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Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
« on: January 13, 2005, 08:51:13 PM »
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  • and unforgivable.--Stephen Bupp The Daily Athenaeum

    Poor Stephen Bupp.  He's a little torn up over wvu's loss to the Herd.   :lol:   :D

    http://www.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/uwire/011305abg.html

    Offline Marco

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    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #1 on: January 13, 2005, 09:44:40 PM »
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  • he's right about one thing, we do have a superiority complex........sounds like he and his peers have an inferiority complex.

    what a geek.
     

    Offline HerdZone

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    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #2 on: January 13, 2005, 10:09:44 PM »
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  • He said everything in that article BUT "They out played us" which coming from someone that grew up around Morgantown would never say.
     

    Offline mrherd05

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    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #3 on: January 13, 2005, 10:15:22 PM »
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    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable and unforgivable. The people who attend that university, including the rare few who actually graduate


    He actually had the nerve to knock on our entire school like this. Not to sound stupid, I know this line was very unprofessional, but is this line legal.
     

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    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #4 on: January 13, 2005, 10:19:18 PM »
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  • He better check the grad. rates of the universities before making a statement like that. Last time I looked Marshalls was higher than USPAMs.
     

    Offline OhYeaahMU

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    Let's play "Sounds to me like..."
    « Reply #5 on: January 13, 2005, 11:06:40 PM »
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  • That guy is desperate and sounds like not so smart.  Here's how I read his article...

    Especially when a pair of pint-sized guards drains 10-of-12 three-pointers, many with the help of providential rolls around the rim.

    Sounds to me like..."It's too bad their guards were on fire and could nail half-court 3's if they wanted on Tuesday.  We had no answer to them and even our coach admitted that we don't have a defense for those kind of shots.  Marshall cheated because they got to shoot on different rims -- rims that were designed for Mid-American Conference teams and not for mighty powerhouses like us."

    The people who attend that university, including the rare few who actually graduate, emerge with a superiority complex, the size of which can only be compared to the afro of their favorite son, Randy Moss.

    Sounds to me like..."I'm so jealous that Marshall has produced three recent Heisman trophy contenders.  I'm also furious that a team that was in 1-AA 10 years ago is now on our level and could beat us in any game at any time.  Marshall has risen so fast and continues to get better.  I mean, who does Marshall think they are?  Just because 3 professional football teams have built their teams around 3 Marshall players (Moss, Pennington, Leftwich) doesn't mean they know a darn thing about football.

    But for those who have been forced to listen to endless speeches suggesting that Marshall does not play Madagascar to WVU's Africa (as we know they do), the loss is disgusting.

    Sounds to me like..."I'm not good with words, so I'll use the only country I know in Africa to write a lame analogy."

    The Thundering Herd is so consumed with measuring up to WVU that when on the rare occasion they defeat the Mountaineers, they cling to the victory like a MAC championship - which coincidentally, is equally as meaningless.

    Sounds to me like..."We here at WVU can't stand the Herd because we now know we can't continue to be mediocre in everything we do anymore.  We realize that the rapidly expanding university in the south is catching up to us.  This means that we must improve in order to compete because we are feeling the heat from the green and white.  So, we'll cut on their accomplishments and demean them to make us look better."

    Don't tell this to Marshall fans though. A win every five years over West Virginia somehow entitles them to a decade worth of trash talk.

    Sounds to me like..."I don't want to tell this to you WVU fans, but Marshall has dominated us in every sport this year except men's soccer, and even that was a loss in OT.  I hate to admit it, but WVU and Marshall men's hoops are 2-2 the last 4 games in Charleston.  But, I'm gonna go ahead and lie and tell you Marshall beats us once every five years so you don't feel bad and take up couch-burning and field-pissing as a hobby."

    Their decade-long run of mid-major "glory" is deader than Vanilla Ice's rap career.  

    Sounds to me like..."Marshall has dominated one conference since entering 1-A and now plans to do the same in their new conference, while our own conference has lost its power members and now we are left in the new mid-major football conference."

    The Herd's coach, Ron Jirsa, appears to be continuing his wayward slide down the ladder of coaching prominence since leading Georgia at age 36.  

