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Offline whf

Re: SOS and Performance
« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2017, 10:34:15 PM »
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  • I feel the conference has a couple shacks too, in the sense of fan support particularly.  Still better than the Sun Belt and the MAC IMHO.  But in no way do I think we are a shack. A few drafty Windows though.
     

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    Offline banker

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    « Reply #51 on: November 15, 2017, 11:15:39 PM »
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  • According to Sagarin, CUSA is not only worse than the MAC we are also worse than the FCS Missouri Valley conference.  We are one spot ahead of the FunBelt.
     
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    Offline The E-Man

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    « Reply #52 on: November 15, 2017, 11:59:31 PM »
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  • According to Sagarin, CUSA is not only worse than the MAC we are also worse than the FCS Missouri Valley conference.  We are one spot ahead of the FunBelt.

    Ouch! and what's worse, we can't win a damn CUSA CHAMPIONSHIP!
     
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    Offline whf

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    « Reply #53 on: November 16, 2017, 08:48:34 AM »
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  • Do you think we'd actually lose to a Missouri Valley Conference team this year?  Rice probably would, maybe Charlotte.  Not sure who else...
     

    Offline MarshallManiac

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    « Reply #54 on: November 16, 2017, 09:04:44 AM »
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  • Banker, how dare you use logic, reason, rational, comparisons, and your brain to analyze something!! You're going to offend all of Doc's family and friends on this board.

    But, but, but...10 wins. Some people think 10 wins is 10 wins weather it's in the NFC East or the local B team of youth football. Yes, some people on this board think their 8-0 "B" team can beat the NFL's Eagles because they have a better record.

    We all know Doc's records have been greatly inflated by the easy schedule he's played. Every AD in the country sees that which is why after 3 10 win seasons, nobody would touch him. Doc has also proven he is no better and maybe slightly worse against the same competition Snyder played...he proved that his first 3 years - having the exact same records as Snyder.

    As stated above Doc didn't do any better against the same competition Snyder played against...but additionally...
    Doc owns the worst season performance in the last 20 years, at 3-9 in the worst conference in college football, not Snyder.
    Doc owns the worst debacle in Marshall Football history, wvu, not Snyder (Kansas St.)
    Doc owns the top two biggest blowout losses in the Joan's History, UCF and WKU, not Snyder.
    Doc owns some of the biggest recruiting class failures in Marshall history, not Snyder.
    Doc is consistently losing to worse teams than Snyder did and rarely beats a team above .500...

    ...and yet...Doc is still here...

    Glad somebody said it. I honestly believe Mark Snyder could've won a CUSA Championship in CUSA v3.
     

    Offline Apollo

    Re: SOS and Performance
    « Reply #55 on: November 16, 2017, 09:27:04 AM »
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  • Do you think we'd actually lose to a Missouri Valley Conference team this year?  Rice probably would, maybe Charlotte.  Not sure who else...
    You were the one that started saying the conference as a whole isn't a shack, then someone proves you wrong yet again and you flip flop to "well Marshall wouldn't lose to those teams". First, I wouldn't hold your breath on that. Second, they were going off your argument about the conference as a whole being worse and you just validated the argument by naming at least two teams that would probably get beat. But keep changing your argument when proven wrong, its entertaining.
     
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    Offline elginherd

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    « Reply #56 on: November 16, 2017, 09:50:19 AM »
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  • Do you think we'd actually lose to a Missouri Valley Conference team this year?  Rice probably would, maybe Charlotte.  Not sure who else...

    NDSU & SDSU are no joke. And yes the Herd could very well be beaten by either...along with more than a few G5 or P5 teams. The MVC, the last decade or so, is arguably even better than what the SoCon was in the late 80's through the late 90's. They are capable of beating any team in the CUSA, MAC or SB.
    In memory of Dr Daniel P Babb who taught so much to so many.
     
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    Offline herdfan129

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    « Reply #57 on: November 16, 2017, 10:37:06 AM »
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  • NDSU would %^&* stomp us.
    The right way is always the right way- Coach Huff

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    Offline Herdalum83

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    « Reply #58 on: November 16, 2017, 12:24:02 PM »
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  • NDSU would win CUSA easily.
     
