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The place to talk Marshall University sports! => HerdFans => Topic started by: jdonaccbus on April 22, 2024, 05:15:33 PM
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He is transferring from Akron. Good defender.
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Better get better players than this. 28% from 3 and 35% from FT line. 21 minutes a game and avg 5 pts.
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Glad when anyone chooses MU so welcome. Corny needs to step it up and also find some immediate difference makers.
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He averaged 5.3 PPG this season. No offense, but he doesn't appear to an offensive threat? We do need players since we only have to two returning starters and no beach.
One good thing about Dawson he has some size if the stats are correct. He is listed 6'5" and 222 pounds. At least he has strength unlike some of the skinny players we have on the roster.
GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
2023-2024 35 21.0 33.2 28.8 38.5 2.5 0.7 0.1 0.8 1.7 0.9 5.3
2021-2022 34 24.3 38.8 36.0 68.6 3.4 0.8 0.1 1.0 1.8 0.7 5.9
2020-2021 23 13.2 42.0 32.3 76.9 2.2 0.6 0.0 0.4 1.1 0.4 4.3
2019-2020 17 4.4 16.7 0.0 50.0 0.9 0.1 0.1 0.1 0.5 0.4 0.4
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4609661/mikal-dawson
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Role player. Not a difference maker that we need. We need a dynamic PG like Ben Hammond and 2-3 more athletic scoring guard/wing players. It's a must to be successful.
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This board is miserable. I regret it every time I?m here, which is less and less. We should all know by now that it?s about fit and system and not all about stats. Please give Corny and this process a chance.
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He is transferring from Akron. Good defender.
I'm excited he's coming home
Hopefully can step up his game at Marshall
Go Herd!
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https://x.com/LukeCreasy/status/1782519268208157188
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How can any basketball player middle school or above just make 38% at the free throw line if they aren?t blindfolded?
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Not an offensive threat, but looks like a decent defender. Personally like the pickup, he is just 1 piece to a very messed up puzzle. Welcome and go Herd!
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Why is he a good defender?
10-12 ppg would be nice from him.
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He will be a decent pick up if we bring in good starters at the 1-2-3 spots. Good role player and athletic. And thundering says you have to look at the fit. Well Corny says he will keep Danny's system and tweak a few things. So the 3 will still be very important. 28% from 3 won't fit the system and 38% from the FT line will keep him out of the game in the last 5 minutes. Other than athletic and maybe defense where is the fit? I hope he does great but this isn't a difference maker.
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he was a class of 2019 player so does he have just one year to play (2 at the most)? i guess he might balance out the classes somewhat not that it really matters anymore but it seems to matter to coaches for some reason. i guess i should be glad to get anybody at this stage. he seems to have gotten worse as the years progressed but there may be valid reasons why
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Said sarcastically ... way to go Corny one add and you have already screwed up!!!
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Said sarcastically ... way to go Corny one add and you have already screwed up!!!
Well maybe you and thundering can tell us why we should be so excited? I would love for him to be all SB next year. But he came from another midmajor just like e are and averaged 5 points and had an awful shooting year. I don't even know how you can shoot 38% from the FT line. But I'm listening and maybe I'm missing something. Fire away please!!!
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I don?t care what his percentage from 3 is. If he can play defense and willing to drive to the basket then I will be happy.
Looks like a good pickup to me.
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Didn't Akron get a couple of WVU transfers? Maybe that is why Dawson chose to transfer out.
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I don?t care what his percentage from 3 is. If he can play defense and willing to drive to the basket then I will be happy.
Looks like a good pickup to me.
Personally I would love to watch a great defensive team over all offense any day. I mean really good D. A team that all 5 guys work together and lock teams up and in their grill. Make it hard to even get a pass off much less a shot. I love watching that.
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Why is he a good defender?
10-12 ppg would be nice from him.
Videos I saw, he moves laterally very well, great width and chases people off the 3 point line.
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Here is a detailed link about last season. These are the stats and you judge for yourself. I am guessing he will add depth to the team which is a great need at this point. I like his size so maybe he can bang the boards, which was a real weakness last year.
Per the Akron website, he didn't play in 2022-2023 season due an injury. From the 23-23 season he was 66-199 .332% from the 2 point range and he was 249-170 .288% from the 3 point range (average 5.3 ppg). He started 13 games this year. He averaged 2.5 rebounds had 30 turnovers and 28 steals for the season.
https://gozips.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/mikal-dawson/8608
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Here is a detailed link about last season. These are the stats and you judge for yourself. I am guessing he will add depth to the team which is a great need at this point. I like his size so maybe he can bang the boards, which was a real weakness last year.
Per the Akron website, he didn't play in 2022-2023 season due an injury. From the 23-23 season he was 66-199 .332% from the 2 point range and he was 249-170 .288% from the 3 point range (average 5.3 ppg). He started 13 games this year. He averaged 2.5 rebounds had 30 turnovers and 28 steals for the season.
https://gozips.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/mikal-dawson/8608
As many contractors will attest, there is a shortage of brick masons in the area.
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Welcome home! Hopefully he'll be a contributor in some way and not be referenced as one heckuva soccer cheerleader.
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Speaking of former Huntington High basketball players, anyone see watch Mikey Johnson play? He's a 6-3 combo guard who is very athletic from what I've read. I haven't seen him play, so I don't know if he's a D-1 player.
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I don't know anything about Dawson however I hope Corny is not in a scramble mode signing any players (panic of portal deadline)
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I don?t care what his percentage from 3 is. If he can play defense and willing to drive to the basket then I will be happy.
Looks like a good pickup to me.
Unfortunately, I beg to differ, underwhelmed with Corny's first addition.
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He's a solid player coming home. I don't read or expect anything more than that
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Speaking of former Huntington High basketball players, anyone see watch Mikey Johnson play? He's a 6-3 combo guard who is very athletic from what I've read. I haven't seen him play, so I don't know if he's a D-1 player.
I saw Mikey on a few occasions this past year. Not sure about his offers. I can tell you I'd take him over the likes of Braun, Nutter, Pruett and company. We don't have to look very far to find better guard play off the bench than that
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Boys, don't expect much right off. Even the neighboring schools from the lowly MAC are offering $80,000 per player in NIL money. We can't compete with that. Only about half of that figure is what we can do. It's a whole new world out there -- even at first contact, players are demanding how much we can pay; all of the better ones now have agents.
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Boys, don't expect much right off. Even the neighboring schools from the lowly MAC are offering $80,000 per player in NIL money. We can't compete with that. Only about half of that figure is what we can do. It's a whole new world out there -- even at first contact, players are demanding how much we can pay; all of the better ones now have agents.
That is a defeatist attitude. I am sure there is NIL money but there are thousands in the portal and Corny should be able to find some quality additions. We are not seeing a fast start from him in securing a couple of the 3000 guys in the portal.
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Boys, don't expect much right off. Even the neighboring schools from the lowly MAC are offering $80,000 per player in NIL money. We can't compete with that. Only about half of that figure is what we can do. It's a whole new world out there -- even at first contact, players are demanding how much we can pay; all of the better ones now have agents.
DD really set Corny up for success with his fundraising
😂😂😂
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DD really set Corny up for success with his fundraising
😂😂😂
Well Dan now has a fancy new title of Ambassador which a portion of his new role to be fundraising.
