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Title: David Early
Post by: GreenWhite on February 16, 2023, 06:43:20 PM
Not seeing him in workouts. Anybody know why?
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: gochneaur645 on February 16, 2023, 06:51:00 PM
He's off the team for personal reasons.

https://twitter.com/LukeCreasy/status/1626365321501368320
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: coalherd on February 16, 2023, 07:31:16 PM
Wish him all the best in the Mountain East Conference.  Hopefully, Danny D. won't waste his scholarship on another "project"!  Hopefully he can say "PORTAL"!!
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herd2win on February 16, 2023, 09:06:01 PM
Early should have gotten more playing time.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: svherd on February 16, 2023, 09:07:13 PM
Wish him the best
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: BraveSaintStuart on February 16, 2023, 09:31:47 PM
Wish him all the best in the Mountain East Conference.  Hopefully, Danny D. won't waste his scholarship on another "project"!  Hopefully he can say "PORTAL"!!

All well and good, I suppose, but the portal is very likely a project.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: DC01HERD on February 16, 2023, 09:39:22 PM
Wish him all the best in the Mountain East Conference.  Hopefully, Danny D. won't waste his scholarship on another "project"!  Hopefully he can say "PORTAL"!!

12 for Georgia Southern would be awesome for us.

Sucks for Early. Wish him the best.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: MUonium on February 16, 2023, 09:39:31 PM
i hate that for him.  it's got to be tough to have to leave a team that's got a real shot to win the con tourney and more.  best to a good guy.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: whf on February 16, 2023, 09:53:25 PM
IMHO, this really sucks.  If family related personal reasons, but if Herd Basketball personal reasons, it is terrible.

If he chose to leave the team and not play basketball due to lack of interest, well OK. But I don't believe that for a minute.

Best wishes to a good Marshall kid, would love to see him in Spring Practice; any chance of that?
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Herdmeister on February 16, 2023, 10:04:09 PM
IMHO, this really sucks.  If family related personal reasons, but if Herd Basketball personal reasons, it is terrible.

If he chose to leave the team and not play basketball due to lack of interest, well OK. But I don't believe that for a minute.

Best wishes to a good Marshall kid, would love to see him in Spring Practice; any chance of that?
Not family issue.

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Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Thundering In MD on February 16, 2023, 10:08:48 PM
Best of luck to Early in his next venture.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: The E-Man on February 16, 2023, 10:08:59 PM
Not family issue.

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Let me guess, lack of playing time?
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: MUonium on February 16, 2023, 10:16:50 PM
if he got dismissed then he let his team down at a critical time.  now i've lost respect for him.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Herdmeister on February 16, 2023, 10:17:13 PM
Let me guess, lack of playing time?
He was dismissed. Not his choice.
There was an issue

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Title: Re: David Early
Post by: GreenWhite on February 16, 2023, 10:20:00 PM
I would say it hurts our depth, but he didn't play much up to this point. I saw something where he appeared in 13 games this season. Whatever the issue was, I'm guessing it goes back to his lack of playing time.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Garbanjo on February 16, 2023, 10:34:37 PM
He was dismissed. Not his choice.
There was an issue

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If what I heard is true it's really bad

Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herd1990 on February 16, 2023, 10:48:25 PM
If what I heard is true it's really bad

Care to PM what you heard? 
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Garbanjo on February 16, 2023, 11:28:53 PM
Care to PM what you heard?

No I'm not comfortable with that since I'm not sure about this source

Let's just hope it's not true
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Rockin Herd Fan on February 17, 2023, 08:16:02 AM
From a logistical standpoint this opens up an additional scholarship next season.  I hope Danny can take advantage of it and bring in someone who can contribute right away. 
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Herdalum83 on February 17, 2023, 09:35:19 AM
Early made a bad choice, violated team rules, and now is going to have to deal with the punishment of no longer being a part of the Herd.

