back when Dan played at Marshall. LOL Huff got some sort of NIL up and running fairly quickly. Why does basketball seemed to be lost when it comes to NIL?
Players can ask for the moon when it comes to asking for big NIL money. But sooner or later they will realize that mid and low majors are not going to give it to them.
I am not trying to be negative. I would just like to see some concrete information on Marshall and NIL. Basketball has always seem to have excuses for not being a better program. The list includes a practice facility; charter flights and now NIL. At some point it might be that the problem is with the coaches?
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Collegiate sports will never be the same. This NHR article shows why. Third school in 4 years and will be making just less than DOUBLE the NBA rookie minimum.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40137329/great-osobor-transferring-washington-big-nil-deals
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I haven't been told that about Touissant, but I haven't asked either.
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For me it is very simple. Corny accepted the job knowing the condition of any NIL money and also as Dans recruiter should have had contacts to get new recruits. His job is to win games and not make excuses.
Some of you are already making excuses because Corny has not don't anything in 2 months to make us think he was a good choice. We should have gone with one of the proven coaches.
Agree and people want it both ways. But what they are saying makes no sense. We keep hearing once the NIL gets up and running next year we will be ok. Really? So we will have money to replace Oak and Martin AND a bunch of new guards but can't find money now just for a couple guards? Either they can come up with enough money for a couple good guards or we are screwed forever trying to build the whole roster every year down the road. If there are enough people willing to throw money at a NIL fund in a year then I'm sure that could find enough people to buy 2 guards now. It will always be excuses from Marshall.
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Agree didn?t shoot much - scored when needed - much tougher competition - better team on - played defense - passed the ball.
Pitts was way better
Anyone that thinks Pitts was sub-par should watch the entirety of the game at Cincinnati when he, basically, beat the Bearcats on his own.
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Collegiate sports will never be the same. This NHR article shows why. Third school in 4 years and will be making just less than DOUBLE the NBA rookie minimum.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/40137329/great-osobor-transferring-washington-big-nil-deals
Correct. As others have posted the power schools are leaving the rest of us behind. I am at the point I don't care anymore. One would be better off just being a pro sports fan. At least the pro teams don't ask you to donate to the program besides buying tickets.
Maybe the the whole problem will sort itself it out in a few years and we can start over. There is no way the SBC and MAC teams will compete with the power schools.
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I haven't been told that about Touissant, but I haven't asked either.
Do t you want to know? Seems pretty important to me if CJ is willing to keep Pruett, Nutter and Braun and then bring back Toussaint. Sounds like more of the same. But maybe they just need a body since they can't find people that will come.
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Some keep posting that the problem with recruiting is that we don't have the NIL money to give basketball players. Does anyone know how much NIL we gave to Dawson to transfer to Marshall? Are high school recruits expecting NIL money? Did we give NIL money to the two incoming freshmen?
Does anyone how much NIL money the SBC or MAC schools are giving to players since they comparable to Marshall's level? I can understand the power schools throwing money at good players, but I have a hard time believing that mid majors and low majors are throwing large amounts of money at players. A lot of those programs fund their programs off of student fees and don't have good attendance. Are you telling me that all of a sudden these schools are flush with money to give players NIL money?
I do realize that Marshall gave money or cars to players back when Dan played for Marshall so Dan shouldn't have been surprised by NIL. It is just legal now with the NCAA. I realize that aren't as many car dealers in Huntington back when Dan played at Marshall. LOL Huff got some sort of NIL up and running fairly quickly. Why does basketball seemed to be lost when it comes to NIL?
Players can ask for the moon when it comes to asking for big NIL money. But sooner or later they will realize that mid and low majors are not going to give it to them.
I am not trying to be negative. I would just like to see some concrete information on Marshall and NIL. Basketball has always seem to have excuses for not being a better program. The list includes a practice facility; charter flights and now NIL. At some point it might be that problem with the coaches?
FT2 - some good questions that I also don't understand (As I am not in the loop) - How does the football team receive 20 plus transfers as well as transfers from WBB, Softball, Baseball and some Olympic sports!! and the Basketball cannot even get a couple guards.... Something is definitely not apples and oranges !! You can throw darts at the administration, at minimal NIL $ or Coaches........
Opinions!!
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IF Toussant were to be brought back, that would mean that either Braun/Pruett would be moving to a walk on spot. We have 2 scholarships to give, and both are going to guards.
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Do t you want to know? Seems pretty important to me if CJ is willing to keep Pruett, Nutter and Braun and then bring back Toussaint. Sounds like more of the same. But maybe they just need a body since they can't find people that will come.
Sometimes it isn't who you have, its more about how you use them. I think Corny will surprise us all, maybe not year one, but we'll be having fun in the CAM again soon, IMHO.
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Unlike many, i have no fomo (fear of missing out) on players who have signed elsewhere. IMO, the G5 programs handing out money will mostly lose on their investments as most G5 leagues are one bid leagues. I still say whoever we end up signing will be comparable to many, if not most, of the guys cashing in on the extortion circuit. Then most of those guys who have decent or better years will be back into the portal again next year. The teams with the best coaches in each league will still be the winners of most of those leagues and at some point many donors will realize that they have better things to do with their money.
Most agree that Huff has done a pretty good job using the portal...at least on paper. What has it gotten us? Finishes below predicted each of last two years. If we are better this year it will likely be do in large part to a new offensive coord. and better scheme.
Thankfully our best program will announce season ticket renewals and schedule this week. Anxious to see who Grassie is able to get on non-conf schedule.