We are 2 years behind in nil structure for the bball team, because some thought it was just a fad or players didn't deserve nil until they had been here for at least a couple of years.
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Boys, don't expect much right off. Even the neighboring schools from the lowly MAC are offering $80,000 per player in NIL money. We can't compete with that. Only about half of that figure is what we can do. It's a whole new world out there -- even at first contact, players are demanding how much we can pay; all of the better ones now have agents.
You sure we don?t have the money? Heard there was an influx of cash into the nil fund for bball.
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Welcome Home Mr. Dawson.
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We always open the chip bags from the bottom rather than the top. It?s much easier to go straight for the crumbs
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This board is miserable. I regret it every time I?m here, which is less and less. We should all know by now that it?s about fit and system and not all about stats. Please give Corny and this process a chance.
If all you want to see is the same opinions as your own, then why would you need to come here at all?
We just had 10 years of "fit and system." Frankly, I'd rather see some stats. Stats can do some things when systems break down.
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Rotation player hopefully like what Rondale Watson gave us. Corny needs to difference makers. Dawson should be able to give some good minutes.
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Boys, don't expect much right off. Even the neighboring schools from the lowly MAC are offering $80,000 per player in NIL money. We can't compete with that. Only about half of that figure is what we can do. It's a whole new world out there -- even at first contact, players are demanding how much we can pay; all of the better ones now have agents.
Probably true but I would stay away from those kids just looking for bribes. I suspect most will find out there is little market for their services and then settle. I wouldn't want most of those kids on my team as they may be more likely to be bitter and not good teammates. Give a kid $80k to come and there is nothing to keep them from looking for a bribe somewhere else next season. You're never going to out bribe the bigger schools. Can't wait until one of these prized players is offered $100k to fumble the ball in a big game. What's the difference? My thought is plenty of players out there looking for a legit chance to play in a different system etc. I would, however, work on a bonus structure for players when they win championships etc. Thinking outside the box is going to be required. Just raising more money for bribes isn't going to get you very far IMO.
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Probably true but I would stay away from those kids just looking for bribes. I suspect most will find out there is little market for their services and then settle. I wouldn't want most of those kids on my team as they may be more likely to be bitter and not good teammates. Give a kid $80k to come and there is nothing to keep them from looking for a bribe somewhere else next season. You're never going to out bribe the bigger schools. Can't wait until one of these prized players is offered $100k to fumble the ball in a big game. What's the difference? My thought is plenty of players out there looking for a legit chance to play in a different system etc. I would, however, work on a bonus structure for players when they win championships etc. Thinking outside the box is going to be required. Just raising more money for bribes isn't going to get you very far IMO.
Agree and another thing. Corny may have the right approach just not trying to sign anyone. There are so many in the portal that it's crazy. Not counting Jucos. Wait long enough and some of these kids will become more eager to commit. Just keep recruiting and reaching out and it will come together.
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It does make sense that there are so many players in the portal that all of them will not be able to find a home. There will be some that will be trying to find a home at the last minute. Whether its more money or location change, I imagine there will be several that have a tough time finding a new home. Seems like a crazy way to have to run a program!
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MIKE D!!! Super athlete with a high motor. Don't look at the stats as they don't always show the whole picture. Some players just make the team better by being on the floor and Mike will do that. Will be the one one of the best athletes on the floor every night in the SBC. Strong very good defender and should be able to guard 1-4. High basketball IQ as well
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Dawson will be a Rondale Watson clone. High energy kid, who will bring an immediate toughness that we didn't have. High level athlete (which he didnt have) who plays fearless. He's been to the NCAA tournament and comes from a program with a winning culture. I'd look for his shooting percentage to improve. Two years ago he shot 36% from three. If he can get to 34-35%, thats a win. Really like this signing.
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I do like his size. 6'5" 225. I just hope he can improve especially FT%. Hard to have a kid in at end of the game that can't shoot FTs. But we do need defense and toughness for sure. Martin plays hard and if they can get Obinna to be more physical and tough around the paint instead of camping out around the perimeter those things alone will be huge. Now get a true crafty athletic PG and some high motor slashers and let's play ball.
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Dawson will be a Rondale Watson clone. High energy kid, who will bring an immediate toughness that we didn't have. High level athlete (which he didnt have) who plays fearless. He's been to the NCAA tournament and comes from a program with a winning culture. I'd look for his shooting percentage to improve. Two years ago he shot 36% from three. If he can get to 34-35%, thats a win. Really like this signing.
Love a Rondale clone when he's your 8th best guy. I'm sure all of our concerns are more about what we have at 1-7.
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MIKE D!!! Super athlete with a high motor. Don't look at the stats as they don't always show the whole picture. Some players just make the team better by being on the floor and Mike will do that. Will be the one one of the best athletes on the floor every night in the SBC. Strong very good defender and should be able to guard 1-4. High basketball IQ as well
Where did you come up with all these superlatives, don't look at the stats. Really?
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Why is he considered great at defense? Not much rebounds or steals going on. Trying to understand.
He does carry good weight for 6.5! Also tournament / winning team culture is a plus. Hopefully we have a bunch more scholarships to give.
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Give a kid $80k to come and there is nothing to keep them from looking for a bribe somewhere else next season. You're never going to out bribe the bigger schools. Can't wait until one of these prized players is offered $100k to fumble the ball in a big game. What's the difference?
There's a major difference. The former has never been a crime even when it was against NCAA rules. The latter is a felony that would land the person offering the $100K in federal prison.
There have been point shaving scandals in college sports going back at least 75 years. Saying that NIL will make it more likely doesn't make any sense. In fact, the opposite is true. Paying college athletes makes them far less susceptible to taking bribes that affect the outcome of a game.
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You're going to see us sign several more from the portal in the coming weeks. I think we have 4-5 more scholarships to give. Once the portal window closes, we have more of an advantage. The amount of money a kid asks for is going to drop, bc they don't want to be left without a place to go. Right now, the best kid from a bottom barrel CAA school, came in and asked for $200K. Kid from Alabama, who didn't play in a single game this season, rolls in and asks for $150K. We can't compete with that. D2 All-American that picked Longwood over us, got $40K. We aren't going to give that amount of money (nor do we have it) to a kid that might not even start. It's pay to play right now. We aren't in a position where we can sign some of these kids right now, when the asking price is so high...
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You're going to see us sign several more from the portal in the coming weeks. I think we have 4-5 more scholarships to give. Once the portal window closes, we have more of an advantage. The amount of money a kid asks for is going to drop, bc they don't want to be left without a place to go. Right now, the best kid from a bottom barrel CAA school, came in and asked for $200K. Kid from Alabama, who didn't play in a single game this season, rolls in and asks for $150K. We can't compete with that. D2 All-American that picked Longwood over us, got $40K. We aren't going to give that amount of money (nor do we have it) to a kid that might not even start. It's pay to play right now. We aren't in a position where we can sign some of these kids right now, when the asking price is so high...
Curious if you?re just assuming we dont have the money? Or if you have a source?
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D2 AA would start for Marshall
Longwood shouldn?t be recruiting better than Herd
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D2 AA would start for Marshall
Longwood shouldn?t be recruiting better than Herd
Longwood has put together something solid on paper at least.
KJ McClurg (D2), Kyrell Luc (St Bona), Colby Garland (Drake) and they just added DJ Jefferson (Tennessee.)
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Curious if you?re just assuming we dont have the money? Or if you have a source?