Maybe, it was this kind of off-court/behind-the-scenes stuff that was hindering Early's playing time to begin with.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: JReese on February 17, 2023, 10:17:03 AM
If what I heard is true it's really bad

Yep...so far not confirmed, but REALLY bad.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: MUonium on February 17, 2023, 10:50:26 AM
i hope it's not broke the law bad/hurt someone bad
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: elginherd on February 17, 2023, 11:31:38 AM
Early should have gotten more playing time.

If the coaching staff was convinced that Early was a better option than Cooner or Fricks off of the bench, he would've got more minutes. Contrary to what some people on here say, the coaching staff spends a lot of time (really the team does too) in tape analysis. That includes practice.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herdfan129 on February 17, 2023, 11:33:39 AM
Yep...so far not confirmed, but REALLY bad.

Then you all need to stop posting about it. It doesn?t help anything to post that it?s unconfirmed but REALLY bad if true, but you can?t/won?t post what it COULD be.

This isn?t only directed toward you Reese. This is just the most recent post I saw saying this. Either say what it is or don?t say anything. My definition of REALLY bad could be different from yours.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herdfan129 on February 17, 2023, 11:34:57 AM
Early made a bad choice, violated team rules, and now is going to have to deal with the punishment of no longer being a part of the Herd.

Maybe, it was this kind of off-court/behind-the-scenes stuff that was hindering Early's playing time to begin with.


BS? the kid produced when he had the chance to play. DD stuck him in the doghouse and never let him out. Maybe he would have followed the rules more closely if he wasn?t getting dicked out of playing time.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herdorbust2 on February 17, 2023, 11:40:15 AM
If the coaching staff was convinced that Early was a better option than Cooner or Fricks off of the bench, he would've got more minutes. Contrary to what some people on here say, the coaching staff spends a lot of time (really the team does too) in tape analysis. That includes practice.

We just don't have an option at this point for "quality" depth. I thought by this point Conner and Fricks would really be coming on. I still some potential in Conner and hope at some point it clicks. But Fricks just isn't improving at all. Honestly at this point Goran may be the better option over Fricks. But he still is very shaky at times but does give you a stronger body and better offense around the rim if he can hold onto it. We really need another solid guard on this team imo.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: thunderingon on February 17, 2023, 11:47:07 AM

BS? the kid produced when he had the chance to play. DD stuck him in the doghouse and never let him out. Maybe he would have followed the rules more closely if he wasn?t getting weenieed out of playing time.

I wanted Early to succeed.  But are you really willing to let your dislike for DD lead you to this conclusion?  Where's the personal accountability?  You most likely have no idea what he did and furthermore, you have very little idea of what led to him playing or not playing.  Maybe this wasn't the first strike, maybe he didn't bring it at practice every day.  There are a lot of things we don't know.  Absolutely ridiculous post. 
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herdfan129 on February 17, 2023, 12:30:41 PM
I wanted Early to succeed.  But are you really willing to let your dislike for DD lead you to this conclusion?  Where's the personal accountability?  You most likely have no idea what he did and furthermore, you have very little idea of what led to him playing or not playing.  Maybe this wasn't the first strike, maybe he didn't bring it at practice every day.  There are a lot of things we don't know.  Absolutely ridiculous post.


Oh piss off. I don?t care about practice. Early produced in the games but sat the last few years while DD tried to force Marko in to playing time.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: MidlandKnight on February 17, 2023, 12:45:56 PM
Early should have got more playing time and there were times we could of really used him. I was always a proponent of David Early while he was on the team, that was while he was on team. He is no longer on the team, because "HE", not DD chose to break the rules. I don't give a damn if it was being late for practice, "HE" knew the rules. I don't give a Damn if he broke the rules because he was pouting about playing time, "HE" knew the rules. I am 100% behind DD on this.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Herdalum83 on February 17, 2023, 12:56:34 PM

BS? the kid produced when he had the chance to play. DD stuck him in the doghouse and never let him out. Maybe he would have followed the rules more closely if he wasn?t getting weenieed out of playing time.

Maybe, or maybe there were other issues before the one that got him kicked off that team that gave DD pause about playing time.