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for me, to sum it up at this point-
all i can do is wait and hope CJ hits two homeruns with the final scholarships for a regular chance to succeed. however, in the face of NIL, i have no clue how significant the 13 scholarships are (except MU right now it seems).
not sure how i feel about Toussaint returning, if true, only because it looks like we might need another big forward (for basic D and as a foul trouble sub) if we can't get any better from the portal- although scorers/guards are a priority.
i've come to grudgingly accept the reality that the schedule may not ever be near as good as we'd like, with few exceptions and rarely, a really good one at home. the norm OOC opponents who are close by, 2 or 3 paydays, 2 or 3 usually good mid majors and a few nobodies who just might embarrass us.
i always expect (with few exceptions) returning players to come off summer better than before. DD (and HIS players) had a less than avg to avg record here which is not acceptable to me. to the point, i want especially to see the seniors and Fricks show us something worthwhile. i expect the newcomers (all players) to, at the least, have fire in their bellies (like Nutter) at all times.
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Sometimes it isn't who you have, its more about how you use them. I think Corny will surprise us all, maybe not year one, but we'll be having fun in the CAM again soon, IMHO.
You always have to have talent.
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https://x.com/TP4PT/status/1790143455164784925
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Toussant is not returning.
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You always have to have talent.
Talented players if stick around long enough have their shining wow time. Talent & work ethic together is unstoppable except for injury and lousy cosching.
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We're visiting with a very talented D1 transfer PG this week. Appears to be reasonable on the NIL front. It's amazing as some/most of these kids are still asking for 75K and above...
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Unlike many, i have no fomo (fear of missing out) on players who have signed elsewhere. IMO, the G5 programs handing out money will mostly lose on their investments as most G5 leagues are one bid leagues. I still say whoever we end up signing will be comparable to many, if not most, of the guys cashing in on the extortion circuit. Then most of those guys who have decent or better years will be back into the portal again next year. The teams with the best coaches in each league will still be the winners of most of those leagues and at some point many donors will realize that they have better things to do with their money.
Most agree that Huff has done a pretty good job using the portal...at least on paper. What has it gotten us? Finishes below predicted each of last two years. If we are better this year it will likely be do in large part to a new offensive coord. and better scheme.
Thankfully our best program will announce season ticket renewals and schedule this week. Anxious to see who Grassie is able to get on non-conf schedule.
Huff may bring many transfers in, BUT MANY are only here for a VERY short time and transfer right back out. Look at the records, it pretty obvious.
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Sometimes it isn't who you have, its more about how you use them. I think Corny will surprise us all, maybe not year one, but we'll be having fun in the CAM again soon, IMHO.
That remains to be seen. So far , I'm seeing two 6-5 brothers that averaged 13 points a game against NAIA comp. Nothe same kind of level in competition.Two guards should be the first thing on his list.He hasn?t proven anything as a recruiter yet, let alone coach.
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That remains to be seen. So far , I'm seeing two 6-5 brothers that averaged 13 points a game against NAIA comp. Nothe same kind of level in competition.Two guards should be the first thing on his list.He hasn?t proven anything as a recruiter yet, let alone coach.
These last 2 spots are going to determine if I get season tickets again. They have to be exciting gets for me to buy again. I think the team can be very competitive if these 2 are difference makers. But I'm not wasting $500 to watch a bad product.
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https://x.com/jakelieberman2/status/1790499239552033170
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These last 2 spots are going to determine if I get season tickets again. They have to be exciting gets for me to buy again. I think the team can be very competitive if these 2 are difference makers. But I'm not wasting $500 to watch a bad product.
Everyone will have to make their own choice, I decided to do all I can by attending when I can to help Corny succeed in years two and three; and if he can, many more years to come. I hope we both get to attend.................
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Everyone will have to make their own choice, I decided to do all I can by attending when I can to help Corny succeed in years two and three; and if he can, many more years to come. I hope we both get to attend.................
Some of you still think you are building teams by saying year 2-3. Year 2 will be tougher than this year. He won't have Oak and Martin to build around. He will basically be recruited an entire team year 2. This is the year he needs to succeed.
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We will be better this year, and I know what I know, but the staff can't wait until years 2 and 3. Our NIL momentum is building, and we're going to have the capability to build our roster in a much different fashion. You can watch from home if you want too, but if I had the chance to get tickets, I would.
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Some of you still think you are building teams by saying year 2-3. Year 2 will be tougher than this year. He won't have Oak and Martin to build around. He will basically be recruited an entire team year 2. This is the year he needs to succeed.
I don't think Obinna and Martin are the prototypes Corny will expect to build a team around, I expect they'll both be mid to bottom tier of the players we'll see in Green and White soon. Don't get me wrong, they both work hard, but they are at best, mid level mid major players.
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I don't think Obinna and Martin are the prototypes Corny will expect to build a team around, I expect they'll both be mid to bottom tier of the players we'll see in Green and White soon. Don't get me wrong, they both work hard, but they are at best, mid level mid major players.
Not saying they are all world. But they are better than anyone he has got so far. We are struggling to get guys period. Talk is cheap!!! I sure hope we do start getting better than those guys.
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We will be better this year, and I know what I know, but the staff can't wait until years 2 and 3. Our NIL momentum is building, and we're going to have the capability to build our roster in a much different fashion. You can watch from home if you want too, but if I had the chance to get tickets, I would.
I have had season tickets for decades until last year when I dropped them. You could see that train wreck coming a mile away. I'll be back if CJ gives me reason to come back. It's simple as that.
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Don't let door hit you.
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Don't let door hit you.
Ok Dan!!!
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I don't think Obinna and Martin are the prototypes Corny will expect to build a team around, I expect they'll both be mid to bottom tier of the players we'll see in Green and White soon. Don't get me wrong, they both work hard, but they are at best, mid level mid major players.
How did you reach that conclusion based on the lack of results we presently see from Corny?
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Have we seen anything in the 2 months of Corny that would make us believe he was the correct choice? We hired an assistant off of a losing team to replace the head coach of the same losing team.
Not one other team would have given Corny the reigns of their program. I wanted to move on but I also hoped the new coach would be similar to Coach Caldwell and energize the team.