I know its only 1.5 hours, but no response to your question.
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No offense, but I am kind of skeptical about the NIL numbers being posted in this thread. Who is supplying the information? If it is from the Dan crowd, I would take it with a grain of salt. Look at football, we picked up players from the SEC and ACC; does Huff have that much money raised to attract the players? One would think if people are giving to football NIL they would be giving to basketball NIL? It doesn't take long to raise money for basketball if it can be done for football. Doesn't everyone love Dan and want to help him? I realize it is a numbers game with basketball vs football. I know Huff has said that the recruits are not asking for large sums of money that he is recruiting.
I never heard about Marshall football losing a football player to a "MAC school offering $80K or a Longwood offering $40K. I have a family member who is on the staff at Ohio U and she doubts that they would offer that kind of money, but she isn't sure since she is on the academic side. Longwood for example is a small VA teachers college (4-5000 students) school located in the middle of nowhere (Farmville). There isn't a lot of money in Southside Virginia where Farmville is located, I know because I use to cover that area.
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Where did you come up with all these superlatives, don't look at the stats. Really?
Hmm IDK. Do you watch basketball? You ever see guys that just make the right play but don't score 20 points a game? Purdue just had a kid who averaged 6 points and 4 rebounds Transfer to Duke...You know why? because he plays basketball the right way and makes everyone around him better.
Basketball is more than scoring points. How many times under Dan did Marshall score 70+ and lose? A LOT!! Marshall needs kids of all style's right now. A 7 man non versatile undersized rotation of players does not work. You have to be able to win games playing all styles. College basketball is all about versatility and versatility is Mike Dawson.
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Longwood has put together something solid on paper at least.
KJ McClurg (D2), Kyrell Luc (St Bona), Colby Garland (Drake) and they just added DJ Jefferson (Tennessee.)
Longwood would beat Herd bball. But they shouldn?t be able to beat Herd and recruit better.
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Hmm IDK. Do you watch basketball? You ever see guys that just make the right play but don't score 20 points a game? Purdue just had a kid who averaged 6 points and 4 rebounds Transfer to Duke...You know why? because he plays basketball the right way and makes everyone around him better.
Basketball is more than scoring points. How many times under Dan did Marshall score 70+ and lose? A LOT!! Marshall needs kids of all style's right now. A 7 man non versatile undersized rotation of players does not work. You have to be able to win games playing all styles. College basketball is all about versatility and versatility is Mike Dawson.
What makes Mike good? If looking at stats nothing pops. Does he hold his man scoreless or shoot poorly?
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No offense, but I am kind of skeptical about the NIL numbers being posted in this thread. Who is supplying the information? If it is from the Dan crowd, I would take it with a grain of salt. Look at football, we picked up players from the SEC and ACC; does Huff have that much money raised to attract the players? One would think if people are giving to football NIL they would be giving to basketball NIL? It doesn't take long to raise money for basketball if it can be done for football. Doesn't everyone love Dan and want to help him? I realize it is a numbers game with basketball vs football. I know Huff has said that the recruits are not asking for large sums of money that he is recruiting.
I never heard about Marshall football losing a football player to a "MAC school offering $80K or a Longwood offering $40K. I have a family member who is on the staff at Ohio U and she doubts that they would offer that kind of money, but she isn't sure since she is on the academic side. Longwood for example is a small VA teachers college (4-5000 students) school located in the middle of nowhere (Farmville). There isn't a lot of money in Southside Virginia where Farmville is located, I know because I use to cover that area.
Longwood hasn't been a strictly teachers college in decades. It is a Liberal Arts school but is co-ed and offers many of same degrees as other liberal arts schools and has a solid academic reputation. I worked there for three years in 90's but have kept up with their programs and know the SID from my time there. They also changed to Longwood University. They have only been D1 for a few years in athletics and don't have great D1 facilities. It is isolated but only about an hour from Richmond and Lynchburg but town of Farmville is small. Their sports tradition was huge success for D2 or D3 womens golf. They also had a couple big names in pros in Jerome Kersey of NBA and Michael Tucker in MLB. They play in a weak league which has helped them immensely but I doubt they have any kind of NIL that would compete for the better players out there. They also don't have football so they could put more eggs in basketball but I don't see them having the ability to raise a lot of money... but who knows.
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I know its only 1.5 hours, but no response to your question.
Sorry, son's baseball game, and well....life isn't the message board. I have sources. I know what our best two kids are asking for and getting. We don't have 40K for a guy like that. Longwood's head coach has parents with loads of money. They bought him the job, and they're buying him a roster. Check their roster from the last year. 8 transfers.
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It's not about "how well you can recruit." Those days are over. It's what you can pay. We lost the kid from Stetson to Middle Tennessee for $50K. These numbers are very, very real. App St lost more than half it's roster from a 26 win team. Why? Because some of the kids can go elsewhere and get big numbers, and some of the kids left because money promised to them at Appalachian didn't show up. The days of building relationships, and nailing a guy down....far and few between. It's pay to play. I coach high school basketball. I have two class of 2024 D1 players. One is still available. I've talked to no fewer than 10 head coaches in the last week. They all say the same thing. Its all about $$$$. I know what my kid is asking for as a freshman, and he's gonna get it....not because he's asking for anything crazy, but because that's the going rate...
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https://x.com/ZyavierR/status/1783272398105591943
Think we will see more stories like this in the Wild West of NIL
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Hmm IDK. Do you watch basketball? You ever see guys that just make the right play but don't score 20 points a game? Purdue just had a kid who averaged 6 points and 4 rebounds Transfer to Duke...You know why? because he plays basketball the right way and makes everyone around him better.
Basketball is more than scoring points. How many times under Dan did Marshall score 70+ and lose? A LOT!! Marshall needs kids of all style's right now. A 7 man non versatile undersized rotation of players does not work. You have to be able to win games playing all styles. College basketball is all about versatility and versatility is Mike Dawson.
You are talking completely out of your head. Yes a guy can play great defense and make others better around him. But that player still doesn't shoot 28% from three and 38% from the FT line. Show me a player that has those kind of numbers and is great for their team? You are talking about players that just doesn't look to score and still shoots 40-50% from the floor and maybe 75% from the line but offense just isn't what they look for. Would you want. 38% FT shooter on the line for us in critical games or someone that shoots above 70%? I mean come on and talk with some commonsense. Now I hope he finds his shot and becomes a great player for us. But numbers don't lie and last year his numbers were awful. Let's hope that changes since he is wearing green or I mean black.
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His 38% from the foul line last season was an extremely low sample size at only 5/13. He's 63% for his career which is obviously not great, but not horrific either.
He's also a typical 3 and D guy who has shot over 4x as many 3's (375) as 2's (82). Last year's 28% from deep was a drop from 36% in his previous season. Maybe he was rusty after missing a year to injury. 32% for his career.
So yeah, while his offensive game isn't as bad as last year's stats would indicate, he's also not a guy you want to be one of your leading scorers. But according to everyone, defense is what he really brings to the table. Led Akron in steals last year despite having only the 5th most minutes. Also a veteran from a tough team that knows how to win championships. Sounds like the type of player that was really missing from Dan's teams. Should be a nice pickup and a solid piece of the puzzle.
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I wish the best for him. I hope he comes home and kills it.
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I don?t care what his percentage from 3 is. If he can play defense and willing to drive to the basket then I will be happy.