I agree when Early got to play he seemed to play hard and was mostly productive. However, you nor I are in the locker room, practice, film sessions, etc to see everything going on behind the scenes.

One thing no one can dispute about DD is he has by and large recruited good kids, who stay out of trouble, make decent grades, are well-spoken, and generally positive representatives of Marshall University. He doesn't put basketball over being a good citizen and teammate. I'm just saying depending on exactly what Early did, it's totally feasible that perhaps HE was to blame for his lack of playing time and not DD.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Stripeshrt on February 17, 2023, 01:00:45 PM
IMO David Early was a MEC player or even a lower Div FB player. This was one of DD "304"saves just like the kid from Mingo Cty was. When you tell a kid hes "D-1 material and he just isnt, again IMO, your doing a disservice to the kid. He coulda went to WVA St, Tech, any of those places,  got an education and played in 25 games a year. UPike, Georgetown, Shawnee have all won Natty titles with kids who thought they were D-1!
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: goherd24 on February 17, 2023, 01:07:23 PM
IMO David Early was a MEC player or even a lower Div FB player. This was one of DD "304"saves just like the kid from Mingo Cty was. When you tell a kid hes "D-1 material and he just isnt, again IMO, your doing a disservice to the kid. He coulda went to WVA St, Tech, any of those places,  got an education and played in 25 games a year. UPike, Georgetown, Shawnee have all won Natty titles with kids who thought they were D-1!

He was a 3 star basketball recruit, which is a nice ranking for a basketball recruit. He had Duquesne, Ohio, Robert Morris interested and offered i believe, and at one time even WVU but they backed off for "character reasons" i was told.

He definitely could have helped us and I don't care what anyone says about Dan loving David, and his family, he was in the doghouse for some reason, whatever it was, and I wish Early luck wherever he goes.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: thunderingon on February 17, 2023, 01:22:33 PM

I don?t care about practice.

Really?  Have you ever coached anything?   I stand by what I said.  You and I have no idea know very little of what goes on behind the scenes.  There is more to being a teammate and D1 player than just showing up for the games.  Was it practice performance, was it academics, was it being a poor citizen or representative of the team and the University?  I don't know and I don't think you do either, but still completely willing to blame everything on the coach?   
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: MicDrass1 on February 17, 2023, 01:54:08 PM
Braun is better
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herdfan129 on February 17, 2023, 02:07:41 PM
Early should have got more playing time and there were times we could of really used him. I was always a proponent of David Early while he was on the team, that was while he was on team. He is no longer on the team, because "HE", not DD chose to break the rules. I don't give a damn if it was being late for practice, "HE" knew the rules. I don't give a Damn if he broke the rules because he was pouting about playing time, "HE" knew the rules. I am 100% behind DD on this.

I can agree with this 100%.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herdorbust2 on February 17, 2023, 05:55:46 PM
I just heard why Early left. It's bound to come out and it's really bad as some have said. And as some said if it's totally true.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herd1990 on February 17, 2023, 06:51:39 PM
I just heard why Early left. It's bound to come out and it's really bad as some have said. And as some said if it's totally true.

This board is full of rumors and speculation.  Not sure why someone can't share what they've heard.  If it's proven untrue later, great.  If not, so be it.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herdfan129 on February 17, 2023, 06:56:00 PM
Once again, if you aren?t going to say what it COULD be then don?t comment on the situation.

Title: Re: David Early
Post by: gochneaur645 on February 17, 2023, 07:06:51 PM
This board is full of rumors and speculation.  Not sure why someone can't share what they've heard.  If it's proven untrue later, great.  If not, so be it.

What I've heard is bad enough to where posting it could possibly be subject to a libel lawsuit if it turned out to be just a rumor gone wild.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herd1990 on February 17, 2023, 07:13:46 PM
What I've heard is bad enough to where posting it could possibly be subject to a libel lawsuit if it turned out to be just a rumor gone wild.

