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Jon will get 4 opportunities to shine.
July 6, vs Philadelphia 5:30pm ESPN
July 8 vs Cleveland 7:30pm ESPN2
July 9 vs Denver 8:00pm ESPN2
July 11 vs Memphis 10:30pm ESPN2
All times are EDT
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Jon will get 4 opportunities to shine.
July 6, vs Philadelphia 5:30pm ESPN
July 8 vs Cleveland 7:30pm ESPN2
July 9 vs Denver 8:00pm ESPN2
July 11 vs Memphis 10:30pm ESPN2
All times are EDT
Hope he gets to see the court alot.
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Hope he gets to see the court alot.
Unlike James Kelly when he was there a few years ago reppin' The Herd. I think he only saw the court maybe 10 mins the whole week.
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https://twitter.com/NBASummerLeague/status/1144418622103793670?s=20
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don't know if streams are available elsewhere, but for diehards, you can do what appears to be a 7 day no-hassle free trial:
fuboTV (games on NBA TV) and WatchESPN (games on ESPN networks)
https://www.fubo.tv/lp/nba-stream/?irad=356361&irmp=416484&utm_source=CBSi_NBA&utm_campaign=CBSi (https://www.fubo.tv/lp/nba-stream/?irad=356361&irmp=416484&utm_source=CBSi_NBA&utm_campaign=CBSi)
Saturday, July 6, Boston Celtics vs. Philadelphia 76ers, 5:30 p.m. - ESPN
Monday, July 8, Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Boston Celtics, 7:30 p.m. - NBA TV
Tuesday, July 9, Denver Nuggets vs. Boston Celtics, 8 p.m. - ESPN 2
Thursday, July 11, Boston Celtics vs. Memphis Grizzlies, 10:30 p.m. - ESPN 2
Final eight- July 12 - 15 TBD
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27129031/vegas-summer-league-postponed-71-quake (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27129031/vegas-summer-league-postponed-71-quake)
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Tacko Fall I believe is also on the team. Would be cool to see Elmore toss him some oops.
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Tacko Fall I believe is also on the team. Would be cool to see Elmore toss him some oops.
He is. I think Jon and Grant Williams can also have a nice two man game. Both are very high IQ players that can take advantage of the short time to prepare
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Unlike James Kelly when he was there a few years ago reppin' The Herd. I think he only saw the court maybe 10 mins the whole week.
HM, IIRC Coach DD served as the Laker's head coach for a couple of NBA summer league 'seasons'. It'd be interesting to get his insight on who gets playing time and why a player gets PT.
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Jon was setting at the end of the bench, with about 2 minutes left in the 1st quarter.
He was inserted into the game, no shots yet at the end of the 1st Q.
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He is playing now
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Nice "shout out" by Seth Greenberg saying that Jon was coached at Marshall by Dan D'Antoni the brother of Mike D'Antoni.
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Elmore has played very good D. He looks very uncertain on offense.
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Elmore has played very good D. He looks very uncertain on offense.
Hard when you come off the bench for 2 minutes.
Agreed that he looked good on defense.
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He’s got about 5 total min of pt now
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5 total min. 1 block and 1 steal. Only Celtic with single digit minutes..
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Elmore gave up 0 points on defense. He guarded very well. They played a zone defense and he looked very good in it.
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Kinda shocked. He looked uncertain on O. On D I was very pleased to see him keep up like he did.
To his benefit Harrison didn’t play well. I didn’t think Waters did either. So maybe there’s a chance he increases minutes next game.
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5 total min. 1 block and 1 steal. Only Celtic with single digit minutes..
Yeah, and that doesn't bode well for his chances. There's not much practice time during summer league, but scouts from various pro leagues from around the world do watch practice & practice tape so hopefully he's showing enough then to get an opportunity.
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Elmore gave up 0 points on defense. He guarded very well. They played a zone defense and he looked very good in it.
No turnovers, traveling calls, no chance to contribute or screw up...
Hope he gets some meaningful court time next game.
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He was credited with a rebound in box score I believe. 5 Minutes not a lot and hard to get into a rhythm, but the Celtics were +6 pts with him on floor.
On flip side, Philly had 3 guys who didn't play at all. I think Peneva saw hardly any time at all with Wizards last year.
Celtics won. Head up and keep moving forward.