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A bright spot is Fulford. The guy's track record is outstanding in recruiting and W/L record.
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Fulford is much more qualified for the HC position. Will he be made coach in waiting?
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Don't let door hit you.
Don?t let the door hit you going in .
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We lack scorers. Needs to come up with 30-40ppg between these last 2 scorers.
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This is a fan board not a non-fan board. If you do not want to get tickets don't. But don't make it an issue with everyone else.
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This is a fan board not a non-fan board. If you do not want to get tickets don't. But don't make it an issue with everyone else.
Some fans don't always swallow what they are fed. Some fans want better and don't just lay down money and accept what they are fed. But we can still be a fan and want better.
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You can be a fan and not be a cheerleader. Fans are allowed to be critical and always should be. Fans want what's best for their team.
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Fulford is much more qualified for the HC position. Will he be made coach in waiting?
That's my thinking. Fulford has the best resume on this staff by far. He may get a shot if Corny doesn't work out.
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i don't get Landon's articles this morning with headline "Does MU hoops need more players?"
seems as if he writing to only people who don't follow Herd hoops or don't know anything about college basketball. of course you fill all 13 scholarships and add a NIL/walk on or two! this is strange behavior even for him.
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i don't get Landon's articles this morning with headline "Does MU hoops need more players?"
seems as if he writing to only people who don't follow Herd hoops or don't know anything about college basketball. of course you fill all 13 scholarships and add a NIL/walk on or two! this is strange behavior even for him.
Or better known as his kind of people.
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We lack scorers. Needs to come up with 30-40ppg between these last 2 scorers.
You do realize most of the time transfers numbers fluctuate based on style of play, minutes played etc... No guarantee that if we get 2 guys who average 18 points a game that they average 18 here and just because a guy averaged 7 somewhere else does not mean he can't get 12 a game here.
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I have had season tickets for decades until last year when I dropped them. You could see that train wreck coming a mile away. I'll be back if CJ gives me reason to come back. It's simple as that.
Turned your back on the program quicker than you changed your narrative on you buddy Dan...incredible stuff
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Bust does not care he is just trying to prove a point.
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FWIW: Pete Moe has signed with D2 Barry.
https://gobarrybucs.com/news/2024/5/15/mens-basketball-adds-d-i-post-transfer-pete-moe.aspx
I know several longtime ticket holders who have dropped/dropping their season basketball tickets. Some have told me that that were taking a wait and see attitude and others are just not happy with the new coach selection process. It is their and money and I don't think it is anyone business what they do with their money.
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Bust does not care he is just trying to prove a point.
Quiet boy this board is for serious posters. Enough of your nonsense!!
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FWIW: Pete Moe has signed with D2 Barry.
https://gobarrybucs.com/news/2024/5/15/mens-basketball-adds-d-i-post-transfer-pete-moe.aspx
I know several longtime ticket holders who have dropped/dropping their season basketball tickets. Some have told me that that were taking a wait and see attitude and others are just not happy with the new coach selection process. It is their and money and I don't think it is anyone business what they do with their money.
Come on FT2, bighead says follow blindly and lay your money down. Personally I hope CJ tears it up and wins about 5 straight SB championships. But up to this point there isn't anything exciting happened. Maybe that will change?
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Turned your back on the program quicker than you changed your narrative on you buddy Dan...incredible stuff
As anyone should have and most did. I gave Dan longer than I should have while he run a kindergarten program. But I even I had had enough. The one thing I will give CJ credit for is he is recruiting harder in one year than Danny did in 10. Now it's whether he can seal the deal.
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Ok Dan!!!
Easy now, bust. It just might be MRS. DAN!!!!
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Have we seen anything in the 2 months of Corny that would make us believe he was the correct choice? We hired an assistant off of a losing team to replace the head coach of the same losing team.
Not one other team would have given Corny the reigns of their program. I wanted to move on but I also hoped the new coach would be similar to Coach Caldwell and energize the team.
Well, if that is true about Corny's hire, then we can all agree that at least MU is remaining CONSISTENT in their Head Coaching hires in Basketball!! A decade ago or thereabouts, NOT one other D1 team would have given Danny D. the head reigns of their program either!!!
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Our PG committed tonight. He's a good one. Should be announced in the coming week.
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Our PG committed tonight. He's a good one. Should be announced in the coming week.
Was he the p5 portal PG that was mentioned earlier in the week?
Thanks
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Our PG committed tonight. He's a good one. Should be announced in the coming week.
Excellent amigo 🎉
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Our PG committed tonight. He's a good one. Should be announced in the coming week.
You say a good one? Can you compare him to someone? I sure hope he is because that is the missing piece to this puzzle. Still think we also need a good scoring guard also and hopefully we get both.
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Excellent news. Anxious to see him officially sign.
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You say a good one? Can you compare him to someone? I sure hope he is because that is the missing piece to this puzzle. Still think we also need a good scoring guard also and hopefully we get both.
I am always interested to see what are the other offers a player has when we sign him. That is usually a good indicator of the player's potential. Sometimes you do get a player that has been overlooked. I gave up on watching highlight films since they are produced to make every player look like an All-American.
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I am always interested to see what are the other offers a player has when we sign him. That is usually a good indicator of the player's potential. Sometimes you do get a player that has been overlooked. I gave up on watching highlight films since they are produced to make every player look like an All-American.
I really hope this kid can play. But why would a P5 PG that was really good step down to a midmajor and less money? Guess we will know soon enough.
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I really hope this kid can play. But why would a P5 PG that was really good step down to a midmajor and less money? Guess we will know soon enough.
Very good question. Eager to see how this kid stacks up. BTW, saw Corny and the staff with a kid at MU Cafe last night. Saw Cline at Yeager Airport yesterday, I assume waiting to pick someone up.
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This guy is a scorer from the PG position. Can guard 94 feet, can shoot it. Exactly what we need. I would look for another guard to be committed/signed in the next week or two.