Not if you start your post with, "Allegedly......"
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: wasbarryb on February 17, 2023, 07:26:38 PM
At least a broad generalization of what is going on would be fair for us distant fans without Huntington connections.

Something as broad as Sex or Drugs or Rock and roll?
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Herdalum83 on February 17, 2023, 08:39:37 PM
What I've heard is bad enough to where posting it could possibly be subject to a libel lawsuit if it turned out to be just a rumor gone wild.

For it to be libel it has to be written/published as a statement of fact. If it was published as something that is being alleged to have occurred and not something known for a fact to have occurred. Then it can't be libel.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herd2win on February 17, 2023, 09:51:16 PM
There is really no such thing as libel any longer.  It used to be that a reporter would not write an article without verifying sources.  Now it is the wild Wild West where anything can be said without consequence.

Our government lies 3/4 of the time.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: gochneaur645 on February 17, 2023, 10:14:21 PM
For it to be libel it has to be written/published as a statement of fact. If it was published as something that is being alleged to have occurred and not something known for a fact to have occurred. Then it can't be libel.

That's not true in all cases. When newspapers use the word "allegedly," it's almost always after someone has been formally charged with a crime. But you can't just tack that word onto some wild rumor you or someone else made up and be 100% free of any legal consequences.

Even aside from the (admittedly small) chance of those consequences, I imagine those in this thread choosing not to comment would just feel wrong publicly associating the action in question to his name if it's not true.

But did it happen? Based on all the different sources in this thread, I'd say yeah probably.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: coalherd on February 17, 2023, 10:43:11 PM
Maybe, or maybe there were other issues before the one that got him kicked off that team that gave DD pause about playing time.

I agree when Early got to play he seemed to play hard and was mostly productive. However, you nor I are in the locker room, practice, film sessions, etc to see everything going on behind the scenes.

One thing no one can dispute about DD is he has by and large recruited good kids, who stay out of trouble, make decent grades, are well-spoken, and generally positive representatives of Marshall University. He doesn't put basketball over being a good citizen and teammate. I'm just saying depending on exactly what Early did, it's totally feasible that perhaps HE was to blame for his lack of playing time and not DD.

All well and good, 83, don't dispute your "character" assessment of DD's recruited players.  But his job also requires that he recruits them for the "talent" and ability to play the game of basketball at a level of proficiency at the D1 level to produce the kind of MU team that is desired.  What good does it to do for that aspect of your program to have 5 or 6 "choir boys" sitting on your bench who, when put on the floor in game action, can't walk and breathe at the same time, much less play basketball.  We have a depth issue at spots because too many players that have been recruited to the program just aren't capable of contributing sufficiently when call upon to do so.  That applies to some players who have been in the program for 3 or 4 years and, unfortunately, seems applicable to some of our recent recruits/newcomers as well!!
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Herdmeister on February 18, 2023, 06:38:54 AM

Oh piss off. I don?t care about practice. Early produced in the games but sat the last few years while DD tried to force Marko in to playing time.

He produced on the offensive end but gave it back on the defensive end. Look at the tape.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herd2win on February 18, 2023, 08:46:16 AM
He produced on the offensive end but gave it back on the defensive end. Look at the tape.

No one plays defense on our team.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Herdalum83 on February 18, 2023, 08:49:09 AM
There is really no such thing as libel any longer.  It used to be that a reporter would not write an article without verifying sources.  Now it is the wild Wild West where anything can be said without consequence.

Our government lies 3/4 of the time.

No libel is very much a thing still. Libel lawsuits occur all the time and people win them a lot. However, proving libel against public figures is almost impossible (intentionally so) because thanks to the Supreme Court Case of New York Times vs. Sulivan public figures have to prove an extra layer of fault called "Actual Malice" which basically comes down to not only do you have to prove that what was published about you was false, but you have to prove that those who wrote it/published it knew it was false when they did and did it with the intent to do harm. Which is extremely hard to prove in a court of law beyond a shadow of a doubt.