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On the one hand it is a complement to DD and MUBB that Elmore is the 3rd player since he has been here that got invited to play in the NBA Summer League-J. Kelly and Penava. However, as has been mentioned before, neither played very much. I think it shows we have a ways to go before we get respect. It could be position based but yesterday, Elmore, arguably the greatest player in MUBB history, played less than players from Radford, Kennesaw State, and VMI?
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In typical p2m fashion allow me to opine that most squads know who they are going to give a real opportunity to ... and I don't believe Jon will be one of those. Apologies for being a nattering nabob of negativity.
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The nba is the hardest of all pro sports to make. just not many spots.
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Not many spots for sure and the summer league is not a showcase event. NBA teams have goals for their summer league teams that give them some insight on who could possibly claim a roster spot in regular season, who will play on G league squad, and who they keep tabs on. The guys that were drafted are always going to get more PT and a chance to understand the system better...but the entire experience gives the org and the players alike a chance to see how they measure up against other pro caliber players...even if most of their time is during practice. And everything is taped...including practices so it gives the players exposure to all pro basketball avenues.
I believe Brad Wannamaker was the oldest rookie in NBA this year with Celtics after playing overseas etc for several yrs. He was just resigned to a 1-yr deal with Boston for 1M. 99.x percent of population will never earn 1M a yr doing anything. A person making a decent living making 50k a year would have to work 20 yrs to make 1M. Elmore, imo, will have no problem making a living playing BB if he chooses. What form that career takes is anyone's guess.
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Looking like Europe for Elmore, and Burks for that matter
Go Herd!
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Chris that is correct. I think it’s easy to get up after one game and say he won’t play or won’t get a shot. By the end of the game yesterday you had Boston fans questioning whether Guerschon Yabusele will even make it out of summer league and if Grant Williams even needs to play. Grant started on the bench. Let’s see if Jon can make some moves after game one.
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https://twitter.com/chuckmcgill/status/1147627432138215425?s=20
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Jon played very well IMO. Under control and looked quicker than he did here. He was open a couple of times for potential shots but other teammates took bad shots instead.
Talk in Boston press is it's put up or shut up for Youblesee. He is in his 4th year and has shown well in practices etc over years but hasn't been nearly as consistent or big of a contributor as they hoped.
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Good exposure for sure...guess you never know. Can't be a bad thing to have Jerry West see you either.
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Jon played very well IMO. Under control and looked quicker than he did here. He was open a couple of times for potential shots but other teammates took bad shots instead.
Talk in Boston press is it's put up or shut up for Youblesee. He is in his 4th year and has shown well in practices etc over years but hasn't been nearly as consistent or big of a contributor as they hoped.
Agreed. I was frustrated a few times when he was open and team mates took open shots. I never watch the NBA so maybe that is typical I'm not sure.
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Agreed. I was frustrated a few times when he was open and team mates took open shots. I never watch the NBA so maybe that is typical I'm not sure.
In the summer league you lack chemistry and some will try to over perform. Generally the NBA has became a game of making that next pass unless you’re James Harden
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Agreed. I was frustrated a few times when he was open and team mates took open shots. I never watch the NBA so maybe that is typical I'm not sure.
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Elmore quite often did the same thing at MU......(team mates would be open....and he would take a shot that was very questionable at times).
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My biggest concern of Elmore was would he be quick enough for the NBA. He looked much quicker and in better overall shape than anytime in college. Our S&C Dept. needs to get it together.
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I do not see the game listed for tonight. Is it found on another channel? ESPN2 has "Baseball Tonight" scheduled from 7-8 followed by the World Series of Poker at 8:00.
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I do not see the game listed for tonight. Is it found on another channel? ESPN2 has "Baseball Tonight" scheduled from 7-8 followed by the World Series of Poker at 8:00.
ESPN app says ESPN3.
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The game is scheduled for NBA TV (Direct TV, Channel 215). Right now (7:35 p.m.) the game between Washington and Brooklyn is not yet finished. I'm assuming the Celtics game will be on at the conclusion of this game.
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The Celtics game started at 8:15 EDT on NBA TV. Elmore, as expected, is not starting.
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Yeah. I found it on ESPN3. Thanks guys!
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Boston got rid of Terry Rozier today so that’s one guard down.
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Elmore in 1st time. 6:00 to go in the 2nd q
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Offense looks better with Elmore in the game imo. He moves the ball up the floor and actually passes the ball.
