Topic: Re: So, do we still want to get rid of Doc?

[marshallmark]

I've hesitated to respond to this type of thread, again, b/c it serves no more purpose than arguing about whether Trump is good for America or not

Let me say this:  I believe that Marshall has underperformed during Doc's tenure, but just by a bit.  I'm not sure where any of us get the impression that Marshall should be winning the East every year under any circumstances.  For instance:

1.  For those that think MU's resources should allow it to be competitive every year in C-USA, take a look at MU's athletic budget.  Its mid-range in C-USA (and would be, by far, the lowest in any 'upgrade' to the AAC). We don't have a large student body to subsidize the athletic budget (unlike FAU or FIU that only have to put a $10 surcharge on their students to raise 1/2 million).  The Joan is a mediocre facility, and there are several in C-USA better than what we have - unlike 1-AA or MAC days when it was by far the best.
2.  For those that think our talent exceeds our peers, I'd partially agree with that, but that's directly attributable to Doc's recruiting prowess.  FAU and UAB have similar talent, FIU should, Southern Miss/No Texas/Middle Tenn/WKU have in the past and likely will again.  What makes us so special that you think we should have the best talent year after year?  History shows us that its all cyclical, AND success at the D1 level is largely about the QBs that you develop - Cato was a jewel, IG not so much.  Looks like we have a potential great one now, but that's not assured from year to year.
3.  For those that think our tradition should allow us to win every single year - do you think 18 year old kids care about Chad/Byron/Chris Parker/Doug Chapman?  Of course not - they MAY remember Randy, but that's likely only b/c of the "Mossed" segment on ESPN.  Once they get here, I think they can be immersed in what MU football means, but its not going to GET them here unless they're local and we all know how limited that pool is.
4.  Do you think another coach would necessarily pull Marshall to new heights?  Tell that to ECU, Southern Miss, WKU, and Rice, let alone WVU, South Carolina, Penn State, etc.

I bleed green as much or more than anyone on here.  I literally grew up on campus, and watched MU football from 1966 on.  I don't, however, see the program through the rose colored glasses that a lot of you do, and I firmly believe that we should be thanking our lucky stars that we have program stability and the successes we've had under Doc. 

[2xBison]

Edit as Mark has now decided to comply with forum rules

I agree with him, this type of discussion is usually as fruitful as discussing whether Biden is good for America or not

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[marshallmark]

So Biden is?  And why would you insert politics on this board?

 Mods please delete Marks post or move thread.

Otherwise let us know and we can let the political rhetoric rip


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[herdorbust]

I've hesitated to respond to this type of thread, again, b/c it serves no more purpose than arguing about whether Trump is good for America or not (he isn't, btw)

According to the socialists!!! And remember you started this, in case the mods move this thread.

[marshallmark]

I've hesitated to respond to this type of thread, again, b/c it serves no more purpose than arguing about whether Trump is good for America or not (he isn't, btw)

According to the socialists!!! And remember you started this, in case the mods move this thread.

I will stipulate that there are 70 million Americans that disagree with me.  Let's move on

[svherd]

I'll say this. We have a lot of fans who want us to get into this league or do that, yet they don't give one damn dime. As Mark pointed out, we aren't wealthy and it will only get worse as the state money starts to diminish and our large donors pass away from old age. If you want better, step up. I am not a big donor and don't claim to be a super fan; but let's keep things into perspective.

[2xBison]

I will stipulate that there are 70 million Americans that disagree with me.  Let's move on

And not as many as you think agree with you.


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[2xBison]

Edited comments since Mark has decided to follow forum rules.

I also stipulate that the majority of dead voters agree with him

[marshallmark]

And not as many as you think agree with you.


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Move on. 

[herdorbust]

I will stipulate that there are 70 million Americans that disagree with me.  Let's move on

Yes the democratic way. They start it and then say “move on”. Isn’t that nice of you to be such a great peacekeeper!!!

[marshallmark]

Yes the democratic way. They start it and then say “move on”. Isn’t that nice of you to be such a great peacekeeper!!!

You win.  I modified my original post.  Hope that satisfies and we can get back to the more important topic.

[herdorbust]

You win.  I modified my original post.  Hope that satisfies and we can get back to the more important topic.

Thank you so much kind sir!!!

[2xBison]

Move on.

