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The place to talk Marshall University sports! => HerdFans => Topic started by: The Right Stuff on April 17, 2024, 12:55:22 PM
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the little Miami.
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He should do well there. I certainly wish him well.
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"Harvard of the MAC"!
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Figured he would head to an Ohio or MAC school.
Wish him the best unless they are playing Marshall.
Hopefully he has a staff and coach that will let him play the 3 and not try and put him at PG.
Hopefully his head coach won't throw the bus for poor personnel planning and roster management.
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I heard the NIL money for him was $40,000.
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I heard the NIL money for him was $40,000.
He had a lot of promise when he arrived at Marshall, it was wasted by a coach playing him out of position.
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I heard the NIL money for him was $40,000.
No offense, but if that is the best they can do with $40k in NIL, than they are in worse shape than we are. Hope it works out well for him.
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No offense, but if that is the best they can do with $40k in NIL, than they are in worse shape than we are. Hope it works out well for him.
You are kidding, right?
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He had a lot of promise when he arrived at Marshall, it was wasted by a coach playing him out of position.
He lacks the aggression for this level. We may have had him out of position but I don't expect to see him fill up the stat book at Miami either.
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meh
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Wish him the best but let's be real:
No big deal and not a loss imo
Go Herd!
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the little Miami.
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No offense, but do you have a link to the above? I can't find anything about it on Hawktalk; Miami twitter and verbal commits. I don't do social media. Is that where you found the information? Maybe someone that is better at social media can find the post?
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He lacks the aggression for this level. We may have had him out of position but I don't expect to see him fill up the stat book at Miami either.
I dunno. When Kinsey played a year out of position he didn't do much at all. When he got moved back he was player of the year. It makes big difference.
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Wish him the best but let's be real:
No big deal and not a loss imo
Go Herd!
Very minimal production that our coaches should be able to upgrade easily. If they can?t .... abort the mission.
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You are kidding, right?
Assuming he is going there and the 40k is true than no I'm not kidding. Two types of players are scorers in basketball: 1) someone who can create their own shot off dribble or in an up tempo offense on break; and 2) someone with a great outside shot. He has shown neither. I agree 100% he was playing out of position and being in right position will help him be better and more consistent, but he's never going to be a significant scorer unless he develops a great outside shot. There is no way his NIL would generate $40K for anyone so it should just go down as another bribe. If people want to light their money on fire like that it is up to them. Maybe it's a down payment to get his brother to come to Miami, OH. What would they offer to players with much better credentials than 26 mpg and 6pt/5 rebounds and is a huge liability on defense? He seems like a great kid and will likely have a more defined role going forward but he's not likely to see the minutes he saw at MU this past year. My opinion.
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Assuming he is going there and the 40k is true than no I'm not kidding. Two types of players are scorers in basketball: 1) someone who can create their own shot off dribble or in an up tempo offense on break; and 2) someone with a great outside shot. He has shown neither. I agree 100% he was playing out of position and being in right position will help him be better and more consistent, but he's never going to be a significant scorer unless he develops a great outside shot. There is no way his NIL would generate $40K for anyone so it should just go down as another bribe. If people want to light their money on fire like that it is up to them. Maybe it's a down payment to get his brother to come to Miami, OH. What would they offer to players with much better credentials than 26 mpg and 6pt/5 rebounds and is a huge liability on defense? He seems like a great kid and will likely have a more defined role going forward but he's not likely to see the minutes he saw at MU this past year. My opinion.
after reading this, i misunderstood what you meant with your previous post, maybe whf did as well? i agree with what you're saying here. if all this info is true regarding $40K for JC, consider this exhibit A of why i'd never give to NIL. what an absolute, complete waste of $!
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On an ex-Marshall players note:
https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/1780757854481534994
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He lacks the aggression for this level. We may have had him out of position but I don't expect to see him fill up the stat book at Miami either.
Admittedly, I don't follow the stats closely - but how many players that we've lost to transfer have gone on to put up numbers that make you say "damn, I wish he had stayed because those numbers would have really pushed us to the next level"? Are there any? I ask this genuinely because I'm not sure.
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He is close to his home... Good luck Jacob hopefully playing another position!!
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Well that's two of our non D1 players to D1 schools for our resident talent scouts here
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Well that's two of our non D1 players to D1 schools for our resident talent scouts here
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True and both are D1 in my mind but JC a role player not a 25-30 minute guy he was here and the other guy was never given a real chance. My opinion.