He finally got to shoot it but it doesnt count as he was out of bounds when he caught the ball. Hope he gets the chance to take a few shots tonight and get in to a rhythm.
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Elmore checks back into game at 5 min mark 3rd q with Cavs on a run.
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Elmore looking much more comfortable tonight.
Had a nice oop and drove to the basket drawing the foul. He made 1/2 foul shots. Should have had another assist but Taco missed a dunk/layup while getting fouled right before end of 3rd quarter.
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Announcers talking about Marshall quite a bit. One announcer asked who is more famous from Marshall? Moss or Mike D’ Antoni?
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Announcers talking about Marshall quite a bit. One announcer asked who is more famous from Marshall? Moss or Mike D’ Antoni?
Yeah. They had a lot of good things to say about us tonight.
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Loved the Billy Crystal reference!
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he was directing, showed leadership, good passing but got beat on D once or twice. not bad overall, he just needs to be on the floor a little longer when he does get in.
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Jon had one point, two rebounds, one blocked shot, one assist, one turnover, with no field goals attempted (he stepped out of bounds on his one attempt that negated that attempt while causing the turnover) and he was a plus three in nine minutes of action. A solid game, I thought.
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Boston got rid of Terry Rozier today so that’s one guard down.
Rozier was restricted FA and Boston and Hornets did a sign and trade allowing Rozier to go to Charlotte and Walker coming to Celtics. Rozier is very good but wants to start and will be very solid. Elmore has no shot at making Celtics pro roster but can get lost of exposure by practicing and playing well....which may lead to opportunities elsewhere and/or in future in Celtics org.
I haven't watch game yet but saw he got 9 minutes plus stats someone else mentioned.
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Jon had one point, two rebounds, one blocked shot, one assist, one turnover, with no field goals attempted (he stepped out of bounds on his one attempt that negated that attempt while causing the turnover) and he was a plus three in nine minutes of action. A solid game, I thought.
I thought he played a lot more under control than he did in game 1. He seems to be the only guy out there that is willing to distribute the ball.
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I thought he played a lot more under control than he did in game 1. He seems to be the only guy out there that is willing to distribute the ball.
yes. don't know what these coaches tell these players what they want to see out of them individually (and team, for that matter) but i think Jon would thrive under a more disciplined, set plays, team approach.
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yes. don't know what these coaches tell these players what they want to see out of them individually (and team, for that matter) but i think Jon would thrive under a more disciplined, set plays, team approach.
It just looks to me in Summer League play these guys are ALL about themselves.
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https://twitter.com/elmore33/status/1148444208220364800?s=20
This is the skill-set Jon brings to the game.
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It just looks to me in Summer League play these guys are ALL about themselves.
It is a lot more open court and shoot when your open type of game in summer league. A few guys will have legit shots at roster spots or G league which lends itself to selfishness at times. Sort of like what Jon was doing at times last year....trying to impress people at next level. Glad Jon is staying within himself.....that will bold well for him as others look at the tape. That oop was sick. Elmore is such a gym rat he will do nothing but get better now that he can devote his FT to his craft imo. He is never going to be an explosive, attacking guy but his handle and BB IQ will help him. He needs to have a consistent shot making ability.
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It is a lot more open court and shoot when your open type of game in summer league. A few guys will have legit shots at roster spots or G league which lends itself to selfishness at times. Sort of like what Jon was doing at times last year....trying to impress people at next level. Glad Jon is staying within himself.....that will bold well for him as others look at the tape. That oop was sick. Elmore is such a gym rat he will do nothing but get better now that he can devote his FT to his craft imo. He is never going to be an explosive, attacking guy but his handle and BB IQ will help him. He needs to have a consistent shot making ability.
Although his NBA chances are slim, I'm hoping he can get into the Euroleague and get some $100k paychecks, unlike the $35k G League. Getting there would also better his shot of getting back to the NBA Summer League again in the future.
He and his WV Wildcat teammates will be on ESPN next Friday night in The Basketball Tournament.
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I truly think Elmore looks better than the other PG. The offense flows better with Elmore who is not playing selfish at all.
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At times last night he looked a little frustrated sitting on the bench.
TRS
MU 71
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At times last night he looked a little frustrated sitting on the bench.
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MU 71
It has to be very humbling...
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I didn't see the last game, but I did watch the one on Saturday. I agree. He looked really frustrated. It's going to take time for him to realize he is not the number one option anymore.