Not a very polite way to ask after YOU inserted politics into the discussion. 

Typical from your side.  I’ll delete my comments since it appears you have now decided (after being called out) to follow forum rules.


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[ThunderValley]

This thread has turned to total BULLCRAP !!!

[The E-Man]

And yet the thread is already on page 3. Therefore, the thread has some merit.  Doc will always be a focus of discussion (some think he is better than Pruett / Donnan, while some think he is Marshall's Nick Saban).

As far as the next hire, I would tell the applicant "Marshall hires coaches that  is required to win 1 Championship in 10 years in an "easy" conference.  Plus, Marshall doesn't fire you after a horrible year (like some schools do...see 2016).  Expectations are to finish 2nd in your division and make bowls games (which ALL new hires would understand).  Football is #1 at Marshall (see budget and facilities).  The AD will rarely make you play money games." 

Oh there would be some "quality" folks knocking on your door who want to use Marshall as a stepping stone.  Doc is mediocre.  Therefore, the next hire could be better or worse.  He is the "Marvin Lewis" of  college football.

This^ +1

[WVpaNC42]

Will we get rid of Doc ?  No.  Should we ?  No.  He has been a good not great coach, upgrade over Snyder(spare me the tougher conf, he made terrible in game decisions)
Can we pay more for a better coach?  Doubtful.  Wells makes him a better coach than he is,  but that's with every coach...

[The E-Man]

Edited comments since Mark has decided to follow forum rules.

I also stipulate that the majority of dead voters agree with him

So 70 million dead voted? well you might want to make that 76 million and counting, lol...

[2xBison]

So 70 million dead voted? well you might want to make that 76 million and counting, lol...

you should slow down and read it again.  that isn't what I said at all.

[The E-Man]

you should slow down and read it again.  that isn't what I said at all.

I read what you said. Biden didn't need any fake or dead voters to win this election in a landslide and by 6 million more votes..

[MicDrass1]

The Joan is the best stadium in CUSA.  We have the best indoor facility in CUSA.  The rest in this league do not compare.  Football should take this league every year.  3/4 years.

[marshallmark]

The Joan is the best stadium in CUSA.  We have the best indoor facility in CUSA.  The rest in this league do not compare.  Football should take this league every year.  3/4 years.

I've seen a lot of them in person.  The Joan would be no better than 4th or 5th, UNLESS you're factoring in atmosphere and capacity.   I was talking about the bricks and mortar, only.  IPF is superb, I agree. 

[herdorbust]

So 70 million dead voted? well you might want to make that 76 million and counting, lol...

Fraud!!! That is why they stopped counting because they saw a Trump landslide coming lol. So they started finding more blallots in the middle of the night. The dems have no shame!!!

[The E-Man]

Fraud!!! That is why they stopped counting because they saw a Trump landslide coming lol. So they started finding more blallots in the middle of the night. The dems have no shame!!!

Not according to the 21 cases brought before Judges, who have all ruled there was no fraud, (21-0!) But if it makes you feel better lying to yourself have fun..

[WVpaNC42]

2nd largest margin since 1996, BUT there was only fraud in the states Trump lost, in one state protestors said keep counting, in the next, stop the count.... it's Trump's own damn fault he told people not do mail in votes.. all of which was legal in all 50 states.. they will never stop listening to their leader, so facts are meaningless..

Not according to the 21 cases brought before Judges, who have all ruled there was no fraud, (21-0!) But if it makes you feel better lying to yourself have fun..

[2xBison]

2nd largest margin since 1996, BUT there was only fraud in the states Trump lost, in one state protestors said keep counting, in the next, stop the count.... it's Trump's own damn fault he told people not do mail in votes.. all of which was legal in all 50 states.. they will never stop listening to their leader, so facts are meaningless..

funny how all the voting irregularities happened in most of the battle ground states.  funny how they have all similar patterns in the middle of the night.  funny how many of them are statistically improbably if not impossible.

nothing makes sense about the top of the ticket with the down ballot success of Rs.  the democratic platform was rejected by the american public but Trump lost?  well maybe, if so, orange man bad goes a long way but most of this doesn't make sense relative to historical elections (see FL and OH as bell weather states that actually know how to count ballots)  or even by statistical analysis.

we'll see.  I'm waiting to see how this plays out.