Looks like a good pickup to me.
lol
Stop it
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Akron has been hitting the portal gaining a center from UNC; point guards from wvu and Cornell. They also brought in a forward from wvu. Maybe the Akron coach was improving the talent level on his team and Dawson realized he wasn't going to be playing much this season? Good coaches are always trying to improve the talent level on their teams. Per Verbal Comments about 6 players have left the Akron team over the last two years. That could be the reason he is at Marshall or it could be other factors like he wanted to come home? Dawson sounds like a role player and every team needs a few role players. I hope it works out for both.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/akron
Edit: Older fans will remember Gary Orsini who played in the Russel Lee era. Gary didn't score a lot of points, but he did bang on the boards and play solid defense. Maybe Dawson will turn into another Gary Orsini?
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With Herd team we have he will be expected to have bonafide career year.
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What makes Mike good? If looking at stats nothing pops. Does he hold his man scoreless or shoot poorly?
He's not from D2 or the MEAC so apparently we shouldn't have taken him
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His 38% from the foul line last season was an extremely low sample size at only 5/13. He's 63% for his career which is obviously not great, but not horrific either.
He's also a typical 3 and D guy who has shot over 4x as many 3's (375) as 2's (82). Last year's 28% from deep was a drop from 36% in his previous season. Maybe he was rusty after missing a year to injury. 32% for his career.
So yeah, while his offensive game isn't as bad as last year's stats would indicate, he's also not a guy you want to be one of your leading scorers. But according to everyone, defense is what he really brings to the table. Led Akron in steals last year despite having only the 5th most minutes. Also a veteran from a tough team that knows how to win championships. Sounds like the type of player that was really missing from Dan's teams. Should be a nice pickup and a solid piece of the puzzle.
I hope that is the case. He does bring 3 things that has been missing for years. Defense, strength and toughness. Hopefully those are things Corny is looking for. Corny has a great opportunity this year imo. Very few midmajors has to inside guys as good as Obinna and Martin. And they are both already have 4 years of game experience going on 5. That is huge. If he can land 3 nice guards we can be very good. And let's hope Dawson did just have an off year shooting. I do love how he works around the basket. Here is a video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=04dJIhaYrvw
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His 38% from the foul line last season was an extremely low sample size at only 5/13. He's 63% for his career which is obviously not great, but not horrific either.
He's also a typical 3 and D guy who has shot over 4x as many 3's (375) as 2's (82). Last year's 28% from deep was a drop from 36% in his previous season. Maybe he was rusty after missing a year to injury. 32% for his career.
So yeah, while his offensive game isn't as bad as last year's stats would indicate, he's also not a guy you want to be one of your leading scorers. But according to everyone, defense is what he really brings to the table. Led Akron in steals last year despite having only the 5th most minutes. Also a veteran from a tough team that knows how to win championships. Sounds like the type of player that was really missing from Dan's teams. Should be a nice pickup and a solid piece of the puzzle.
Perimeter defense has been a weakness. Hopefully, he can help make that a strength.
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We need scorers! Teams will pack it in against Obinna and Martin, thus we need someone to extend the D. Team with the most points wins.
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He's not from D2 or the MEAC so apparently we shouldn't have taken him
He would have same stat line in MEAC. My ? Has been everyone says he?s really good on defense. Why is this the case? Why is he special on D? And i was hoping the good players in MEAC in portal would come here but they are not. Would have helped tremendously with our D and scoring output.
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He would have same stat line in MEAC. My ? Has been everyone says he?s really good on defense. Why is this the case? Why is he special on D? And i was hoping the good players in MEAC in portal would come here but they are not. Would have helped tremendously with our D and scoring output.
Still a lot of time and players out there. I'm still betting we get some nice athletic guards. I would take 2 voyles and a true PG with what we already have.
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If we only had one scholarship to give and Dawson was that guy, I would be disappointed, but we have multiple scholarships to give. He's a veteran player who if he can play good perimeter defense, then I think he'll play a valuable role.
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You are talking completely out of your head. Yes a guy can play great defense and make others better around him. But that player still doesn't shoot 28% from three and 38% from the FT line. Show me a player that has those kind of numbers and is great for their team? You are talking about players that just doesn't look to score and still shoots 40-50% from the floor and maybe 75% from the line but offense just isn't what they look for. Would you want. 38% FT shooter on the line for us in critical games or someone that shoots above 70%? I mean come on and talk with some commonsense. Now I hope he finds his shot and becomes a great player for us. But numbers don't lie and last year his numbers were awful. Let's hope that changes since he is wearing green or I mean black.
Dan's numbers lie. remember when you were his #1 fan then turned to his #1 hater?
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Mikal Dawson playing at Huntington High was the AAA West Virginia state player of the year both his junior (23 points 10 reb) and senior year (25 points 10 reb). I think he gives the HERD more scoring than most on this forum. Being home for his final year should be a positive.
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All I can say about Marshall basketball is, I'm just glad I can watch games on ESPN+. If I live long enough maybe I'll buy another season ticket, but it's not college basketball anymore.
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Aren't we getting a visit from a JMU portal player?
I know a lot of people have been looking at Dawson's stat line. I get that. But I think it is about time that Marshall men's basketball has a freakish athlete that can come in a game and lock down on defense on the opposing team's 1- , 2- or 3- player. Yes, he may have only averaged around 5 to 6 points a game at Akron. But he played a lot of minutes which tells me he can play good defense. You don't play a guy 28 minutes a game with that type of scoring average if he can't play defense.
It is good if we have a player that can take an 18 ppg scorer from the opposing team and limit that player to 9 to 10 points under his average. We not only take away points from the other team but a quality defender can take a team out of the flow of their offense which is generally built around their top scorer. We have gotten so use as a fan-base to no defensive adjustments in both game planning and in-game adjustments that I just don't think our fanbase appreciates a good defender. We NEVER adjusted our defense to how an opposing player was scoring in a game. When the guard from App State kept scoring and scoring and scoring in the same manner at the Henderson Center, did you ever see an adjustment? I sure didn't. Jackson wants his defenders to get more up into the ball handlers and opposing players. His philosophy is to push the offense further from the basket and make them start their sets further from the basket. You have to have good athletic defenders to do that.
I also think Dawson may get a little more offensive production playing in our style of offense. Our offense, which Corny said he is keeping, tends to open up the floor for athletic players. I think that could help Dawson a little bit more.
Count me in as someone who really likes this approach. Of course, I might be different in that I am a firm believer in that defense wins against the better competition.
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Aren't we getting a visit from a JMU portal player?
I know a lot of people have been looking at Dawson's stat line. I get that. But I think it is about time that Marshall men's basketball has a freakish athlete that can come in a game and lock down on defense on the opposing team's 1- , 2- or 3- player. Yes, he may have only averaged around 5 to 6 points a game at Akron. But he played a lot of minutes which tells me he can play good defense. You don't play a guy 28 minutes a game with that type of scoring average if he can't play defense.
It is good if we have a player that can take an 18 ppg scorer from the opposing team and limit that player to 9 to 10 points under his average. We not only take away points from the other team but a quality defender can take a team out of the flow of their offense which is generally built around their top scorer. We have gotten so use as a fan-base to no defensive adjustments in both game planning and in-game adjustments that I just don't think our fanbase appreciates a good defender. We NEVER adjusted our defense to how an opposing player was scoring in a game. When the guard from App State kept scoring and scoring and scoring in the same manner at the Henderson Center, did you ever see an adjustment? I sure didn't. Jackson wants his defenders to get more up into the ball handlers and opposing players. His philosophy is to push the offense further from the basket and make them start their sets further from the basket. You have to have good athletic defenders to do that.