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This guy is a scorer from the PG position. Can guard 94 feet, can shoot it. Exactly what we need. I would look for another guard to be committed/signed in the next week or two.
Sweet
Go Herd!
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This guy is a scorer from the PG position. Can guard 94 feet, can shoot it. Exactly what we need. I would look for another guard to be committed/signed in the next week or two.
What were his stats? Or was he a higher rated recruit playing behind another high rated recruit at a P5? Thanks!!
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https://x.com/MikeAshley40/status/1791892331446120879
https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/college/uwgb/2024/05/06/former-neenah-star-chevalier-emery-jr-commits-to-uwgb-basketball/73581268007/
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https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/college/uwgb/2024/05/17/uwgb-recruit-emery-jr-enters-portal-but-ruedinger-plans-to-return/73721931007/
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He averaged 18.7 pts a game and 41% from 3 at dodge City Juco.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5106598/chevalier-emery
https://goconqs.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/chevalier--ice--emery/6039
First link is his stats at Merrimack College and the second is from Dodge City CC.
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5106598/chevalier-emery
https://goconqs.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/chevalier--ice--emery/6039
First link is his stats at Merrimack College and the second is from Dodge City CC.
Looks like a great get
Go Herd!
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Looks like he can shoot and score. But it's crucial for our PG to be able to penetrate and create going to the hole. Hopefully he can do that but his tape didn't really show much of that.
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That's not him. He visited but that's not the guy we wanted. The other one that was here yesterday committed. Averaged double figures all 4 years, and shot 39% last year from 3. He's got great bloodlines as dad played LB at Florida.
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That's not him. He visited but that's not the guy we wanted. The other one that was here yesterday committed. Averaged double figures all 4 years, and shot 39% last year from 3. He's got great bloodlines as dad played LB at Florida.
Excited to see our new dude
Go Herd!
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Let?s just keep it a secret and not tell whoever it is
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Is it this dude?
https://x.com/gvospeer/status/1792295222778490889?s=46&t=iHlmyhC-HO22vMBOsTVV-w (https://x.com/gvospeer/status/1792295222778490889?s=46&t=iHlmyhC-HO22vMBOsTVV-w)
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https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4704015/jalen-speer
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Is it this dude?
https://x.com/gvospeer/status/1792295222778490889?s=46&t=iHlmyhC-HO22vMBOsTVV-w (https://x.com/gvospeer/status/1792295222778490889?s=46&t=iHlmyhC-HO22vMBOsTVV-w)
Yes his dad played football at Florida. But I thought we were getting a P5 transfer PG.
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Now get a scoring 2 guard and let's play ball.
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Is it this dude?
https://x.com/gvospeer/status/1792295222778490889?s=46&t=iHlmyhC-HO22vMBOsTVV-w (https://x.com/gvospeer/status/1792295222778490889?s=46&t=iHlmyhC-HO22vMBOsTVV-w)
Yeaboyeeeee 🔥
Go Herd!
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Just read on the WV recruiting site that they had contacted him also. Said he was a talented guard.
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It is a much better upgrade than how we tried to play the point this past season. I will take a guy that scored 15-16 ppg at a lower level of D1. I don't think any one can complain about that. He does seem heady with the ball in the open floor and can find an open man.
I don't know how he can defend. He looks athletic enough to be taught a good defensive system. Only thing I would like to see improve is assist-to-turnover ratio which can happen.
He looks like a real good get for us at a position of high need.
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FWIW: Pete Moe has signed with D2 Barry.
https://gobarrybucs.com/news/2024/5/15/mens-basketball-adds-d-i-post-transfer-pete-moe.aspx
I know several longtime ticket holders who have dropped/dropping their season basketball tickets. Some have told me that that were taking a wait and see attitude and others are just not happy with the new coach selection process. It is their and money and I don't think it is anyone business what they do with their money.
Well. sort of confirms what many have said that DD and staff had recruited too many non D1 caliber players. Wonder if Danny personally recruited, "sealed the deal" with Moe?
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Just read on the WV recruiting site that they had contacted him also. Said he was a talented guard.
https://x.com/JamieShaw5/status/1782934830352568519
This was back in April when he first entered the portal
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Well. sort of confirms what many have said that DD and staff had recruited too many non D1 caliber players. Wonder if Danny personally recruited, "sealed the deal" with Moe?
Does it matter?
Moe was a walk-on that never saw the court last year and was just a practice body.
A lot of things to get upset with Dan regarding scholarships over the years, but Moe wasn't one of them.
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might be the best guard newcomer yet although Dawson could be good and maybe the true FR Moore as a longshot. good assists avg and 3pt % to go along with good scoring avg. noticed he was listed as a grad student on the FL A&M website- does he have just 1 year to play, like Dawson?
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Martin
Obinna
Dawson
Speer
Gibbs
Gibbs
Fricks
Nutter
Moore
Harding
Pruett
Braun
So we have one more scholarship to give. Just from the videos we now have a PG (yay) and think we are more athletic than we were last year especially at the guard and three (which isn't saying much with last year's team). We do not have much depth or experience at the C/F if Obinna or Martin get hurt or foul trouble, but our size wasn't useful last year either.
Think Moore will push for rotational time and be the dark horse for us.
Optimistic for next year, but LOVE that Corny and group is actually out recruiting and trying to improve the team (way too much over the years of not wanting to over recruit to not hurt feelings).
Hopefully our S&C program will be utilized by Corny and we see some built (ex: Fricks, Nutter, Pruett) and not just being able to do a 5K.
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Martin
Obinna
Dawson
Speer
Gibbs
Gibbs
Fricks
Nutter
Moore
Harding
Pruett
Braun
So we have one more scholarship to give. Just from the videos we now have a PG (yay) and think we are more athletic than we were last year especially at the guard and three (which isn't saying much with last year's team). We do not have much depth or experience at the C/F if Obinna or Martin get hurt or foul trouble, but our size wasn't useful last year either.