The 24-hour news cycle is the absolute worst thing that ever happened to journalism for lots of reasons and I could write an entire research paper on the subject in this thread (It's actually what I did do my Journalism Capstone paper on when I graduated MU) but for here I'll keep it short. It has ruined journalism and ushered in a second age of Yellow Journalism this one mostly on TV news networks because

1. Before the 24-hour news cycle reporters only had the morning news and the evening news on television which gave them plenty of time to gather facts before going to air. Now the news is constant and the networks want constant information coming in even though that's not how information works, it often takes time for even officials or authorities to piece together the details of important events or crimes and this leads to speculation to fill air time.

2. Because there isn't actually 24-hours worth of news, these 24-hour news stations have to find a way to fill all that airtime, so the main way they do it is through Pundits. People who aren't reporters and almost always have some type of built-in bias, that are hired not to report the news but to give their opinion on news topics. If you turn on CNN or Fox News or any of the 24-hour "news" networks who you see on your TV screen is almost never an actual journalist and what your watching is almost never the news despite what the station's name indicates. It's almost always a pundit giving their opinion on some topic and not giving the audience the facts.

There is a lot more to why the 24-hour cycle has killed traditional journalism but those are two of the bigger ones. And I teach a media program to HS-aged kids, they are a little better at recognizing opinions from fact-based reporting and pundits from reporters than say, their grandparents are because they have grown up with news in this cycle their whole lives. But, they still aren't very good at it, and that's on purpose the networks do a good job of intentionally blurring the line between opinion and fact and pushing their biases into their programming. It's all about the ratings though and as long as these networks do well enough there, they have no reason to change. Journalism is on life support.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Herdalum83 on February 18, 2023, 08:54:39 AM
That's not true in all cases. When newspapers use the word "allegedly," it's almost always after someone has been formally charged with a crime. But you can't just tack that word onto some wild rumor you or someone else made up and be 100% free of any legal consequences.

Even aside from the (admittedly small) chance of those consequences, I imagine those in this thread choosing not to comment would just feel wrong publicly associating the action in question to his name if it's not true.

But did it happen? Based on all the different sources in this thread, I'd say yeah probably.

I'm not saying you can just tack allegedly onto anything and automatically be Scott-free. But, whatever you say still has to be said as a statement of fact. If it is not presented that way it can not be libel. It is sometimes more tactful than just simply saying "allegedly" but, if something is presented as just a rumor and you do not have any idea on the factual nature of it, then you are pretty clear of libel.

With that said, just because you'd win a libel suit, doesn't mean you can't be sued for it. And no one wants to go to court if they can prevent it, even if they'd win. Plus, if whatever Early did is as bad as what people on here are insinuating, it's only a matter of time before it comes out to the public. So if everyone is patient, we will find out soon enough.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: girthyherdon on February 18, 2023, 08:57:57 AM
He produced on the offensive end but gave it back on the defensive end. Look at the tape.
Such BS. Micah gets abused in the paint and gets plenty of minutes. Curfman, Fricks and Conner get heavy playing time but can't keep their man in front of them. There is tape of that also.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Refiners on February 18, 2023, 09:58:06 AM
I have no idea what the circumstances are surrounding the dismissal. I?m sure that the curiosity in all of us wonder what led to him no longer being a part of our team. That being said, what purpose does it serve to drag rumors and/or accusations of the wrongdoing of this young man to a message board? If it is truly newsworthy, it will come out in due time. Hopefully, we would not want our, or our children?s actions, being scrutinized on a public message board.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: MidlandKnight on February 18, 2023, 10:32:28 AM
Such BS. Micah gets abused in the paint and gets plenty of minutes. Curfman, Fricks and Conner get heavy playing time but can't keep their man in front of them. There is tape of that also.