I also think Dawson may get a little more offensive production playing in our style of offense. Our offense, which Corny said he is keeping, tends to open up the floor for athletic players. I think that could help Dawson a little bit more.
Count me in as someone who really likes this approach. Of course, I might be different in that I am a firm believer in that defense wins against the better competition.
THANK GOD someone on this forum understands the game of basketball. A kid does not play 20 minutes in college basketball if they aren't helping a team. Unless it's Marshall then who knows what Your all's beloved Dan thought but 99.9% of kids don't play 20+ minutes if they are bad lol. Dawson did shoot 36% from 3 in 21-22 before sitting out 22-23 with injury. Also shot 77% and 69% from the line before injury.
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Aren't we getting a visit from a JMU portal player?
I know a lot of people have been looking at Dawson's stat line. I get that. But I think it is about time that Marshall men's basketball has a freakish athlete that can come in a game and lock down on defense on the opposing team's 1- , 2- or 3- player. Yes, he may have only averaged around 5 to 6 points a game at Akron. But he played a lot of minutes which tells me he can play good defense. You don't play a guy 28 minutes a game with that type of scoring average if he can't play defense.
It is good if we have a player that can take an 18 ppg scorer from the opposing team and limit that player to 9 to 10 points under his average. We not only take away points from the other team but a quality defender can take a team out of the flow of their offense which is generally built around their top scorer. We have gotten so use as a fan-base to no defensive adjustments in both game planning and in-game adjustments that I just don't think our fanbase appreciates a good defender. We NEVER adjusted our defense to how an opposing player was scoring in a game. When the guard from App State kept scoring and scoring and scoring in the same manner at the Henderson Center, did you ever see an adjustment? I sure didn't. Jackson wants his defenders to get more up into the ball handlers and opposing players. His philosophy is to push the offense further from the basket and make them start their sets further from the basket. You have to have good athletic defenders to do that.
I also think Dawson may get a little more offensive production playing in our style of offense. Our offense, which Corny said he is keeping, tends to open up the floor for athletic players. I think that could help Dawson a little bit more.
Count me in as someone who really likes this approach. Of course, I might be different in that I am a firm believer in that defense wins against the better competition.
I actually love defense. I would rather watch a great team effort of defense than offense. Nothing like watching a team denying ever pass and defending every shot. I'll take that over what we have been seeing any day.
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It might be a more valid criticism to note how few times he actually went to the line. He averaged 21 minutes over 35 games and only shot 13 FTs all year. That?s absurdly low. Lest you think it is a one year aberration, he?s only shot 65 FTs in 4 years.
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Arkansa St got Louisianas best player. They already had a good year last year and was coming on at the end of the year. Their new coach can really recruit. Spradling at JMU has brought in some really nice players. D2 all American and one of his best players from Morehead. He is expected to get the OVC player of the year from 23 also. Along with 2. 6'11" kids 235 and 255. I hope we can keep up.
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It might be a more valid criticism to note how few times he actually went to the line. He averaged 21 minutes over 35 games and only shot 13 FTs all year. That?s absurdly low. Lest you think it is a one year aberration, he?s only shot 65 FTs in 4 years.
That's because Akron used him almost entirely as a 3 point shooter. Not going to get a lot of foul shots that way.
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Arkansa St got Louisianas best player. They already had a good year last year and was coming on at the end of the year. Their new coach can really recruit. Spradling at JMU has brought in some really nice players. D2 all American and one of his best players from Morehead. He is expected to get the OVC player of the year from 23 also. Along with 2. 6'11" kids 235 and 255. I hope we can keep up.
FYI: Verbal Commits has JMU with the Morehead transfer listed along with a transfer from Syracuse; Florida Southern and Southern Indiana. No mention of the 6'11" transfers, but the site may not be up to date. We have some players visiting this weekend. We need to recruit some players or it is going to be a long season.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/james-madison
FYI: Verbal Commits also lists Marshall offering Williams and Dickerson. Verbal doesn't show any college offers for Connors and Toussaint.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/marshall
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FYI: Verbal Commits has JMU with the Morehead transfer listed along with a transfer from Syracuse; Florida Southern and Southern Indiana. No mention of the 6'11" transfers, but the site may not be up to date. We have some players visiting this weekend. We need to recruit some players or it is going to be a long season.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/james-madison
FYI: Verbal Commits also lists Marshall offering Williams and Dickerson. Verbal doesn't show any college offers for Connors and Toussaint.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/marshall
Here you go.
https://jmusportsnews.com/2024/04/26/jmu-mens-basketball-transfer-portal-tracker/
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Here you go.
https://jmusportsnews.com/2024/04/26/jmu-mens-basketball-transfer-portal-tracker/
Geez! 6 new additions and possibly a 7th..... They will be good.................
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Geez! 6 new additions and possibly a 7th..... They will be good.................
i certainly would've preferred spradlin over CJ. if PS's got 6, going on 7, new adds already, i think that's cause for concern. & PS obviously, by SBC standards, inherited a decent roster. we've added 1, that even with our pathetic roster, we all see as bench help.
we all know DD's portal approach was to let everyone else get what they want, & then we'll pick from what's left. & we all know DD is the only coach CJ ever worked under in the portal era. we need a DRASTIC change in philosophy with this program, not more of the same!
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Geez! 6 new additions and possibly a 7th..... They will be good.................
Good recruiters find a way. D2 all American. One of your best players from previous team. Possibly OVC player of the year. 2 P5 6'11" kids. I'm not panicked yet but the clock is ticking and another 1-2 weeks and I'll be getting very concerned.
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This board for the most part is so negative. Nothing is ever good enough for the majority of posters??.
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This board for the most part is so negative. Nothing is ever good enough for the majority of posters??.
Lol!!! Tell us what is so wonderful right now? We have had 2-20 loss seasons out of the last 3. We have 6 spots to fill and have only filled one with a hometown boy wanting to come back home. We have zero guards on the team that can play D1 ball at this time. The football team has not done anything for years. So please tell us why we should be so happy?
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Lol!!! Tell us what is so wonderful right now? We have had 2-20 loss seasons out of the last 3. We have 6 spots to fill and have only filled one with a hometown boy wanting to come back home. We have zero guards on the team that can play D1 ball at this time. The football team has not done anything for years. So please tell us why we should be so happy?
Can't argue with you lol
Our two major sports suck balls
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And you two never let us forget.
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And you two never let us forget.
At least we care!!!
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At least we care!!!
Good point!
I guess some of us just want Marshall to be the best it can be and play for conference championships. Playing for national championships in football and basketball is not a realistic expectation for me. If Marshall doesn't care about being a strong athletic program, I might as well direct all of my contributions to the academic side.
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Geez! 6 new additions and possibly a 7th..... They will be good.................
JMU makes good hires and places a huge emphasis on winning and winning now.
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Lol!!! Tell us what is so wonderful right now? We have had 2-20 loss seasons out of the last 3. We have 6 spots to fill and have only filled one with a hometown boy wanting to come back home. We have zero guards on the team that can play D1 ball at this time. The football team has not done anything for years. So please tell us why we should be so happy?