Think Moore will push for rotational time and be the dark horse for us.
Optimistic for next year, but LOVE that Corny and group is actually out recruiting and trying to improve the team (way too much over the years of not wanting to over recruit to not hurt feelings).
Hopefully our S&C program will be utilized by Corny and we see some built (ex: Fricks, Nutter, Pruett) and not just being able to do a 5K.
Great post and very accurate.
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We have 2 more visitors set for early this coming week. Wednesday starts the dead period, so it's hopeful we can get a commitment early on this week. Go Herd.
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Be nice to have (3) scholarships to give
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So imo the starting lineup may look like this
Martin
Obinna
Dawson or one of the Gibbs
?? Hopefully a player to be naned
Speer
First off bench
Either both Gibbs or one Gibbs and Dawson
Fricks
Nutter
Moore
I think Corny will put a much better defensive team on the floor. Not only because he is recruiting quickness and athletes but he has already said he wants to tighten it up and get up in their grill more. Offensively I think Martin is a very solid player. If Corny can get Obinna to reign in his game and play more inside 10-12 feet he will be a much better player. And hopefully the new kids like to attack the rim aggressively while still playing the same spread offense. I honestly think Corny sees what a lot of fans saw. And that is Danny's offense is very good if there are some areas of does and don't instead of just letting them play completely how they want. Get one more good scoring guard and we can be very competitive in the SB.
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Well. sort of confirms what many have said that DD and staff had recruited too many non D1 caliber players. Wonder if Danny personally recruited, "sealed the deal" with Moe?
Moe was a walk on so....there is plenty to criticize DD recruiting but I don't think we need to go into walk ons. Silly
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I'd like to see Corny get a quick, scoring combo guard for the last scholarship. Then if another scholarship opens up, get best available player.
Hiring a top recruiting assistant and landing a good PG is a big step forward.
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We need some more scoring in general and yes a decent guard will help with that. Call me crazy but I do not think we are that far off from a tourney team, if things start clicking a bit more and Jackson is as good as we hope he can be; he has the knowledge.
Also on a side note here: First post and very happy to be here! Master's degree from Marshall back in 2014 and love being part of the Herd. Also a special education teacher.
Lastly, I see some posters have their own avatar. How do I go about getting one of my own? Have to contribute monetarily to the site? Apologies if missed it anywhere.
Thanks!
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We need some more scoring in general and yes a decent guard will help with that. Call me crazy but I do not think we are that far off from a tourney team, if things start clicking a bit more and Jackson is as good as we hope he can be; he has the knowledge.
Also on a side note here: First post and very happy to be here! Master's degree from Marshall back in 2014 and love being part of the Herd. Also a special education teacher.
Lastly, I see some posters have their own avatar. How do I go about getting one of my own? Have to contribute monetarily to the site? Apologies if missed it anywhere.
Thanks!
Welcome! Great to see new posters coming on and contributing. I don't know about the avatar but access to the premium board here is only $12/year.
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We need some more scoring in general and yes a decent guard will help with that. Call me crazy but I do not think we are that far off from a tourney team, if things start clicking a bit more and Jackson is as good as we hope he can be; he has the knowledge.
Also on a side note here: First post and very happy to be here! Master's degree from Marshall back in 2014 and love being part of the Herd. Also a special education teacher.
Lastly, I see some posters have their own avatar. How do I go about getting one of my own? Have to contribute monetarily to the site? Apologies if missed it anywhere.
Thanks!
If we land a great combo guard I think we can contend for Sun Belt title.
Anyone know if Corny has implemented a new strength and conditioning program? Mandatory film sessions? Mandatory shooting and free throw practice?
If we make those changes and play better D we can contend this year imo
Go Herd!
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i've seen figure$ suggesting 40, 50, 60K average pay to transfers. how much are the Herd NIL contributors paying Speer?
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i've seen figure$ suggesting 40, 50, 60K average pay to transfers. how much are the Herd NIL contributors paying Speer?
With those collective groups being private and not required to release details....
(https://media.tenor.com/ctaNwo32sYkAAAAe/theworldmayneverknow-idk.png)
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Guys, we watch film and have watched film almost every day. Practice and game film. Watching film has not been the issue. Lack of depth, and lack of athletic talent has been. Recruiting guys that can actually shoot the basketball, instead of trying to turn kids into shooters.
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Martaz Robinson still out there? Nearly 17ppg & 7+ boards a game as a guard. Physical guard.
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it's one thing to be positive. it's entirely another to suggest we'll win the SBC or be a tourney team without even seeing the final roster, or seeing a game! in any other walk of life, that what's called emotionally unstable, wish washy, flip flopping or flat out, insane.
hope our last scholarship and potential walk-on/NIL spots are winners
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Guys, we watch film and have watched film almost every day. Practice and game film. Watching film has not been the issue. Lack of depth, and lack of athletic talent has been. Recruiting guys that can actually shoot the basketball, instead of trying to turn kids into shooters.
Cool
Strength program has been terrible. Plain to see over the DD tenure.
Go Herd!
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If we land a great combo guard I think we can contend for Sun Belt title.
Anyone know if Corny has implemented a new strength and conditioning program? Mandatory film sessions? Mandatory shooting and free throw practice?
If we make those changes and play better D we can contend this year imo
Go Herd!
As 222 said film and shooting practice wasn't the problem. They probably put up more shots than any team in the country. But you have to recruit to your style and Danny didn't do that. Some of his recruits were total head scratchers. If Danny got a kid on his mind he wanted then there was no changing his mind no matter how bad the kid was. And if he got in his mind he didn't want a kid then there was no changing his mind no matter how good the kid was. At least Corny isn't going after kids that are just slow and skinny anymore. And I'm very interested how we look defensively and how involved he is coaching on game days. Corny has a lot of experience. He has learned a lot from Danny's offensive spreading and movement (Dans good part) and he was under Gary waters who was a defensive coach.
