Topic: Holliday wants team to learn from mistakes

[biggreenarms]

"Hopefully, we learned our lesson from the Middle Tennessee game," Holliday said. "We played extremely well against Middle Tennessee - an emotional game and played well - and came back the next week and didn't play very well. Part of a young team growing up is that you'd better learn from your mistakes."

The Herd must have energy early and start fast against a tough UTSA team.

"We talked about that (Monday) night," Holliday said. "We'll find out how mature we are as a football team and see if we can take that next step as a young team by making sure we do a great job with our preparation and going to play this game the way it's supposed to be played. That's already been addressed with them. They understand that for us to have a chance to go win this game, we have to be prepared to go play and go play our best game."

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/marshall_sports/holliday-wants-team-to-learn-from-mistakes/article_77f70aca-2221-5643-8d4e-b1e439294f0a.html

[biggreenarms]

"Learn from your mistakes", "have energy and start fast", "preparation"? How about providing an offensive game plan that's not scribbled with a crayon.

[THECHAMPISHERE]

"part of a young team..." BARF

8 years in and Doc still has a young team. Excuses. Excuses. Excuses.

[herdfan129]

"part of a young team..." BARF

8 years in and Doc still has a young team. Excuses. Excuses. Excuses.

I was thinking the same thing. Heck, he should be fired for this fact alone.

Cato's SR year is the only year I can remember where we were not "young."

[Buffalo Bop]

This is what I’ve been thinking. After a big win, the following week we are flat. Check our performances against Charlotte and FIU.

This is what Doc is trying to guard against after an emotional win over WKU.

Same thing happened to Ohio last night against Akron, which followed their biggest win of the season over Toledo!

A must-read article from Grant.

[2xBison]

after 8 years, I can't help but wish Doc would learn from his mistakes.

[ThunderValley]

It's hard to be a young team for 8 years in a row. ::)

[svherd]

I'd say you can almost guarantee we come out flat Saturday. Defense and special teams will have to win this game for us. 

[CoachMaclid]

Mistake #1.  Returning with an Offensive Coordinator everyone agreed needed to be let go after two full years of trying to an identity.

How to Learn from it: Do not return next year with an offensive coordinator everyone agrees needs to be let go after three full years of trying to find an identity.

[The E-Man]

After 8 years if Doc hasn't learned now, more than likely he will not.

[goherd24]

If Doc could learn from his own mistakes, we would have either a new OC, maybe an entirely different looking roster (with all the talent he misjudges and buries on the depth chart), or Doc would be coaching at a p5.  Sadly, he doesn't learn.

[whf]

24, why do you think it is Doc that misjudges and burries talent on the depth chart? Who do you think should be playing right now that is not, that is better than the person currently playing their position?  Who left that you think was better than the person that replaced them?

[The E-Man]

24, why do you think it is Doc that misjudges and burries talent on the depth chart? Who do you think should be playing right now that is not, that is better than the person currently playing their position?  Who left that you think was better than the person that replaced them?

One player comes to mind that Doc wasn't even aware of his talents, yet he was a great running back in high school and that's Rockhead Johnson. Doc Had Rockhead playing tight end, it has to make you wonder about other "special talents" that he can't see.

[HerdHead]

24, why do you think it is Doc that misjudges and burries talent on the depth chart? Who do you think should be playing right now that is not, that is better than the person currently playing their position?  Who left that you think was better than the person that replaced them?

Tomell One, the big DT, was a starter and a captain one week and was gone from the program the next at mid-season last year.

Our long snapper quit in mid-week!  Just didn't show up!  We have had numerous difficulties with snaps on FG attempts this year.

Speaking of FG attempts, how about Grayson Pontious, Cole Phillips, Nick Smith, Amareto Curraj, or any other kicker we had on scholarship in '16 or '17?

Darian Owens was a 4-star highly-hyped receiver, originally committed to UCLA, who abruptly left after summer camp.  With injuries to our WR's last week, don't you think he would have played?  Isn't he better than a walk-on?

Our secondary stunk in 2016.  A.J. Legget was a 4-star starter who abruptly left.  Tiquan Lang was a starter and basically won the Purdue game for us... booted.  Nickel back starter Antavis Rowe just disappeared.  Speedy Howard was a guaranteed starter who redshirted then left the program.

Our offensive line stunk last year.  Cody Collins abruptly quit in about Week 4.  Speaking of offensive linemen, what about starting OT Fred Binot, who left after the season?

RB Trey Rodriguez abruptly left after Game 3.  Either he was good enough to start or he wasn't.  Our staff started him for 3 weeks.

Former starters at LB just left... Stefan Houston and Raheim Huskey.

[whf]

My question was who was better than someone playing in front of them that didn't play.

Nice list of those who left, don't see any/many that were sitting behind someone else not as good as them. Lang got in big time trouble. One left entirely on his own, as did the snapper (who was from us this way and just gave up on football). 

A lot of this list got into legal trouble.

I thought some might say Yulee, etc. But I didn't see that.

[MicDrass1]

My question was who was better than someone playing in front of them that didn't play.

Nice list of those who left, don't see any/many that were sitting behind someone else not as good as them. Lang got in big time trouble. One left entirely on his own, as did the snapper (who was from us this way and just gave up on football). 

A lot of this list got into legal trouble.