    Sounds to me like..."I'll cut on a new second-year coach who is thisclose to being 2-0 against us."[/i]
     

    Offline Olen

    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #6 on: January 13, 2005, 11:31:44 PM »
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  • I feel compelled to do this, so I hope everyone indulges my "smug" reply, if only for therapeutic value.  This "opinion" is so crap-tastically non-sensical and meandering it fails to find a cogent thought or a persuasive thesis.

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    Mountaineers predictably fold in loss to the inferior Herd
     
     
    By Stephen Bupp The Daily Athenaeum

    Morgantown, WV (U-WIRE) -- Disgusting or embarrassing?

    I can't decide which adjective better describes Tuesday night's debacle in the capital city. As a West Virginian who grew up west of Morgantown, there is no school I disdain half as much as Marshall.


    Hmmmm - I was under the impression that in eer-reality that Marshall was nearly a non-existant entity at worst, and a second-rate high school at best.  Why would any eer fan have "disdain" for lil ole Marshall (or as many an eerfan affectionately refers to Marshall as "moo-shall")?

     
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    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable and unforgivable. The people who attend that university, including the rare few who actually graduate, emerge with a superiority complex, the size of which can only be compared to the afro of their favorite son, Randy Moss.


    "That" team from Huntington?  Holy hell.  This "writer" is so despondent over Tuesday's loss that he cannot muster the self-respect to mention the university by its formal name.  

    Despondency soon gives way to utter contempt for facts.  In what amounted to an exasperating seven minutes of research, I verified both that Marshall University has over 90,000 alumni (see HERE) and that Marshall awarded over 2,800 diplomas in the Spring of 2004 (see HERE).  Thus, the use of "rare" graduates seems to be a poor attempt to belittle by hyperbole.  To add hypocricy to the pallette, the "writer" then has the temerity to project a collective "superiority complex" onto Marshall alumni while failing to acknowledge the obvious "superiority" that the "writer" obviously feels in relation to Marshall alums.  And based on the debates on various message boards over the past two weeks, there are sufficient numbers of Marshall alums and Herd fans that do not consider Randy Moss "the favorite son" - if that distinction falls to any football player, then Messers Pennington, Leftwich and Brown certainly can claim as much, if not more, stake in that distinction than Mr. Moss.

    Only a thick-headed rube would mistake "spine" for "superiority".  Only an infantile philistine would take offense to a Marshall alum/supporter standing toe-to-toe with a WVU alum/supporter.  Apparently distinguishing between "assertive" and "superior" is a skill not yet honed by young Bupp.

    To paraphrase Dean Wormer of Faber College - "Son, fat, drunk and stupid is no way to write an opinion piece."  Facts are absent, and the hyperbole (or what amounts to humor to WVU alums) was bad.    

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    So it infuriates me to watch the Mountaineers crumble to "the sons of Marshall." For those who have the envious position of living outside the realm of Herd fans, it's still a pathetic loss. But for those who have been forced to listen to endless speeches suggesting that Marshall does not play Madagascar to WVU's Africa (as we know they do), the loss is disgusting.
     
    The Thundering Herd is so consumed with measuring up to WVU that when on the rare occasion they defeat the Mountaineers, they cling to the victory like a MAC championship - which coincidentally, is equally as meaningless.


    Marshall is to WVU as Madagascar is to Africa - interesting analogy.  The philistine fails to appreciate the irony of this assertion, considering he previously asserted that Marshall alums/supporters were the ones with the "superiority" complex.  However, and despite the delecisous irony, the analogy is imprecise, for several reasons.  First, the implicit assertion is that Marshall is a "miniscule" country to a massive "continent" of WVU (more irony associated with the aforementioned superiority complex), which is absurd to the point of laughing at such nonsense.  Africa is a continent with an area of 30,330,000 sq km; Madagascar is a country with an area of 587,000 sq km - or approximately 1.9% of the continent of Africa.  Drawing the analogy to its logical extension that the writer wishes to make, one can understand the absurdity of the comparison:  Using any variable one wishes to use, Marshall is not 2% of WVU in any phase of comparison.  Second, the implication is that Marshall is a minor contributor to the "greater whole", which is even more absurd.  Marshall produces thousands of graduates every year that contribute as much than the graduates of WVU.  Marshall Un. has been at the forefront of several important initiatives in the last two decades, including rural health care, dna and biomedical technology, and education.  Yet, the writer demands (like a child stamping its foot) that Marshall is so much a "lesser" entity that he draws upon an absurd analogy.  