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I didn't see the last game, but I did watch the one on Saturday. I agree. He looked really frustrated. It's going to take time for him to realize he is not the number one option anymore.
There is no doubt that he looked most comfortable in his second game vs Cleveland on Monday night.
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It won't effect Elmore but Boston cut/waived Yabusele today.
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Like to see him land in Houston.
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Like to see him land in Houston.
I know he has a good relationship with the coach there........
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I know he has a good relationship with the coach there........
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I have known Mike D. since 4th grade......he has always been a VERY intelligent guy and an even MORE humble person. He was always liked by his other classmates and still is. He NEVER, EVER made ANY comments to insinuate (sp?) that he was good or great or the coaches liked him or ANYTHING to make you feel he thought he was better than someone else in anything (athletics, school work or whatever) He was VERY popular in school and could of had any girl in school. He was almost on the "shy side". He could easily have been a doctor, lawyer, renown scientist, etc.
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Mr. Elmore on the other hand appears (at least to me as a total outsider) to be somewhere near opposite of MD's traits. Confidence is great BUT he must realize he's just another fish in a great big sea. I wish him nothing but the best in life....but some lessons are very hard to learn and accept.
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I have known Mike D. since 4th grade......he has always been a VERY intelligent guy and an even MORE humble person. He was always liked by his other classmates and still is. He NEVER, EVER made ANY comments to insinuate (sp?) that he was good or great or the coaches liked him or ANYTHING to make you feel he thought he was better than someone else in anything (athletics, school work or whatever) He was VERY popular in school and could of had any girl in school. He was almost on the "shy side". He could easily have been a doctor, lawyer, renown scientist, etc.
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Mr. Elmore on the other hand appears (at least to me as a total outsider) to be somewhere near opposite of MD's traits. Confidence is great BUT he must realize he's just another fish in a great big sea. I wish him nothing but the best in life....but some lessons are very hard to learn and accept.
I never knew Mike until he came to Marshall. He was exactly as you describe him.
I have known Jon the past 5 years since he has been in Huntington. I see him everyday n practice. When you spend time around him you will see a lot of Mike's traits in him. He too has always been a very humble young man.
Both are GREAT representatives of Marshall University
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You want a player who wants to play and wants the ball. Most NBA coaches, not all, are pretty up front about what to expect in your role. He only played 6 minutes on Tues but had a +3, 2 assts, 0 TO's, and 0-1 from field. Again very solid for a guy auditioning for playing time elsewhere or in future. According to Boston press, the most likely guys from summer roster to make big club are R.Williams (already under contract), rookie F Grant Williams, rookie G T Waters, M Strous, and possibly G Edwards and/or even Taco Fall. Not sure about rookie from Indiana currently rehabbing thumb injury. I believe they can have 16 players on roster and 13 max can dress for game. It may help Elmore get a look at the G league but he may also be better off playing over seas. Really his best situation will be any situation where he gets lots of PT vs best competition he can.
Celtics are 3-0 so will almost certainly make 8 team single elimination playoffs, so they have at least 2 more games.
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Always, a great description of Mike D, and even with all his success he remains the same person you describe.
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You want a player who wants to play and wants the ball. Most NBA coaches, not all, are pretty up front about what to expect in your role. He only played 6 minutes on Tues but had a +3, 2 assts, 0 TO's, and 0-1 from field. Again very solid for a guy auditioning for playing time elsewhere or in future. According to Boston press, the most likely guys from summer roster to make big club are R.Williams (already under contract), rookie F Grant Williams, rookie G T Waters, M Strous, and possibly G Edwards and/or even Taco Fall. Not sure about rookie from Indiana currently rehabbing thumb injury. I believe they can have 16 players on roster and 13 max can dress for game. It may help Elmore get a look at the G league but he may also be better off playing over seas. Really his best situation will be any situation where he gets lots of PT vs best competition he can.
Celtics are 3-0 so will almost certainly make 8 team single elimination playoffs, so they have at least 2 more games.
Langford (the rookie from Indiana) is definitely making the team. He was a lottery pick. Likewise with Grant Williams, a first round pick. Carsen Edwards (early second round pick) will also make the team.
NBA teams get 15 roster spots (only 13 can be active for each game). (Counting the three draft picks above) The Celtics were at 15 before they waived Yabusele.