Side note: I did not realize Miami hasn't had a non-Covid winning season since 2008-09
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Well that's two of our non D1 players to D1 schools for our resident talent scouts here
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Then that is an even bigger indictment of coaching. The players were not out in a position to succeed.
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Then that is an even bigger indictment of coaching. The players were not out in a position to succeed.
that's exactly what i was thinking when i read that. IF they are a legit DI player but they're looking like DII in our scheme...
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There are about 14 people on earth who care about this news.
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There are about 14 people on earth who care about this news.
I admit I was morbidly curious to see where they end up considering where most thought they were. But yeah, beyond that IDGAF. But what else is there to talk about? We have zero news on our own front about basketball prospects.
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There are about 14 people on earth who care about this news.
congratulations on being one of the 14.
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Then that is an even bigger indictment of coaching. The players were not out in a position to succeed.
that certainly wasn't the point, it wasn't to defend DD as I am glad he moved on and agree most of his problem was roster mgt vs coaching although there are some questions there too.
I just made that comment for our motor mouths that trashed all these kids that chose to play for the Herd. for those that were frustrated, like all of us, but couldn't contain their frustration and let it evolve into menstruation and then blathered on ignorantly about players not being D1 or the entire roster not being D1, except two players. We certainly had talent and roster problems, but that doesn't mean the roster is not D1 and furthermore the roster issues were DDs fault.
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Miami is full of D2 players
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that certainly wasn't the point, it wasn't to defend DD as I am glad he moved on and agree most of his problem was roster mgt vs coaching although there are some questions there too.
I just made that comment for our motor mouths that trashed all these kids that chose to play for the Herd. for those that were frustrated, like all of us, but couldn't contain their frustration and let it evolve into menstruation and then blathered on ignorantly about players not being D1 or the entire roster not being D1, except two players. We certainly had talent and roster problems, but that doesn't mean the roster is not D1 and furthermore the roster issues were DDs fault.
To be fair, making the Miami team does not feed crow to anyone. They aren't exactly a powerhouse in the sport these days. If he'd gone to Toledo or Kent I might have respected his placement a bit more. Whether he'll do well or not there is kind of irrelevant. He didn't belong here on this team with that coach. It was an awful fit, as were many if not most of the guys on the team. Maybe they will succeed somewhere else, maybe they're just not good at this level. There are guys that should have stayed here and there are guys that should have never been here. Connor and the rest that left are closer to the latter than the former. Taylor and West were probably the former.
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To be fair, making the Miami team does not feed crow to anyone. They aren't exactly a powerhouse in the sport these days. If he'd gone to Toledo or Kent I might have respected his placement a bit more. Whether he'll do well or not there is kind of irrelevant. He didn't belong here on this team with that coach. It was an awful fit, as were many if not most of the guys on the team. Maybe they will succeed somewhere else, maybe they're just not good at this level. There are guys that should have stayed here and there are guys that should have never been here. Connor and the rest that left are closer to the latter than the former. Taylor and West were probably the former.
I didn't say high major. YOu and Micdrass do realize there are approximately 360 D1 basketball teams? that leaves a lot of room for lower end D1. our motor mouths repeatedly stated the roster was D2, so far one bench warmer and one starter to other d1 teams. filibuster or blather all you want, fact is D1
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Those HC will not last long. They can?t tell a D1 player from D2. Chase is better than Connor.
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I heard the NIL money for him was $40,000.
If I were Miami, I'd have made him pay a lot more.
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If I were Miami, I'd have made him pay a lot more.
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Responding to Marshall mark I had a World History teacher in high school who called Davidson College the "Harvard of the South"
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Well that's two of our non D1 players to D1 schools for our resident talent scouts here
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So he?s good enough to get picked up by a horrible team in a bad conference. Legit.
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So he?s good enough to get picked up by a horrible team in a bad conference. Legit.
Im not advocating Conner's talents, never did. Just pointing out our flawed resident experts that repeatedly share their confident opinions as fact.
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The miami HC is on hot seat with another losing season. He?s 2/2 on losing seasons. He?s having a hard time upgrading talent at Miami. Bad choices on his part. DD of MAC
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FWIW: Conner is still not committed as of this morning per Verbal Commits. There is a thread about him on Hawktalk, but it based on the rumor from this tread and no seems to know if he is being recruited by Miami. Conner was recruited out of high school by Miami and his home is close to Oxford.