    Mr. Bupp would have been better off using a more suitable, and less comical, analogy, such as - Marshall is to WVU as Target is to Wal-Mart - Wal-Mart may have greater market share, but Target is whittling away and asserting a definitive presence.  

     
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    Don't tell this to Marshall fans though. A win every five years over West Virginia somehow entitles them to a decade worth of trash talk. These delusional fans don't realize it is over for them. Their decade-long run of mid-major "glory" is deader than Vanilla Ice's rap career. Even as their programs peaked, they still played second fiddle to WVU - which is what makes Tuesday's loss all the more mind-boggling and embarrassing. Marshall entered the contest as a 2-10 team with wins over High Point and East Tennessee State. Their RPI was 264. The Herd's coach, Ron Jirsa, appears to be continuing his wayward slide down the ladder of coaching prominence since leading Georgia at age 36. Meanwhile, West Virginia was having a stellar season, boasting an 11-1 record and a national ranking. It seemed that Marshall was as much a gimme as any game on the schedule. Sure WVU had laid down and let Villanova humiliate them on national television, but that was an anomaly. Right?


    Well, I'm pretty sure that Marshall and WVU have split the last four games (that would be 2-2, Mr. Bupp), and the last half-dozen games (or so) have been decided by seven points or less - but don't let the facts get in the way of a good screed.  

    (*hits the floor b/c of severe neck pain*)

    Sorry (*rubbing neck*) - I nearly broke my neck trying to keep up with Mr. Bupp.  I thought he was writing about basketball, when all of the sudden (*neck whips*) he claims that Marshall's glory as a "mid-major" is over.  Anyone with an IQ equal to room temperature milk knows that Marshall's "glory" has been in football, not basketball.  Why are we know subjected to another off-the-base comment?  Was the editor in between meth injections?  To briefly address this attempted point (football related), Marshall's "end" is greatly exaggerated, and Mr. Bupp appears to be suffering from premature celebration (along with other premature events, I'm sure).  Marshall did not play second fiddle to WVU during this "reign", considering Marshall was ranked in the football polls in three of the previous eight years, unmatched by WVU, and on the outskirts of the top 25 in two additional years.  

    Finally, Bupp returns to basketball.  And returns to a vulgar display of ignorance.  WVU was having a "stellar" season?  Fattening the win total on cupcakes (RPI SoS = 264) is what Marshall has been accused of by WVU alums/supporters concerning football - suddenly, the "dolly madison" schedule is fine for basketball?  Yikes, the double standards are hard to keep track of.  

    It is time that folks acknowledge the possibility that:  (a) WVU was not as "stellar" as its record; and (b) Marshall was not as "horrible" as its record.  If one cannot at least grasp the possibility that the above is correct, then there is likely nothing else to discuss, since a canine would provide more meaningful debate.

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    Apparently not. For better or for worse (my guess would be the latter), WVU has lived and died by the three-pointer. Tuesday, the Gold and Blue once again found themselves struggling from the outside. Of course, that did not stop West Virginia from hoisting up 19 shots from long range, even as D'or Fischer was unstoppable in the post. And when you only score 55 points, you are susceptible to the upset. Especially when a pair of pint-sized guards drains 10-of-12 three-pointers, many with the help of providential rolls around the rim. But the Mountaineers did nothing to thwart the embarrassment of a Marshall upset.


    WVU opponents have started to defend the three-pointer more vigorously, at least according to the beat writers covering the program.  Marshall certainly made a concerted effort to defend the umbrella offense of WVU.  Getting a hand in a shooter's face tends to decrease three point efficiency.    Of course, Marshall plays with midgets, so WVU's failure from behind the arc is solely the fault of WVU, and not the efforts of the Marshall defenders.  BRILLIANT!!

    The "size" of a player is not indicative of quality:  Earl Boykins, Mugsy Bogues and Calvin Murphy were "pint-sized" bball players that managed to secure NBA contracts and collect more coin than Bupp will likely get in tips on his Domino's route.  

    The providence of the civic center must only be noticeable when Marshall is the beneficiary - I seem to remember WVU heaving a 35 ft bomb to send a recent MU-WVU game to OT.  Spell it, Bupp - H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-C-Y.