Agree. Although I would not have agreed with it, I could of bought had he said " His offensive output doesn't offset his defensive liabilities". To say Early's defense is the reason he didn't play is being disingenuous, Curfman struggles because of his size, and quite honestly Andy's defense of late has been nothing to write home about. How do you play 39 minutes in a game that has 51 fouls and not have one foul? My personal opinion is he is tired and saving his legs for the offensive end. Danny even alluded to the case after one of his press conferences.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Herdalum83 on February 18, 2023, 10:49:30 AM
Agree. Although I would not have agreed with it, I could of bought had he said " His offensive output doesn't offset his defensive liabilities". To say Early's defense is the reason he didn't play is being disingenuous, Curfman struggles because of his size, and quite honestly Andy's defense of late has been nothing to write home about. How do you play 39 minutes in a game that has 51 fouls and not have one foul? My personal opinion is he is tired and saving his legs for the offensive end. Danny even alluded to the case after one of his press conferences.

Curfman struggles at times defensively, but I actually think Curfman is a much better defender than he gets credit for being. He plays pretty hard on that end. He and Andy both struggle with really quick guards though.

And Andy as I said struggles with quick guards, but he's also opportunistic. He leads the Sun Belt in steals per game. Really our defense as a whole is pretty opportunistic. It has its weaknesses but it is pretty good at creating turnovers. We are 33rd nationally in that category forcing over 15 turnovers a game.

Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herdorbust2 on February 18, 2023, 10:52:42 AM
Curfman struggles at times defensively, but I actually think Curfman is a much better defender than he gets credit for being. He plays pretty hard on that end. He and Andy both struggle with really quick guards though.

And Andy as I said struggles with quick guards, but he's also opportunistic. He leads the Sun Belt in steals per game. Really our defense as a whole is pretty opportunistic. It has its weaknesses but it is pretty good at creating turnovers. We are 33rd nationally in that category forcing over 15 turnovers a game.

The defense the first half of the season was much better than it has been lately. Maybe lack of depth has orb them down. But they were rotating and closing out on shooters much better. And we were doing a much better job on the boards as well.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Thundering In MD on February 18, 2023, 12:44:34 PM
Do we know whether Early was dismissed just from MBB team, or the University?
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: HaveUherd on February 18, 2023, 04:19:12 PM
Well if you were ever on the fence about joining the premium board...

No one's spilling anything over there either.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Herdalum83 on February 18, 2023, 04:22:20 PM
Well if you were ever on the fence about joining the premium board...

No one's spilling anything over there either.

There is barely ever any discussion at all on the premium board
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: goherd24 on February 18, 2023, 04:30:08 PM
There is barely ever any discussion at all on the premium board

That board died with Morph, rest his soul. I post occasional stuff over there, but it's mostly useless
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: goherd24 on February 18, 2023, 04:35:55 PM
I'm not saying you can just tack allegedly onto anything and automatically be Scott-free. But, whatever you say still has to be said as a statement of fact. If it is not presented that way it can not be libel. It is sometimes more tactful than just simply saying "allegedly" but, if something is presented as just a rumor and you do not have any idea on the factual nature of it, then you are pretty clear of libel.

With that said, just because you'd win a libel suit, doesn't mean you can't be sued for it. And no one wants to go to court if they can prevent it, even if they'd win. Plus, if whatever Early did is as bad as what people on here are insinuating, it's only a matter of time before it comes out to the public. So if everyone is patient, we will find out soon enough.

Dealt with this plenty in business and otherwise. And absolutely, spot on. The first thing is saying "i think he may have" or "maybe" or "I heard" or alledgedly, etc. Anything that doesn't make what you are saying a fact and that's it. Had less than scrupulous ex-clients and business partners in the past walk that line like a pro too.

Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herd1990 on February 18, 2023, 06:42:57 PM
That board died with Morph, rest his soul. I post occasional stuff over there, but it's mostly useless

The premium board is dormant.  Never any useful info on there.   But I don't mind giving Wolf $12 to help keep this site going.   Money well spent.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Herdmeister on February 18, 2023, 09:59:07 PM
Such BS. Micah gets abused in the paint and gets plenty of minutes. Curfman, Fricks and Conner get heavy playing time but can't keep their man in front of them. There is tape of that also.
It's now a moot point

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Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Herdmeister on February 18, 2023, 10:00:33 PM
Do we know whether Early was dismissed just from MBB team, or the University?
Basketball

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Title: Re: David Early
Post by: beau42m on February 19, 2023, 02:41:22 AM
Best wishes to David Early.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herdfan129 on February 19, 2023, 10:37:28 AM
He produced on the offensive end but gave it back on the defensive end. Look at the tape.