NBA teams also get 2 players they can sign on two way contracts. The are assigned to the G League and can be called up to the NBA during the season. The Celtics signed Tremont Waters and
Max Strus as their 2 two-way players.
Boston now has one open roster spot after waiving Yabusele. They could transfer a two way contract to a full NBA contract, add a free agent or sign someone off the summer league roster like Taco Fall.
celticsblog.com is a good resource on the roster spots/contracts/etc.
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You want a player who wants to play and wants the ball. Most NBA coaches, not all, are pretty up front about what to expect in your role. He only played 6 minutes on Tues but had a +3, 2 assts, 0 TO's, and 0-1 from field. Again very solid for a guy auditioning for playing time elsewhere or in future. According to Boston press, the most likely guys from summer roster to make big club are R.Williams (already under contract), rookie F Grant Williams, rookie G T Waters, M Strous, and possibly G Edwards and/or even Taco Fall. Not sure about rookie from Indiana currently rehabbing thumb injury. I believe they can have 16 players on roster and 13 max can dress for game. It may help Elmore get a look at the G league but he may also be better off playing over seas. Really his best situation will be any situation where he gets lots of PT vs best competition he can.
Celtics are 3-0 so will almost certainly make 8 team single elimination playoffs, so they have at least 2 more games.
Bodes well for Jon. 8)
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Jon got in the last 4:02 of the game tonight, a 113-87 win versus the Memphis Grizzlies. He took two shots, one a three-pointer, and he did not score. Dan Dakich mentioned that Jon will be playing for the West Virginia Wildcats next week in the "The Basketball Tournament" (TBT). The first game is Friday, July 19th, televised on ESPN 2. The TBT is the tournament where DeAndre Kane's team, Overseas Elite, has dominated the last three years. I'm not sure if Kane will be playing this year. On another note, Grayson Allen, from Duke, got ejected from the Celtics-Grizzlies game for two flagrant fouls in the span of about two minutes. The announcers showed Allen no mercy.
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Grayson Allen just doesn't get it. what a POS
https://247sports.com/Article/Grayson-Allen-ejected-NBA-Summer-League-highlights-133604062/ (https://247sports.com/Article/Grayson-Allen-ejected-NBA-Summer-League-highlights-133604062/)
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It's obvious Jon is not making the Celtics roster -- when you play less than 10 minutes a game in the summer league, it ain't happening. But hopefully this experience gives him a shot in Europe or the developmental league.
He certainly gave Marshall everything he had for 4 years. Wishing him the best and hoping he will get to choose among a couple of options.
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The Celtics will open the Summer League tournament as the number one seed taking on Memphis at 4:30 pm. (Eastern Time) tomorrow (Saturday) on ESPN. It would be nice to see Jon get to play a little more but I'm not holding my breath.
Here is the complete Summer League Tournament schedule: https://www.nba.com/article/2019/07/12/summer-league-2019-tournament-schedule-official-release
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In a very sad turn of events, Tremont Waters' father was found dead of a suicide yesterday in Connecticut. Waters has been the starting point guard for this Celtics summer league team, and no statement has been made about Waters' plans for the weekend. Waters had played very well for this dominant squad, and had earned himself a 2-way contract with the Celtics. Past media articles indicate he was very close to his father, so keep this young man in your thoughts as you follow the final games of the summer league.
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Dang I hate to hear that but hope this gives Elmore the opportunity to get more playing time and show what he can do. Hope he takes the opportunity and runs with it.
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Dang I hate to hear that but hope this gives Elmore the opportunity to get more playing time and show what he can do. Hope he takes the opportunity and runs with it.
Are you serious, those are your thoughts in a situation like this?
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Are you serious, those are your thoughts in a situation like this?
Oh please. Get over it. I don't know that guy or his family. I said I'm sorry this has happened, it is sad, but life goes on.
So yes, first thing I thought about was I hope he goes home to be with his family and this gives Elmore the opportunity for more playing time to prove himself.
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Jon was not listed in the box score as a player who was even dressed out for today's game. Does anyone know why? The Celtics lost today ending their summer league season on a down note.
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I watched game. Elmore dressed but DNP. Waters 6-17(1-10 from 3).Dont @ me. I know and am sorry his Dad just died. I’m just talking about the game. Sure wish they would have given #JonnyBuckets a chance to show what he could do.
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Smite me all you want snowflakes. I'd say another 1 million people died today. Are you also mourning their loss? If not then you are a bunch of hypocrites.