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40K is an overpay for Connor.
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what i don't understand is, why does everyone have to get something (NIL)? i don't mean this to be a personal attack at all, but why would anyone give NIL $ to JC? if you think he can contribute to your program, i can see offering him the traditional full-ride. but NIL? he can legit make someone some $ off of his name, image, & likeness??
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what i don't understand is, why does everyone have to get something (NIL)? i don't mean this to be a personal attack at all, but why would anyone give NIL $ to JC? if you think he can contribute to your program, i can see offering him the traditional full-ride. but NIL? he can legit make someone some $ off of his name, image, & likeness??
I have no idea if he was offered 40k, but I wouldn't be surprised.
40k is soon, if not already, going to be bare minimum to have a player on your team. It has nothing to do with getting a return for your business on the players NIL. I'd be willing to bet no NIL payout has seen a positive return for a business, regardless of the team or player.
If we don't find some big NIL money ASAP, we will be below some teams we make fun of before you know it.
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what i don't understand is, why does everyone have to get something (NIL)? i don't mean this to be a personal attack at all, but why would anyone give NIL $ to JC? if you think he can contribute to your program, i can see offering him the traditional full-ride. but NIL? he can legit make someone some $ off of his name, image, & likeness??
That?s the problem with NIL, it has nothing to do with NIL? There are only a handful of players, maybe one or two on most teams that bring any value beyond the value of the brand and team they are playing for. Don?t believe me, ask this question- how many NFL players have big endorsement deals beyond maybe some local restaurants or car dealerships that can?t afford the big names?
The Chiefs are winning a bunch of Superbowls, so obviously a lot of talent. Who besides Mahomes and Kelce have real value in their NIL? Not even most NFL QBs are big endorsement guys. The vast majority of NFL players make their salary and that?s it, or 95% of it. College should be the same, most players just getting scholarships and the other standard perks and the superstars/big personality guys cutting some deals.
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That?s the problem with NIL, it has nothing to do with NIL? There are only a handful of players, maybe one or two on most teams that bring any value beyond the value of the brand and team they are playing for. Don?t believe me, ask this question- how many NFL players have big endorsement deals beyond maybe some local restaurants or car dealerships that can?t afford the big names?
The Chiefs are winning a bunch of Superbowls, so obviously a lot of talent. Who besides Mahomes and Kelce have real value in their NIL? Not even most NFL QBs are big endorsement guys. The vast majority of NFL players make their salary and that?s it, or 95% of it. College should be the same, most players just getting scholarships and the other standard perks and the superstars/big personality guys cutting some deals.
There's some merit in your argument.
However, in citing the Kelce brothers & Mahomes, you're focusing on the national endorsements. Some of the lesser known Chiefs make more than chump change with local endorsements. This is true with the other major leagues.
Presumably that's gonna happen in the D-1 level too.
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There's some merit in your argument.
However, in citing the Kelce brothers & Mahomes, you're focusing on the national endorsements. Some of the lesser known Chiefs make more than chump change with local endorsements. This is true with the other major leagues.
Presumably that's gonna happen in the D-1 level too.
Yeah, but their agents have to get out and hustle them some deals. These college kids just expect it to be handed to them for nothing. If they want NIL they should hire a business manager that will work for a percentage of the deals they put together. A lot of these kids will find out nobody is willing to pay for there NIL.
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Yeah, but their agents have to get out and hustle them some deals. These college kids just expect it to be handed to them for nothing. If they want NIL they should hire a business manager that will work for a percentage of the deals they put together. A lot of these kids will find out nobody is willing to pay for there NIL.
Yeah, probably the case regarding the agents hustling.
However, the major programs will find money for the 'unknowns', because the unknowns add depth...more important along the LOS for FB than in BB, for sure. UGA is paying big bucks for OL & DL.
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NIL is a scam.
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Yeah, but their agents have to get out and hustle them some deals. These college kids just expect it to be handed to them for nothing. If they want NIL they should hire a business manager that will work for a percentage of the deals they put together. A lot of these kids will find out nobody is willing to pay for there NIL.
If they really wanted to share the wealth being made by a few of the biggest programs than they should do just that including the tv money.