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Recruiting guys that can actually shoot the basketball, instead of trying to turn kids into shooters.
That cannot be the case. We have heard over the last several seasons that we always have the best shooting teams and they do not miss shots in practice by Dan, his supporters and ole Chucky boy.
Haha
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Speer was very affordable. Apparently he's very grateful for the opportunity to come to MU. Really wanted to be out of the HBCU environment.
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Speer was very affordable. Apparently he's very grateful for the opportunity to come to MU. Really wanted to be out of the HBCU environment.
Sweet!
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https://x.com/MarshallTBlog/status/1792527217282388167
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Speer was very affordable. Apparently he's very grateful for the opportunity to come to MU. Really wanted to be out of the HBCU environment.
Fantastic!Glad for the young man and us, seems like he fits in nicely with what Jackson wants to do. Also, he will want to prove a point.
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Thanks, Bison. Didn't realize that fact regarding Moe..
But it does reinforce the argument that DD was overall a POOR evaluator of "TALENT", whether it was scholarship, walk-ons, or whatever!!
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We have 2 more visitors set for early this coming week. Wednesday starts the dead period, so it's hopeful we can get a commitment early on this week. Go Herd.
Did the visitors make it to Huntington?
Thanks!
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I think Marshall fans will be surprised at the freshman, Moore coming from the Atlanta area. I would be surprised if he doesn?t see meaningful minutes. Needs to get in the weight room, but he is extremely athletic and can stroke it from 3.
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I think Marshall fans will be surprised at the freshman, Moore coming from the Atlanta area. I would be surprised if he doesn?t see meaningful minutes. Needs to get in the weight room, but he is extremely athletic and can stroke it from 3.
I think Moore will be a very good player. Harding not so much imo.
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At least it looks like we are bringing in stronger more athletic players.
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One of our visitors has some Canadian flavor...
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It's gonna take Harding a year I believe, but he's gonna end up really helping us down the line. Strong kid who is going to get stronger, and loves to compete, which is a huge attribute to have as a big. Most of the time, "motor" is the main question with bigs...
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Speer was very affordable. Apparently he's very grateful for the opportunity to come to MU. Really wanted to be out of the HBCU environment.
Wanting to be out of the HBCU environment had nothing to do with his decision. A friend who is an alum and BB fan told me that the coach was fired after several lousy seasons and it was the perfect time for a change. I hope he works out for the Herd.
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Wanting to be out of the HBCU environment had nothing to do with his decision. A friend who is an alum and BB fan told me that the coach was fired after several lousy seasons and it was the perfect time for a change. I hope he works out for the Herd.
Yeah, he actually left Florida A&M for a year and went to Santa Fe Junior College. He then came back to Florida A&M for last season.
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I promise you, wanting to be out of the HBCU environment had much to do with the decision. They fired their coach, but hired Patrick Crarey, who is an upgrade. "I have to get out of the HBCU world." Kid could play a ton of places. Glad we got him.
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Wanting to be out of the HBCU environment had nothing to do with his decision. A friend who is an alum and BB fan told me that the coach was fired after several lousy seasons and it was the perfect time for a change. I hope he works out for the Herd.
Correct. FAMU was 6-23 overall and in next to last place in SWAC at 4-14. The coach was let go and was 67-133 overall at FAMU.
Per the article in the below link: "FAMU conducted a nationwide search to land Crarey with the help of a five-person search committee that included Rattlers guard Jalen Speer." You have to wonder what were Speer's thoughts were on the hiring of the new FAMU coach? Interesting to say the least that Speer bailed on the new coach. FAMU best player had also entered the portal after the coach was fired.
'I'm here to win': Patrick Crarey II has clear vision for FAMU's men's basketball program
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/famu/2024/04/18/famu-basketball-new-rattlers-mens-head-coach-crarey-here-to-win/73364614007/
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It's gonna take Harding a year I believe, but he's gonna end up really helping us down the line. Strong kid who is going to get stronger, and loves to compete, which is a huge attribute to have as a big. Most of the time, "motor" is the main question with bigs...
I hope you are correct but I just don't see him being much more than a Goran. Coordination just isn't there imo.
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One of our visitors has some Canadian flavor...
VaSean Allette from ODU?
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VaSean Allette from ODU?
I wish!!! That kid can play.
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VaSean Allette from ODU?
Man that would be killer
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Man that would be killer
Didn't ODU release him because of behavior detrimental to the team or something like that? Not saying he isn't a good player, but would like to know what that behavior was just for our own sakes.
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Didn't ODU release him because of behavior detrimental to the team or something like that? Not saying he isn't a good player, but would like to know what that behavior was just for our own sakes.
I believe in second chances. And I'm tired of the choir boy basketball team. We have seen how that worked.
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Didn't ODU release him because of behavior detrimental to the team or something like that? Not saying he isn't a good player, but would like to know what that behavior was just for our own sakes.
From what I could find online, he was pretty much just a continuous jerk. Not sure if there's more to the story than that. Granted, when your team is poor, your head coach has a medical emergency and doesn't return, you're a freshman a long way from home, easy to see why you might be frustrated.
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Here is a list of Canadian potential transfers.
https://basketballbuzz.ca/ncaa/2024-canadian-ncaa-transfer-portal/amp/
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Isn't Josiah Davis from Canada....played at Teays Valley Christian.....before heading to WVU & Tennessee Tech?
He was in the portal. I haven't had time to follow every thing lately. My money it is him......not that it matters.