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    As it rained threes, WVU's offensive aggressiveness was invisible, and the primary 1-3-1 defense - hailed 10 days ago as tenacious and confounding - created just nine turnovers. A 10-0 start brought the eye of a nation to Morgantown. And like the football team, the Mountaineers have stumbled in the spotlight. The last three games have produced possibly the three worst performances of the year. Even in the win versus St. John's, WVU struggled. With a stunningly difficult schedule over the next month, Coach Beilein had better right the ship fast, before it capsizes. Disgusting or embarrassing? Tuesday was every bit of both.


    Or, as Bupp fails to acknowledge, perhaps WVU was giving the appearance of being a better team than it is.  

    Overall, this piece is a joke.  If I were this kid's editor / instructor, he would not get a satisfactory grade, since he did nothing more than dabble in the art of argument and persuasion.  Getting acquainted with facts, and then with reality, might be a wonderful place to start.

    You may resume your regular activities.  :D
     

    Offline ATHENSHERDFAN

    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #7 on: January 14, 2005, 12:10:17 AM »
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  • boohoo!
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    Offline HerdJC05

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    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #8 on: January 14, 2005, 12:22:31 AM »
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  • Wow, what a loser that guy is.
     

    Offline From Ashes to Glory

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    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #9 on: January 14, 2005, 01:18:29 AM »
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  • For those who would like to further share their thoughts with Mr. Bupp, here is his e-mail address:

     dasports@mail.wvu.edu            8)
     

    Offline HerdZone

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    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #10 on: January 14, 2005, 01:34:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: "From Ashes to Glory"
    For those who would like to further share their thoughts with Mr. Bupp, here is his e-mail address:

     dasports@mail.wvu.edu            8)


    He's not worth my 20 mins...... Thats 20 mins I could never have back.
     

    Offline Marco

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    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #11 on: January 14, 2005, 07:37:47 AM »
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    Marshall is to WVU as Target is to Wal-Mart - Wal-Mart may have greater market share, but Target is whittling away and asserting a definitive presence.


    exellent analogy olen.............Target is a nicer store as well with much less per capita goondicks.....excellent comparison to the wvu/MU deal.
     

    Offline ThunderZone

    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #12 on: January 14, 2005, 08:01:08 AM »
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  • Try to do a little research when putting together your drivel.  It will help keep you from embarrassing yourself further in the future.

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    "Marshall entered the contest as a 2-10 team with wins over High Point and East Tennessee State.  Their RPI was 264.  Meanwhile, West Virginia was having a stellar season, boasting an 11-1 record and a national ranking.  It seemed that Marshall was as much a gimmie as any game on the schedule."


    While you were giving out the the RPI rankings, why didn't you include the strength of schedule rankings as well?  

    Surely you saw them, they were included in the RPI rankings.

    I'll save you the trouble of researching it, obviously that is not a strong suit of yours.

    Going into the the game Marshall's strength of schedule ranking was 60 (anything around 75-80 is considered very solid).  Meanwhile the mighty Mountaineers had a strength of schedule ranking of 212 (WOW, that's impressive).

    My point is WVU's "stellar season" was as big a fraud as their #24 ranking.

    Coach Belein knew this going into the game.  When asked about Marshall's schedule Belein admitted that; "If we played Marshall's schedule we probably wouldn't have 10 wins".

    Your season is all down hill from here...The gimmick 1-3-1 only works for so long.  Eventually you have to have players.
     

    Offline HerdNBluefield79

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    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #13 on: January 14, 2005, 08:08:31 AM »
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  • I am honored that our inferior basketball team caused Mr.Bupp to blow a gasket and spew his mindless drivel thinly guised as professional journalism.

    Mr.Bupp, you are a classic piece of...work!  8)
    In the middle of Huntington, West Virginia, there is a river. Next to this river, there is a steel mill. And next to the steel mill, there's a school. In the middle of this school, there's a fountain. Each year, on the exact same day, the exact same hour, the water to this fountain is turned off. And in this moment, once every year, throughout the town, throughout the school, time stands still.
     

    Offline HerdHead

    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #14 on: January 14, 2005, 09:39:01 AM »
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  • Mr Bupp didn't use the word "deader", did he??  