Well we are free from DAntoni and i believe corny will take a different approach?.i always thought Dawson should have been a son of Marshall from the start?..hopefully he will get a chance to go out with a larger role. I?m just being cautiously optimistic. Everyone on here wanted Dan gone but said Spears and Smirh wouldn?t do it?..they did it and then the same group complained about Corny and how he?d be a Dan clone?.he immediately sent out offers to ten times more the amount of portal players than Danny did his entire tenure and suddenly the first one to sign isn?t good enough when he athletically is an upgrade over our intramural scholarship Dudes
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Well we are free from DAntoni and i believe corny will take a different approach?.i always thought Dawson should have been a son of Marshall from the start?..hopefully he will get a chance to go out with a larger role. I?m just being cautiously optimistic. Everyone on here wanted Dan gone but said Spears and Smirh wouldn?t do it?..they did it and then the same group complained about Corny and how he?d be a Dan clone?.he immediately sent out offers to ten times more the amount of portal players than Danny did his entire tenure and suddenly the first one to sign isn?t good enough when he athletically is an upgrade over our intramural scholarship Dudes
Well I do agree with most that you said. But the bottom line is Marshall has no vision for its two main sports. I'll support Corny until he proves he isn't the guy. But teams like JMU are serious about their sports and do their homework when hiring coaches. We just hand the ball off to the next guy and hope for the best. I said o wouldn't get concerned until the end of the month a couple weeks ago. Well here we are and not one commitment other than the hometown boy. And for example JMU has got a D2 all American, one of Morehead st best players along with another OVC player that averaged 14/8 and 2 P5 6'11" kids. Also a Syracuse transfer. Not to mention will most likely sign the 2023 OVC player of the year. How can they get so many quality players and we have ONE that wanted to come back home? But like you said at least we are making offers to players Danny would have never even looked at. Hopefully we get some good news in the next week or two.
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This board for the most part is so negative. Nothing is ever good enough for the majority of posters??.
Maybe, 1216, the board is the WAY IT IS is that enough HERD FANS have HAD ENOUGH after a DECADE of marginally over .500 basketball under Mr. Yuk Yuk, let's have "FUN", Danny Boy!!! Just maybe enough fans have had their fill of "FUN" and want a consistent, year after year WINNER, and a team that CONSISTENTLY plays for "CHAMPIONSHIPS" and is a consistent participant in SIGNIFICANT post season play. IMO, given MU's still consistently strong fan base and support and the fact that we have, as many readily admit, stepped "down" when it comes to the caliber of basketball competition with our new membership in the SBC, that's not too much for the FANS to ask for!!!
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Maybe, 1216, the board is the WAY IT IS is that enough HERD FANS have HAD ENOUGH after a DECADE of marginally over .500 basketball under Mr. Yuk Yuk, let's have "FUN", Danny Boy!!! Just maybe enough fans have had their fill of "FUN" and want a consistent, year after year WINNER, and a team that CONSISTENTLY plays for "CHAMPIONSHIPS" and is a consistent participant in SIGNIFICANT post season play. IMO, given MU's still consistently strong fan base and support and the fact that we have, as many readily admit, stepped "down" when it comes to the caliber of basketball competition with our new membership in the SBC, that's not too much for the FANS to ask for!!!
I get it bc i grew up to championships and when winning was expected. I think changes are on the horizon for our two major sports
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This board for the most part is so negative. Nothing is ever good enough for the majority of posters??.
Crazy to think that the majority of this board expects better! Your just happy that we have uniforms that doesn?t even rep our school colors.
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What do you care about? You ask people to boycott. You ask them not to give money. So what do you care about? Only to prove your right.
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Crazy to think that the majority of this board expects better! Your just happy that we have uniforms that doesn?t even rep our school colors.
There is a HUGE difference between expecting better and being downright negative regardless. Our fan base can be absurd and ?get off our lawn? in almost any circumstance it seems. You?re really going to try and argue about my opinion on our uniform selection!! Way to prove my point. Who cares what alternate uni scheme we use?..everyone who bleeds Marshall knows what our colors are so the use of an alternate color scheme and using it to accent the end zones and the new court at the Henderson center is fine by me. I love watching any Marshall team decked out in Kelly green and white, but it?s also a fresh look to have multiple combos to change it up sometimes. The players love the black jerseys, helmet, etc so who am I to say otherwise. Look at Oregon and what they have done with t their broad range of choices?..do you think their fan base flips out and tries to cause division amongst their fans if they tend to favor one that is not their primary colors????? Not in the least do they care
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What do you care about? You ask people to boycott. You ask them not to give money. So what do you care about? Only to prove your right.
I care about winning and an administration that shows they expect it also. But some of you enjoy just grabbing the popcorn and showing up because it's Marshall. Just be glad we have a team and keep our head in the sand.
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Guys, basketball recruiting is literally ALL ABOUT NIL! Style doesn't matter. Relationships don't matter. Winning doesn't matter. It's what can you pay me? A kid may like MU, but he isn't going to sign right away because he's going to wait to see if he gets better monetary offers. Now you can choose to think that's not the case, but it's absolutely reality. All this Corny can't recruit BS.....throw it away. JMU has a MUCH LARGER collective and NIL than we do. Step up, donate to NIL. That's the only way our recruiting in basketball is going to change.
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Guys, basketball recruiting is literally ALL ABOUT NIL! Style doesn't matter. Relationships don't matter. Winning doesn't matter. It's what can you pay me? A kid may like MU, but he isn't going to sign right away because he's going to wait to see if he gets better monetary offers. Now you can choose to think that's not the case, but it's absolutely reality. All this Corny can't recruit BS.....throw it away. JMU has a MUCH LARGER collective and NIL than we do. Step up, donate to NIL. That's the only way our recruiting in basketball is going to change.
As fans, we are tired of excuses. Corny accepted and wanted the job and knew our NIL situation. He is charged with winning games and he is going to be held to that. We can work to raise funds but that will come with winning. A new coach that was not associated with the program would have had more credibility in asking for NIL.
Many people are not going to throw money at basketball until we see competent leadership.
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Guys, basketball recruiting is literally ALL ABOUT NIL! Style doesn't matter. Relationships don't matter. Winning doesn't matter. It's what can you pay me? A kid may like MU, but he isn't going to sign right away because he's going to wait to see if he gets better monetary offers. Now you can choose to think that's not the case, but it's absolutely reality. All this Corny can't recruit BS.....throw it away. JMU has a MUCH LARGER collective and NIL than we do. Step up, donate to NIL. That's the only way our recruiting in basketball is going to change.
To a point yes. But that is why you have to look under every rock. There are very good players in D2 and Juco that aren't going to get much money and are overlooked. How are we keeping Martin and Obinna with your theory? I'll guarantee we aren't giving them much and they could get more money elsewhere. Yes it takes money but that isn't all of it. Do you think FAU was giving more money than teams like Kentucky, UCONN, Duke, NC etc? Personally I think football is screwed but basketball just needs a handful of players.
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To a point yes. But that is why you have to look under every rock. There are very good players in D2 and Juco that aren't going to get much money and are overlooked. How are we keeping Martin and Obinna with your theory? I'll guarantee we aren't giving them much and they could get more money elsewhere. Yes it takes money but that isn't all of it. Do you think FAU was giving more money than teams like Kentucky, UCONN, Duke, NC etc? Personally I think football is screwed but basketball just needs a handful of players.