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Here is a list of Canadian potential transfers.
https://basketballbuzz.ca/ncaa/2024-canadian-ncaa-transfer-portal/amp/
Vasean Allette - Uncommitted
Frank Mitchell - Minnesota
Nana Owusu - Withdrew
Hasan Abdul-Hakim - Withdrew
Migel Tomley - Weber State
Elijah Fisher - Pacific
Kobe Elvis - Oklahoma
Dominic Parolin - Uncommitted
Markus Harding - Indiana State
Brayden O?Connor - George Mason
Enoch Boakye - Uncommitted
Jefferson De La Cruz Monegro - Valpo
DJ Jackson - Uncommitted
Josh Morgan - Stonehill
Josh Omojafo - Robert Morris
Mike Nwoko - Mississippi State
Aden Holloway - Alabama
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Isn't Josiah Davis from Canada....played at Teays Valley Christian.....before heading to WVU & Tennessee Tech?
He was in the portal. I haven't had time to follow every thing lately. My money it is him......not that it matters.
Yes, he is, but he committed to Niagara last week.
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Vasean Allette - Uncommitted
Frank Mitchell - Minnesota
Nana Owusu - Withdrew
Hasan Abdul-Hakim - Withdrew
Migel Tomley - Weber State
Elijah Fisher - Pacific
Kobe Elvis - Oklahoma
Dominic Parolin - Uncommitted
Markus Harding - Indiana State
Brayden O?Connor - George Mason
Enoch Boakye - Uncommitted
Jefferson De La Cruz Monegro - Valpo
DJ Jackson - Uncommitted
Josh Morgan - Stonehill
Josh Omojafo - Robert Morris
Mike Nwoko - Mississippi State
Aden Holloway - Alabama
Haven't went through, but see Corny is following DJ Jackson.
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None of those guys. This is a 4 star kid. Would be a monster get.
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None of those guys. This is a 4 star kid. Would be a monster get.
We have a decent shot or is it a long shot?
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Been on him for awhile. I'd guess 50/50.
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Been on him for awhile. I'd guess 50/50.
Fingers crossed man
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If Corny gets this guy, he wraps up recruiting with a bang!
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If HERD is going to go places in basketball, SBC and postseason wise, going to have to beat out comparable teams, SBC, MAC, CUSA, and perhaps higher, enough times in recruiting battles to get where it, and its fans, want to go. Beating out one legit team, like SO Con perennial power Chattanooga, and a bunch of "Who Dat" schools for a recruit isn't going to be enough, IMO!!
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If HERD is going to go places in basketball, SBC and postseason wise, going to have to beat out comparable teams, SBC, MAC, CUSA, and perhaps higher, enough times in recruiting battles to get where it, and its fans, want to go. Beating out one legit team, like SO Con perennial power Chattanooga, and a bunch of "Who Dat" schools for a recruit isn't going to be enough, IMO!!
Are Mississippi State, Georgia, and Arkansas good enough schools to beat out? Because if this is the same HS PG who I heard was on campus, those are some of the schools we?d beat out if we land him.
I can?t divulge a name right now, but let?s just say if anyone here is a fan of the Jaguars, they?ll get a kick out of his name.
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If HERD is going to go places in basketball, SBC and postseason wise, going to have to beat out comparable teams, SBC, MAC, CUSA, and perhaps higher, enough times in recruiting battles to get where it, and its fans, want to go. Beating out one legit team, like SO Con perennial power Chattanooga, and a bunch of "Who Dat" schools for a recruit isn't going to be enough, IMO!!
I think that's easier said than done. The Herd are on a similar level with a lot of other mid major schools as far as basketball and really any sport when it comes to getting decent recruits. Yes success will help with that, but in todays college landscape there is the NIL aspects of it and kids coming out off High School and/or the transfer portal want to win yes but also will go with who gives them the most money, that's just the reality of it.
We just need to string together a few winning seasons in a row, make any kind of postseason tbh even if just the NIT, and then build from there.
Not impossible for us to creep up to the top of the SBC, not exactly a basketball powerhouse overall, but will take time.
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Are Mississippi State, Georgia, and Arkansas good enough schools to beat out? Because if this is the same HS PG who I heard was on campus, those are some of the schools we?d beat out if we land him.
I can?t divulge a name right now, but let?s just say if anyone here is a fan of the Jaguars, they?ll get a kick out of his name.
Did you hear how the visit went?
Fingers crossed
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Speer has 1 yr to play?
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Speer has 1 yr to play?
According to his Tweets, yes 1 year left.
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Are Mississippi State, Georgia, and Arkansas good enough schools to beat out? Because if this is the same HS PG who I heard was on campus, those are some of the schools we?d beat out if we land him.
I can?t divulge a name right now, but let?s just say if anyone here is a fan of the Jaguars, they?ll get a kick out of his name.
If he?s Canadian, we can compete more with the SEC schools for that player because NIL is not a factor.
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CJ will have a bunch of scholarships to fill after this year. All starters might be seniors plus 6th man.
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If he?s Canadian, we can compete more with the SEC schools for that player because NIL is not a factor.
why is that?
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why is that?
Visa regulations. Applies to any non-US player here on a visa.
I know the recent past has left a bitter taste about taking Europeans, but if our NIL money isn?t enough, that may be a place to recruit.
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This kid isn't Canadian. I said he brings Canadian flavor, as he transferred to a Canadian high school to finish his career.
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This kid isn't Canadian. I said he brings Canadian flavor, as he transferred to a Canadian high school to finish his career.
Two visitors yesterday?
How we feeling?
Thanks!
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Did you hear how the visit went?
Fingers crossed
I heard it went well, he was posting stuff on Instagram last night about being here, so I feel comfortable disclosing the name, it?s Elijah Duval, 247 ranks him as the #177 player in the class.
He did also pick up offers from CoC and URI this weekend per his Twitter, so we?re not out of the woods yet.
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I heard it went well, he was posting stuff on Instagram last night about being here, so I feel comfortable disclosing the name, it?s Elijah Duval, 247 ranks him as the #177 player in the class.
He did also pick up offers from CoC and URI this weekend per his Twitter, so we?re not out of the woods yet.