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    Offline whf

    Re: SOS and Performance
    « Reply #59 on: November 16, 2017, 02:55:15 PM »
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  • Apollo, you're a bit off the grid here IMHO. I've never agreed that C-USA is a shack as a whole.  Don't know where you got that I did, nor do I understand why you're so set on taking me on personally.  Guess my sticking to my own feelings is getting to you a bit. Sorry about that.  But I dare say I'll keep doing so.  Opinions are opinions. We all have them. Your insistence that mine is wrong won't change me holding it; nor do I expect to change yours.  But I will speak my own mind, just as you do.  If the judging gives you a charge, keep charging. It doesn't bother me a bit, but it does make me question why?
     

    Offline Apollo

    Re: SOS and Performance
    « Reply #60 on: November 16, 2017, 03:24:02 PM »
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  • Apollo, you're a bit off the grid here IMHO. I've never agreed that C-USA is a shack as a whole.  Don't know where you got that I did, nor do I understand why you're so set on taking me on personally.  Guess my sticking to my own feelings is getting to you a bit. Sorry about that.  But I dare say I'll keep doing so.  Opinions are opinions. We all have them. Your insistence that mine is wrong won't change me holding it; nor do I expect to change yours.  But I will speak my own mind, just as you do.  If the judging gives you a charge, keep charging. It doesn't bother me a bit, but it does make me question why?

    First, go back and re-read. I said you said it ISN'T a shack as a whole. I'm not trying to "take you on" but you consistently ignore the facts and act they don't exist just because it doesn't fit your agenda. Yes everyone has opinions. Facts on the other hand, well I guess you just don't understand what those are. I'm not judging anything. We're telling you the grass is green and showing you blades of grass to prove it and then you still try to insist its blue. Speak your mind all you want man, doesn't make it any more right. I'm done.
     

    Offline mckayt

    Re: SOS and Performance
    « Reply #61 on: November 16, 2017, 08:11:34 PM »
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  • Just playing with numbers.  I posted the total offense ranking back through 2008 and someone commented about the SOS, so I decided to look at the SOS each year and where we finished in the final Sagarin rankings.

    SOS - total offense rank - wins

    2008 - 77 - 86 - 4
    2009 - 86 - 81 - 7
    2010 - 91 - 103 - 5
    2011 - 56 - 102 - 7
    2012 - 104 - 6 - 5
    2013 - 122 - 12 - 10
    2014 - 124 - 2 - 13
    2015 - 138 - 64 - 10
    2016 - 125 - 114 - 3
    2017 - 120 - 82 - 7(so far)

    So you can see the obvious transition from CUSA v2.0 to CUSA v3.0.  Shows that the combination of the weakened schedule, coupled with the emergence of Cato, caused our offense to spike.  I added the win column because I am trying to see if # of wins relative to SOS accurately defines how good of season we had.  So based on that, the seasons stack up like this from best to worst.

    1. 2011
    2. 2014
    3 (t). 2013
    3 (t). 2009
    5. 2015
    6. 2010
    7. 2008
    8. 2012
    9. 2016

    Based on the way I'm looking at it, the 7 wins in 2011 was actually a better job of coaching than the 13 wins in 2014 given the huge variation in SOS.   If we would have went 14-0, like we should have, it would have been a virtual tie with 2011.  just something I'm messing with, so would like opinions on how you would rate the seasons and where the major problems with the listing are.

    How do you come to those conclusions?  What is your formula based on?  How would you rank the other years below in with your formula?  Is 1999 a virtual tie with 2011 then too?

              SOS-Wins
    1998 - 118 - 12
    1999 - 111 - 13
    2000 - 101 -  8
    2001 -   93 - 11
    2002 - 113 - 11
    2003 -   84 -  8
    2004 - 112 -  6
    2005 -   86 -  4
    2006 -   88 -  5
    2007 -   73 -  3
     

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    Offline banker

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    « Reply #62 on: November 16, 2017, 08:23:33 PM »
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  • No, 1999 was better than 2011 as was 1998.  You have to adjust for the fact that both those years only had 11 regular season games.
     

    Offline mckayt

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    « Reply #63 on: November 16, 2017, 11:07:27 PM »
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  • No, 1999 was better than 2011 as was 1998.  You have to adjust for the fact that both those years only had 11 regular season games.
    Why does that matter?  How does your formula decide this?  1998, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2013, 2014, and 2015 are all very similar results with crappy SOS. 
     

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