Do I think FAU has more NIL money at their disposal than Duke or UCONN, no. Do I think they have significantly more than Marshall, yes. The name on the front of the jersey has less to do with it than the market they're in or alumni they have. Like I said in another post, be prepared to watch teams we used to look down on zoom right past us due to NIL.
I'd imagine we are keeping Oak and Martin in part because they're getting the max we can get for a basketball player (whatever that is). I agree with you that we have to find the hidden gems where we can be the highest bidder. What's the rush on that though? Go after the known quality players in the portal first. Throw your best offer and see what happens. If we can't get those guys then go after the more risky hidden gem guys. I believe we are in the wait and see if we got the highest bid stage right now.
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This is exactly why I don't expect our men's program or the football program to be any better than average moving forward. NIL is sinking schools like ours. I am very hopeful it doesn't impact our minor sports as negatively as our big two. The minor sports have great potential. Jmho
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Do I think FAU has more NIL money at their disposal than Duke or UCONN, no. Do I think they have significantly more than Marshall, yes. The name on the front of the jersey has less to do with it than the market they're in or alumni they have. Like I said in another post, be prepared to watch teams we used to look down on zoom right past us due to NIL.
I'd imagine we are keeping Oak and Martin in part because they're getting the max we can get for a basketball player (whatever that is). I agree with you that we have to find the hidden gems where we can be the highest bidder. What's the rush on that though? Go after the known quality players in the portal first. Throw your best offer and see what happens. If we can't get those guys then go after the more risky hidden gem guys. I believe we are in the wait and see if we got the highest bid stage right now.
You clearly didn't read what I said. I never once said we have more money than FAU. He said it's ""ALL"" about the NIL now. And I asked if FAU had more than NC, Duke, Kentucky etc,,,, so how did they manage to do better than those schools? Can we not compete with the ragtag SB conference schools? If not, the administration should just say so and people can move on with their lives without Marshall sports. But our administration doesn't seem to have the commitment that even other SB schools have when it comes to the top 2 sports.
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Guys, basketball recruiting is literally ALL ABOUT NIL! Style doesn't matter. Relationships don't matter. Winning doesn't matter. It's what can you pay me? A kid may like MU, but he isn't going to sign right away because he's going to wait to see if he gets better monetary offers. Now you can choose to think that's not the case, but it's absolutely reality. All this Corny can't recruit BS.....throw it away. JMU has a MUCH LARGER collective and NIL than we do. Step up, donate to NIL. That's the only way our recruiting in basketball is going to change.
Interesting comments from UMASS about NIL in the link below. UMASS is helping out with "incidentals" and rent. The big schools are throwing money at players, but most schools at Marshall's level don't seem to be taking this approach. Marshall basketball will never be recruiting against a Duke or UK. Huff has said that he uses the same approach for NIL, but some kids will always chase the money.
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You clearly didn't read what I said. I never once said we have more money than FAU. He said it's ""ALL"" about the NIL now. And I asked if FAU had more than NC, Duke, Kentucky etc,,,, so how did they manage to do better than those schools? Can we not compete with the ragtag SB conference schools? If not, the administration should just say so and people can move on with their lives without Marshall sports. But our administration doesn't seem to have the commitment that even other SB schools have when it comes to the top 2 sports.
I clearly did read and agreed with you that they don't have more NIL money than the Dukes of the world. I even agreed we need to find hidden gems like you said. You just love picking fights so you took it how you wanted, instead of seeing a post agreeing with you.
My point is they do have more than us though, so it's not a fair comparison to just keep throwing out well how did FAU do it. Marshall can afford a Civic, FAU can afford a Corvette and Duke can afford a Lambo. You have more of a chance racing your Corvette vs the Lambo with the right driver, but the Civic doesn't stand a chance no matter who is behind the wheel.
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I doubt FAu had more money before they went to Final Four. Hire a great coach should be step one. If you don't do that you won't win no matter what the NIL. And why should the school decide who gets the bribe money? Why not give the phone numbers out to boosters who want to participate and let them contact the "student athletes" and offer them the bribe directly.
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I doubt FAu had more money before they went to Final Four. Hire a great coach should be step one. If you don't do that you won't win no matter what the NIL. And why should the school decide who gets the bribe money? Why not give the phone numbers out to boosters who want to participate and let them contact the "student athletes" and offer them the bribe directly.
In 2021 all 200 female athletes at FAU were offered a NIL deal by the Florida Panthers. They got free tickets, gear, and earning opportunities via social media. All 200 female athletes. This is an example of the types of partnerships a big market school has access to. If their women were getting deals from the NHL, do you still believe their men's program was getting less than ours back then?
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You just proved my point young man! Just show up and grab your popcorn and cheer just to be cheering! I don?t know you but can see through tinted glass. You must live a boring life is all I?ve got to say. Carry on with your 10-20 proud seasons and paste it to your a@@
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UAB becomes 1st Division I football team to join players association
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/40024327/uab-becomes-1st-d-football-team-join-players-association
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You just proved my point young man! Just show up and grab your popcorn and cheer just to be cheering! I don?t know you but can see through tinted glass. You must live a boring life is all I?ve got to say. Carry on with your 10-20 proud seasons and paste it to your a@@
I assume you're talking about me... The guy that wanted Dan gone two years ago, the guy that has been less than impressed with our recruiting for years, the guy that just a few posts ago said we need to find hidden gems if we can't win these bidding wars. Some of you are so extreme. Calling me an @ss and deciding on your own that I'm some Dan pumper, when you're not even right.
Sorry I live in reality and don't have my head in the sand thinking Marshall is flush with NIL money. I have no idea how me arguing that we have less NIL opportunities than big market schools means I want us to be bad at sports.
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I clearly did read and agreed with you that they don't have more NIL money than the Dukes of the world. I even agreed we need to find hidden gems like you said. You just love picking fights so you took it how you wanted, instead of seeing a post agreeing with you.
My point is they do have more than us though, so it's not a fair comparison to just keep throwing out well how did FAU do it. Marshall can afford a Civic, FAU can afford a Corvette and Duke can afford a Lambo. You have more of a chance racing your Corvette vs the Lambo with the right driver, but the Civic doesn't stand a chance no matter who is behind the wheel.
I like picking fights? You are the one that responded to my post and now continue responding to everyone else. You may have forgot but we used to own FAU year after year and most of the time embarrassed them. Dusty May even said when he got the job and spent his first day there that he thought he made a I've mistake. Said it was like a high school gym and he would have quit that first day if he hadn't been friends with the AD. But he didn't complain but rolled up his sleeves and went to work. Most of that money came after the final 4 run. The Marshall administration doesn't think that way. They always take the easy way and expect mediocrity. Build it and the fans and money will follow. This area starves for success and will pack arenas when it comes. But they are also tired of the half way effort that is always being produced. Look at the excitement woman's basketball brought and the huge uptick in attendance in just one year. And that was the woman. If the men played that same style and won 17 out of 18 in the SB they would be taking those tarps off or turning away a lot of fans. Heck a few years ago Huntington high sold out the cam for a game when they were good. This area will rock an arena if they bring it. But the leadership just isn't willing to make it happen and it's been proven for many years. And the leaders we have now are no different. If things don't change even the SB and the ragtag bunch in basketball will blow by us. And football is in much much worse shape because the SB is good in football. If you don't think there is any money in basketball then football may as well hang it up. Much easier bringing in 4-7 basketball players than 30-40 football players.