    Well:

    a) Coach Belein's coaching skills are deader than Coach Jirsa's.
    b) WVU's 3-pt shooting ability is deader than Marshall's.


    Has anyone commented on WVU's classless fans booing our cheerleaders and dance team?  They are ridiculous.  Then, the day after the loss, fans in this area were blowing the game off like it didn't matter:  "Go back to your MAC schedule.  We have to play undefeated Boston College this weekend.  We can't worry about losses to lowly MAC teams."  Yeah, right.  They're fans' class level is "deader" compared to Marshall's.
     

    Offline HerdNBluefield79

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    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #15 on: January 14, 2005, 10:17:06 AM »
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  • I am sorry, but their hardcore fans are perhaps the most classless of Division I-A sports. They have a bad image in Motown and they whine pathetically about how unfair ESPN or other major media outlets are by showing disgust at their tribal town burning antics.

    It's a deeply rooted problem in Morgantown that reaches down to the high school level. I watched the Morgantown - Martinsburg state championship game and the Morgantown High School fans threw hot chocolate and coffee on Martinsburg band members. I know because I sat beside the Martinsburg band during the game. This one flag girl was drenched and crying from embarassment.

    Perhaps, it's been the influx of New Jersey and New York residents moving to that area because I have hard time believing that down-to-earth native WVians would be that cruel. However, Mr.Born-west-of- Morgantown-Bupp seems to negate my biased view.

    I don't know if I really want to WVU-Marshall play on the field with this type of animosity. It would be a black eye to the state if some nut like Bupp would blow a gasket on the field or in the stadium. I would hate to see our University at their level of sportmanship.
    In the middle of Huntington, West Virginia, there is a river. Next to this river, there is a steel mill. And next to the steel mill, there's a school. In the middle of this school, there's a fountain. Each year, on the exact same day, the exact same hour, the water to this fountain is turned off. And in this moment, once every year, throughout the town, throughout the school, time stands still.
     

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    « Reply #16 on: January 14, 2005, 10:30:48 AM »
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  • Nice retort, Olen.

    You have done a magnificent job of touching on just about every talking point and illustrating the level of stupidity the article represents.

    I love it when the Morons From Morgantown squirm. It's nice to see them fidgety.

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    Offline HerdNBluefield79

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    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #17 on: January 14, 2005, 10:43:25 AM »
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    I wrote the website the following complaint....


    I wanted to comment about the unprofessional behavior of Stephen Bupp who writes for The Daily Athenaeum. I understand this to be a college sports news site, and I know this is a submitted article from a University newspaper. However, his drivel is offensive and a discredit to sports journalists. Please review his article and make note of the unfair stereotyping he made based on his own selfish emotions.

    His remarks about Marshall University are pointless and inflammatory. A sports story shouldn't include his slanderous opinion of my alma mater and my 90,000 fellow alumni, which include the likes of Chad Pennington, Troy Brown and Byron Leftwich.

    I understand the freedom of expression and speech; however, I appreciate skill and integrity in journalism, both of which were lacking in this terrible article

    Here is the link to the article in question: http://www.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/uwire/011305abg.html

    I hope you would consider excluding future articles of such nature from this individual.

    Thank you for your time and consideration to my complaint.
    In the middle of Huntington, West Virginia, there is a river. Next to this river, there is a steel mill. And next to the steel mill, there's a school. In the middle of this school, there's a fountain. Each year, on the exact same day, the exact same hour, the water to this fountain is turned off. And in this moment, once every year, throughout the town, throughout the school, time stands still.
     

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    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #18 on: January 14, 2005, 11:01:58 AM »
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  • Oh Yeeeah nails it:

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    Sounds to me like..."We here at WVU can't stand the Herd because we now know we can't continue to be mediocre in everything we do anymore. We realize that the rapidly expanding university in the south is catching up to us. This means that we must improve in order to compete because we are feeling the heat from the green and white. So, we'll cut on their accomplishments and demean them to make us look better."
     

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    Losing to that team from Huntington is inexcusable...
    « Reply #19 on: January 14, 2005, 11:38:58 AM »
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  • Just west of Morgantown?  This poor kid grew up in BFE, WV and has an inferiority complex.

    You sure got a purty mouth, boy.