I thought some might say Yulee, etc. But I didn't see that.

Sapp is better than Allen

[whf]

I thought he was hurt, maybe not. 

[coalherd]

24, why do you think it is Doc that misjudges and burries talent on the depth chart? Who do you think should be playing right now that is not, that is better than the person currently playing their position?  Who left that you think was better than the person that replaced them?

whf, you mean guys like Anderson, a 230#+ power back who remains on the sidelines in obvious short yardage situations, even inside the 10 yard line, while Legg tries to find success continuously running smaller backs on straight dive plays up the middle after getting a handoff from our QB who is taking a shotgun snap 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage?

[whf]

I personally don't think Anderson is better than Keon, but yes, those kind off comparisons...questions.

[goherd24]

24, why do you think it is Doc that misjudges and burries talent on the depth chart? Who do you think should be playing right now that is not, that is better than the person currently playing their position?  Who left that you think was better than the person that replaced them?

Track record

Butler
Grooms
Johnson
Gant
Mathews
I forget the kids name but the LB that was a stud on the fiekd last year and super energetic. Made plays but never saw the field much.
Ryan Bee being moved inside - still think we had an amazing talent as DE, turned pretty decent DT.
Heck, the pick six last week, why isn't that kid a starter?


Bad judgements
Van
Rodriguez x 2
Tindal

These just off the top of my head. It is hard to tell who is sitting or in docs doghouse that may be studs. Seems like every time injuries hit a position, the guy that comes in is way better.

[QuickStrike]

Tomell One, the big DT, was a starter and a captain one week and was gone from the program the next at mid-season last year.

Our long snapper quit in mid-week!  Just didn't show up!  We have had numerous difficulties with snaps on FG attempts this year.

Speaking of FG attempts, how about Grayson Pontious, Cole Phillips, Nick Smith, Amareto Curraj, or any other kicker we had on scholarship in '16 or '17?

Darian Owens was a 4-star highly-hyped receiver, originally committed to UCLA, who abruptly left after summer camp.  With injuries to our WR's last week, don't you think he would have played?  Isn't he better than a walk-on?

Our secondary stunk in 2016.  A.J. Legget was a 4-star starter who abruptly left.  Tiquan Lang was a starter and basically won the Purdue game for us... booted.  Nickel back starter Antavis Rowe just disappeared.  Speedy Howard was a guaranteed starter who redshirted then left the program.

Our offensive line stunk last year.  Cody Collins abruptly quit in about Week 4.  Speaking of offensive linemen, what about starting OT Fred Binot, who left after the season?

RB Trey Rodriguez abruptly left after Game 3.  Either he was good enough to start or he wasn't.  Our staff started him for 3 weeks.

Former starters at LB just left... Stefan Houston and Raheim Huskey.

There was also the big TE Pro Wells.  Sure could use him now that we don't have a clear cut replacement for Yuracek graduating.

[wasbarryb]

after 8 years, I can't help but wish Doc would learn from his mistakes.

Doc is counting on Hamwreck not learning from his mistakes.

[whf]

I think these lists speak for themselves, so would see the players listed as being better than those they played behind, or left because of.  Others wouldn't; at least in all cases.

But its a good exercise and shows why some folks think Doc and Legg don't get it.  If you hold that these players truly were better for the team in executing and contributing, one easily understands your disenchantment. If not, it it harder to understand.

Yet in each case, IMHO, the decisions were their own.  I'll always find it hard to believe that a kid who is the most talented, follows the rules, and contributes the most to the team, won't be the one playing on Saturdays.  But I also feel that you can be really good (maybe the most taletned at your position), not follow the rules, not put yourself out for the good of the team and organization, and sit here. 

[herdgameplan]

Anderson is 240+ not 205-10 big difference and has speed to burn! Doc wake the f44kup get rid of your but buddy up the middle bill!!!

[coalherd]

Tomell One, the big DT, was a starter and a captain one week and was gone from the program the next at mid-season last year.

Our long snapper quit in mid-week!  Just didn't show up!  We have had numerous difficulties with snaps on FG attempts this year.

Speaking of FG attempts, how about Grayson Pontious, Cole Phillips, Nick Smith, Amareto Curraj, or any other kicker we had on scholarship in '16 or '17?

Darian Owens was a 4-star highly-hyped receiver, originally committed to UCLA, who abruptly left after summer camp.  With injuries to our WR's last week, don't you think he would have played?  Isn't he better than a walk-on?

Our secondary stunk in 2016.  A.J. Legget was a 4-star starter who abruptly left.  Tiquan Lang was a starter and basically won the Purdue game for us... booted.  Nickel back starter Antavis Rowe just disappeared.  Speedy Howard was a guaranteed starter who redshirted then left the program.

Our offensive line stunk last year.  Cody Collins abruptly quit in about Week 4.  Speaking of offensive linemen, what about starting OT Fred Binot, who left after the season?

RB Trey Rodriguez abruptly left after Game 3.  Either he was good enough to start or he wasn't.  Our staff started him for 3 weeks.

Former starters at LB just left... Stefan Houston and Raheim Huskey.

Well, Sheet, HerdHead, you do realize, don't you, that if you throw in 1 or 2 of the QBs who also have departed Doc's program in the last couple of years or so, you'd have a team that could easily have been a division challenger in the "powerful" CUSA this season??