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I like picking fights? You are the one that responded to my post and now continue responding to everyone else. You may have forgot but we used to own FAU year after year and most of the time embarrassed them. Dusty May even said when he got the job and spent his first day there that he thought he made a I've mistake. Said it was like a high school gym and he would have quit that first day if he hadn't been friends with the AD. But he didn't complain but rolled up his sleeves and went to work. Most of that money came after the final 4 run. The Marshall administration doesn't think that way. They always take the easy way and expect mediocrity. Build it and the fans and money will follow. This area starves for success and will pack arenas when it comes. But they are also tired of the half way effort that is always being produced. Look at the excitement woman's basketball brought and the huge uptick in attendance in just one year. And that was the woman. If the men played that same style and won 17 out of 18 in the SB they would be taking those tarps off or turning away a lot of fans. Heck a few years ago Huntington high sold out the cam for a game when they were good. This area will rock an arena if they bring it. But the leadership just isn't willing to make it happen and it's been proven for many years. And the leaders we have now are no different. If things don't change even the SB and the ragtag bunch in basketball will blow by us. And football is in much much worse shape because the SB is good in football. If you don't think there is any money in basketball then football may as well hang it up. Much easier bringing in 4-7 basketball players than 30-40 football players.
It's so odd that you argue so hard with people that are essentially agreeing with you.
Bust we both think we can do better, we both think there are hidden gems, we both think there are better coaches. We both are tired of being complacent. We just disagree on how much money we have at our disposal compared to other schools. Have your last word, I won't respond anymore.
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It's so odd that you argue so hard with people that are essentially agreeing with you.
Bust we both think we can do better, we both think there are hidden gems, we both think there are better coaches. We both are tired of being complacent. We just disagree on how much money we have at our disposal compared to other schools. Have your last word, I won't respond anymore.
Count my responses and count yours in this thread. But you are the victim lmao!!! You still never got the point. FAU was like a glamorized high school team and their own coach admitted it. They had about 800 at games. They played in a gym that WV schools play in. Everyone beat them like they owned them. Then one coach turned it around and went on a huge run and money started pouring in. I agree we aren't over running with cash. But if we would put more emphasis on basketball there would be a lot more money going into the program. And even the tarps would need to be removed. But it's easier to say" we can't do it" and settle for less. This area and Marshall had thought that way for years. And BTW I'm so sorry for making you feel like an attacked victim after you responded first to me and everyone else and then run claiming you are so innocent!!!
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In 2021 all 200 female athletes at FAU were offered a NIL deal by the Florida Panthers. They got free tickets, gear, and earning opportunities via social media. All 200 female athletes. This is an example of the types of partnerships a big market school has access to. If their women were getting deals from the NHL, do you still believe their men's program was getting less than ours back then?
True you're never going to compete with that but that would seem to be rare considering only about 30 teams per pro league. Still comes down to the HC imo. Once Lane Kiffen left their FB was not same and I would doubt their BB will be same after coach left but can't argue they will be in a better position to hire the right coach. If all the G5 NIL in world can't help keep top notch coach, your days on top are numbered.
I've never seen any info about their NIL before they went to Final Four. Do you have it?
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getting annoying again
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True you're never going to compete with that but that would seem to be rare considering only about 30 teams per pro league. Still comes down to the HC imo. Once Lane Kiffen left their FB was not same and I would doubt their BB will be same after coach left but can't argue they will be in a better position to hire the right coach. If all the G5 NIL in world can't help keep top notch coach, your days on top are numbered.
I've never seen any info about their NIL before they went to Final Four. Do you have it?
Here you go. Just like I said!!!
https://www.wptv.com/sports/college-sports/florida-atlantic-university/fau-basketball-players-accumulate-nil-deals-after-program-success#:~:text=The%20FAU%20men's%20basketball%20program,court%20and%20in%20financial%20literacy.
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Here you go. Just like I said!!!
https://www.wptv.com/sports/college-sports/florida-atlantic-university/fau-basketball-players-accumulate-nil-deals-after-program-success#:~:text=The%20FAU%20men's%20basketball%20program,court%20and%20in%20financial%20literacy.
So it's true that they had minimal NIL money before Final Four:
"The FAU men's basketball program finished with a 19-15 record in 2022 and saw minimal NIL dollars throughout the program.
But after last spring's Final Four run, the Owls have seen NIL dollars impact the program, causing May to coach his team on the court and in financial literacy...."
Also, if true, I didn't know it was illegal to use NIL in recruiting:
"While the NCAA's guidelines say using potential name, image and likeness earnings to recruit kids to colleges is illegal, May said he knows recruits look at their possible earnings."
"We don't sell it a lot in recruiting, and if that's one of the first questions, we say this is probably not the right place for you," May said. "We think our entire roster is taken care of very well. We want recruits to come to this program because they think they will be developed into well-rounded young men and succeed on the court. Those results will be a by-product of how we do everything else."
I see nothing wrong with this approach. They aren't bribing kids to come or to stay but helping them maximize their opportunities. Seems to me the key is still getting the right coach. My opinion
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Question: can the accountants on here put a spreadsheet together of just what a basic scholarship financial break down looks like. What is the average NIL scale looking like nationally also if that info is available? This information would give us a baseline for funds needed and projection for the future. Lot of us are just not aware of the cost of getting education as I graduated in 1980 and making a living. What am I looking at financially the cost associated with the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that I may want to put in Trust to invest for NIL at Marshall? Let?s see the numbers AI forecast to elevate our beloved University in sport?s Status. Got to be some genius here? Let?s get to work and become tireless at it and build that legacy now.
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So it's true that they had minimal NIL money before Final Four:
"The FAU men's basketball program finished with a 19-15 record in 2022 and saw minimal NIL dollars throughout the program.
But after last spring's Final Four run, the Owls have seen NIL dollars impact the program, causing May to coach his team on the court and in financial literacy...."
Also, if true, I didn't know it was illegal to use NIL in recruiting:
"While the NCAA's guidelines say using potential name, image and likeness earnings to recruit kids to colleges is illegal, May said he knows recruits look at their possible earnings."
"We don't sell it a lot in recruiting, and if that's one of the first questions, we say this is probably not the right place for you," May said. "We think our entire roster is taken care of very well. We want recruits to come to this program because they think they will be developed into well-rounded young men and succeed on the court. Those results will be a by-product of how we do everything else."
I see nothing wrong with this approach. They aren't bribing kids to come or to stay but helping them maximize their opportunities. Seems to me the key is still getting the right coach. My opinion
Yes they had very little before that run. People keep using NIL as an excuse. The money will come just like more fans if you put forth the product. FAU was a trash heap before Dusty May. Horrible Gym, no fans (actually we used to mock them for playing in a high school gym in front of a few hundred fans). Nobody cared about FAU basketball down there. Then the run and everything changed. But poor ole Marshall that already has a great fanbase for a G5 and a much bigger and better arena just can't compete. Please!!!
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It seems to me that Coastal Carolina is signing some real nice players under their new head coach and his impressive staff.
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It seems to me that Coastal Carolina is signing some real nice players under their new head coach and his impressive staff.
ODU is going to do very well with their new coach. And Arkansas St is signing nice players also along with JMU.