For the G5, make the NCAA tourney, share some of money after costs with the players on the team. Marshall FB doesn't make money on bowl trips after expenses as far as I know but if it made the playoff system then there would be money to share. Allow them to have jobs and work their own NIL angle. Most wouldn't make a nickel off their NIL. In fact, i'd say we have maybe 5-10 athletes over last 25-30 years at MU with enough talent and personality to make money off their NIL. Media should just call it what it is which is a bribe. As stated, without the MU uniform hardly anybody would even know who they were. Most casual fans couldn't name 10 athletes at the school, if that.... and we have a pretty strong fanbase.
And it hasn't shown it helps you win at all except maybe in basketball but even then it's too early to draw conclusions. For example, Wichita State, George Mason, VCU, Butler x2, UIC, FAU made deep runs in NCAA tourney without help of NIL. Name any school whose program has had unexpected success since NIL? And do you think NIL will help you keep a coach? Didn't work for FAU, VCU etc. Same programs still dominating the same sports. Your best bet as an institution is still to hire a great coach. If you have a great coach and win, your chances are much better in retaining your best players.
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https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/miami-university/2024/04/24/rutgers-transfer-antwone-woolfolk-commits-to-miami-university-redhawks/73435146007/
This article from today 4-24 on Miami makes no mention of Conner. Miami signed two transfers, one from Xavier and one from Rutgers.
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Seems JC is going to Dayton.
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Seems JC is going to Dayton.
Yes Dayton MBB is showing this on their Twitter page
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Dayton will put muscle on him and put him in his correct position. He will do well there. I've never seen a program like us in the last 10 years that wanted skinny kids and keep them skinny for 4 years.
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So does that mean some of you who dragged little Miami have to drag the Dayton program now?
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So does that mean some of you who dragged little Miami have to drag the Dayton program now?
Don't knock Dayton, it's the Harvard of Southwest Ohio. :)
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Former Marshall assistant basketball coach Anthony Grant is the head coach at Dayton and he took the Flyers to a second round game in the Big Dance this last season.
https://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/alter-grad-commits-to-dayton-after-two-seasons-at-marshall/D3EHHPRY5RBWVCHIHAL6ACZBNA/
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He will be back in portal after next bb season. His brother must be thought of as good.
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https://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1784270549323268599
On his X account, him and his brother are wearing Dayton jerseys.
He will be a senior in 2025, and Marshall was recruiting him, doubt that will go anywhere now.
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So does that mean some of you who dragged little Miami have to drag the Dayton program now?
Crazy they took him
He's terrible
Maybe Grant can turn him into a player
DD sure couldn't
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Crazy they took him
He's terrible
Maybe Grant can turn him into a player
DD sure couldn't
Danny puts players out of position and has no strength program. Remember moving Kinsey to the two from the 3? We had a bad year and we lost 20 games. Then he puts a 6'9" player at PG and we lose 20 games. Conner has ball skills for his size. Needs weight room and playing the 3. Glad he is at home and going to get the coaching and weight room he needs. Great kid.
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Dayton plays a very quick style. Not sure that is the best fit for his skill set. Best of luck to him. Always seemed like a nice kid, who was forced to play out of position.
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Dayton will put muscle on him and put him in his correct position. He will do well there. I've never seen a program like us in the last 10 years that wanted skinny kids and keep them skinny for 4 years.
No surprise there, bust. Danny D. came to MU 60 years ago as a skinny runt, and left after eligibility expired with a degree as a "skinny runt". Came back as a head coach half a century later and was still . . . . . . a "skinny runt"! In terms of strength and conditioning,
Danny Boy's philosophy was, to paraphrase a Mexican bandido in Humphrey Bogart's "Treasure of the Sierra Madre", "we don't need no stinking" muscle!!
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So does that mean some of you who dragged little Miami have to drag the Dayton program now?
Yes. D1
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Crazy they took him
He's terrible
Maybe Grant can turn him into a player
DD sure couldn't
Seems fairly obvious they took him to get his brother. Don't think they care if he plays or not.
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Holy carp, another Marshall player to the A10. A better conference than the SBC. That's 2 Marshall players going to 2 teams who made the dance. Dayton has a good smart basketball coach who will know how to use Connor the right way. Should see some improvement in his game.
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HHS has better players than Jacob Conner
Bench warmer - will be in portal again if brother doesn?t go to Dayton
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I think some of you are short changing Jacob. As bust 2 said he will get better coaching and strength training with probably a better training table. I hope he is successful.
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I think some of you are short changing Jacob. As bust 2 said he will get better coaching and strength training with probably a better training table. I hope he is successful.
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Along with a more realistic role that fits him.