Stop with this non sense. Marko couldn?t guard my grandma and launches enough bricks to rebuild the Cam, but he played over Early all last year. It was OBVIOUS DD was playing favorites.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herdfan129 on February 19, 2023, 10:42:20 AM
Well if you were ever on the fence about joining the premium board...

No one's spilling anything over there either.

Haven?t got a long time now. That?s why I dropped the membership. I had my post removed when I shared info about Chase Litton around 2018 and the board has never been the same since.

This is still the best message board not saying that, but the premium board is no longer an insider board. It?s pointless.

After Morph died the practice reports died as well. That was the true nail in the coffin if you will.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Herdalum83 on February 19, 2023, 10:46:18 AM

Stop with this non sense. Marko couldn?t guard my grandma and launches enough bricks to rebuild the Cam, but he played over Early all last year. It was OBVIOUS DD was playing favorites.

Marko did not play over Early last year. Early played in all 32 games making 11 starts. Marko played in 28 games and made 0 starts.

Early played 602 minutes and Marko played 392 minutes. Early played 19 minutes per game and Marko played 14 minutes per game.

Early had plenty of opportunity last year and played decently averaging 5 points, 2 rebounds, and 1.5 assists per game, but not spectacular. This year Early didn't get as many opportunities but had some good moments and I do agree from what he did on the court should have been given a few more minutes against the right competition. His strength and ability to finish through contact was needed in certain games. But, Early also wasn't setting the world on fire and made just as many mistakes as he did good plays.

Again, I think he could have gotten and should have gotten a few more minutes. Especially in certain situations where his physicality would be an asset. But, he was never going to be more than the 7th or 8th man off the bench on this team, this year.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herdfan129 on February 19, 2023, 10:48:17 AM
There were multiple games last year where Marko played over Early.

Marko is terrible. Anyone defending a single minute if playing time for Marko loses credibility. We would be better off with 4 people on the floor.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Herdalum83 on February 19, 2023, 10:54:59 AM
There were multiple games last year where Marko played over Early.

Marko is terrible. Anyone defending a single minute if playing time for Marko loses credibility. We would be better off with 4 people on the floor.

Who is defending his playing time?

14 mpg was way too many for Marko, I agree. We were also terrible last year. Marko has hardly seen the floor this year, which may be one of the biggest reasons for our improvement, is we've been able to keep Marko on the bench.

But, it's just not factually accurate to say that Marko played over early. Early was given 11 starts and more than 200 more minutes worth of opportunity than Marko was last year. Sadly for Early when you look at their averages, he didn't outperform Marko by that much, at least not statistically.

Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herdfan129 on February 19, 2023, 11:06:28 AM
Who is defending his playing time?

14 mpg was way too many for Marko, I agree. We were also terrible last year. Marko has hardly seen the floor this year, which may be one of the biggest reasons for our improvement, is we've been able to keep Marko on the bench.

But, it's just not factually accurate to say that Marko played over early. Early was given 11 starts and more than 200 more minutes worth of opportunity than Marko was last year. Sadly for Early when you look at their averages, he didn't outperform Marko by that much, at least not statistically.


There were countless debates last year about this. At the end of the year, Marko was playing in front of Early. That?s a fact.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Herdalum83 on February 19, 2023, 11:16:27 AM

There were countless debates last year about this. At the end of the year, Marko was playing in front of Early. That?s a fact.

Marko being 6-7 and more of a forward than a guard, was the only reason in the very few games he got in more than Early, that he did. That's another one of the reasons this year that Fricks has played more than Early. Early is a guard and can't play any other position and we rarely pull our 1-3 position players off the floor. He was limited in his playing time by position.