He has offers from MTSU; FGCU; Bethune Cookman; Cal State Bakersfield; Arkansas per 247 Sports. Rivals lists Ohio U; FAU; Arkansas; Marshall and Miss State. Both sites have him listed as a 3 Star recruit.
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/elijah-duval-s-star-is-on-the-rise
https://247sports.com/recruitment/elijah-duval-149159/recruitinterests/
He plays high school basketball in Stuart, FL just down the road from where I live in Florida.
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He transferred to a school in Canada. I believe the big boy offers aren't there anymore (SEC). He was debating prep school, and then he recently added Rhode Island and C of C offers.
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He transferred to a school in Canada. I believe the big boy offers aren't there anymore (SEC). He was debating prep school, and then he recently added Rhode Island and C of C offers.
I didn't catch the fact that he played in Stuart last year. Below is a link about him from January 24, 2023 in his junior year where he scored 48 points in a game.
https://www.wpbf.com/article/martin-countys-elijah-duval-turning-heads-after-48-point-performance/42626660
If he is as good advertised, I am afraid he will do the portal if he has a good season at Marshall. That is appears to be the new normal in college basketball.
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I heard it went well, he was posting stuff on Instagram last night about being here, so I feel comfortable disclosing the name, it?s Elijah Duval, 247 ranks him as the #177 player in the class.
He did also pick up offers from CoC and URI this weekend per his Twitter, so we?re not out of the woods yet.
That's who I thought it was
Would be a fantastic get for us
Hopefully Corny and Fulford can land him
Go Herd!
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Charles Jones was from Stuart Fla.
TRS
MU 71
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Vasean Allette - Uncommitted
Frank Mitchell - Minnesota
Nana Owusu - Withdrew
Hasan Abdul-Hakim - Withdrew
Migel Tomley - Weber State
Elijah Fisher - Pacific
Kobe Elvis - Oklahoma
Dominic Parolin - Uncommitted
Markus Harding - Indiana State
Brayden O?Connor - George Mason
Enoch Boakye - Uncommitted
Jefferson De La Cruz Monegro - Valpo
DJ Jackson - Uncommitted
Josh Morgan - Stonehill
Josh Omojafo - Robert Morris
Mike Nwoko - Mississippi State
Aden Holloway - Alabama
Allette committed to TCU today. Heh.
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Duvall didn't commit on his visit correct?
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No matter what, with the landscape is where it is, if anyone has a solid year at a mid-major like Marshall....the big boys with the $$$$ are coming. Nothing we can do but hope we can sweeten the pot enough to persuade a kid to stay another year. The idea of getting a really good kid to stay 4 years, well that's going to be really tough.
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No matter what, with the landscape is where it is, if anyone has a solid year at a mid-major like Marshall....the big boys with the $$$$ are coming. Nothing we can do but hope we can sweeten the pot enough to persuade a kid to stay another year. The idea of getting a really good kid to stay 4 years, well that's going to be really tough.
That mindset of having players here for 4 years should have left when Dan was canned.
Until things change, just have to build for the upcoming year and upcoming year only.
Have to be prepared if someone has a good year a P4 is calling. Can't mope around anymore blaming failures that so and so isn't here (like we heard all last season).
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If we can get this kid for one year I'll take it. Dan would have never even tried to get him. At least Corny is working his tail off and beating the bushes. That is all you can ask.
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That mindset of having players here for 4 years should have left when Dan was canned.
Until things change, just have to build for the upcoming year and upcoming year only.
Have to be prepared if someone has a good year a P4 is calling. Can't mope around anymore blaming failures that so and so isn't here (like we heard all last season).
100%
Have to recruit all over again each season
Go Herd!
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If we can get this kid for one year I'll take it. Dan would have never even tried to get him. At least Corny is working his tail off and beating the bushes. That is all you can ask.
Exactly, just need to get better each and every season in any way that we can. I think Jackson is going to be a good HC, Herd National just needs to give the dude time.
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I have had season tickets for decades until last year when I dropped them. You could see that train wreck coming a mile away. I'll be back if CJ gives me reason to come back. It's simple as that.
I myself would love to see you at a game mr porter
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I myself would love to see you at a game mr porter
Don't even know what that means.
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If we can get this kid for one year I'll take it. Dan would have never even tried to get him. At least Corny is working his tail off and beating the bushes. That is all you can ask.
Unfortunately, could be wrong but i think the longer it goes without him signing. The tougher it will be for us to land this guy. I hope i?m wrong.
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Unfortunately, could be wrong but i think the longer it goes without him signing. The tougher it will be for us to land this guy. I hope i?m wrong.
If Duval didn't commit on his visit we're probably not gonna land him
C'est la vie
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What we already knew, but at least it is out there he was on an official visit
https://x.com/recruitszone/status/1793748115302011296
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So is Duval a class 2024 recruit or in class 2025?
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He's a 2024 kid.
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So is Duval a class 2024 recruit or in class 2025?
Believe it was said earlier, he is possibly looking at going to a prep school and if that is the case, he would be re-classified as a 2025 recruit.
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https://x.com/MikeAshley40/status/1791892331446120879
https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/college/uwgb/2024/05/06/former-neenah-star-chevalier-emery-jr-commits-to-uwgb-basketball/73581268007/
Committed to Western Carolina
https://x.com/KyleMalzhan/status/1793707555858092309
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Committed to Western Carolina
https://x.com/KyleMalzhan/status/1793707555858092309
Losing kids to Western Carolina????? Wow.
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Losing kids to Western Carolina????? Wow.
I think a poster said the Herd took Jalen Speer instead of the WCU commit.
Is the rumor about a silent commit for bball correct? Heard the recruit wanted to wait to announce it or something along that line. Only thing is the rumor didn't mention name, position or what level of play(high school, juco or transfer). Or it could be said rumor recruit might be waiting for a better offer and is hedging the offer.