Again, I agree with you that at least from what we saw on the floor (no idea what was going on behind the scenes, since he's been kicked off I still think it's totally conceivable that off-the-court issues could have also hurt his playing time) that there were games when he could have and should have gotten a few more minutes. Especially games where we could have used his physicality and strength.

But, again, Early was never going to get a ton of minutes this year. 6-10 minutes a game at most.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Thundering In MD on February 19, 2023, 01:47:56 PM
Basketball

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Thank you.  Looks like whatever transpired did not get him either into West Regional or kicked out of the university.  Basketball wise, I think we will be OK without him.  Life wise, I hope the kid will learn and grow.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Always THE HERD on February 23, 2023, 12:06:35 PM
is there any public news as to why David Early is no longer on the team and will he have an opportunity to rejoin the team next year? He seemed like such a nice person (at least to me).
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: Herdalum83 on February 23, 2023, 03:32:20 PM
is there any public news as to why David Early is no longer on the team and will he have an opportunity to rejoin the team next year? He seemed like such a nice person (at least to me).

From what I have heard, David Early was involved in something that could have and could still have legal repercussions. I'd say there is no chance of him rejoining the team unless he is totally cleared of any wrong doing in that situation.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: tnherdfan on February 23, 2023, 04:41:53 PM
Maybe he can transfer to Alabama. 😂
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: 2xBison on February 23, 2023, 04:59:09 PM

There were countless debates last year about this. At the end of the year, Marko was playing in front of Early. That?s a fact.

well last year is gone and this is this year and Marko doesn't play at all and Early played minimally and is now off the team.

might be time to move on for you.  also, we play for the regular season title of this year tomorrow night.

I don't get it, we up for title you still upset over last year over a guys PT that's not on team and Bust is already upset about what might happen next year.  let's enjoy right here right now.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herdorbust2 on February 23, 2023, 05:11:37 PM
well last year is gone and this is this year and Marko doesn't play at all and Early played minimally and is now off the team.

might be time to move on for you.  also, we play for the regular season title of this year tomorrow night.

I don't get it, we up for title you still upset over last year over a guys PT that's not on team and Bust is already upset about what might happen next year.  let's enjoy right here right now.

Let's build a program and not a year.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: coalherd on February 23, 2023, 07:42:49 PM
Let's build a program and not a year.

Ummm, isn't that the stated aim for MU Men's Basketball given by Danny D'Antoni when hired over NINE YEARS ago, bust??  Hopefully, this season, #9, is the START of Danny D's avowed GOAL, albeit nearly a decade LATE!!
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herdfan129 on February 23, 2023, 10:02:45 PM
well last year is gone and this is this year and Marko doesn't play at all and Early played minimally and is now off the team.

might be time to move on for you.  also, we play for the regular season title of this year tomorrow night.

I don't get it, we up for title you still upset over last year over a guys PT that's not on team and Bust is already upset about what might happen next year.  let's enjoy right here right now.


This was from the 19th? like 5 days ago at this point lol

Early > Marko and that?s a fact.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: herdorbust2 on February 23, 2023, 10:05:42 PM

This was from the 19th? like 5 days ago at this point lol

Early > Marko and that?s a fact.

Early is gone and won't be back. So it's mute at this point.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: 2xBison on February 23, 2023, 10:51:18 PM

This was from the 19th? like 5 days ago at this point lol

Early > Marko and that?s a fact.
No one cares which one is better.  Got it?


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Title: Re: David Early
Post by: pembrook burrows III on February 23, 2023, 11:11:45 PM
Right. Nobody cares.
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: TomorrowHERD on February 24, 2023, 06:20:17 AM
REALLY bad huh??? 



Did he misgender someone?? 
Title: Re: David Early
Post by: miltonherdfan on February 24, 2023, 08:48:59 AM
REALLY bad huh??? 



Did he misgender someone??



hahahahahaha  that's probably what it was!