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The place to talk Marshall University sports! => HerdFans => Topic started by: goherd24 on October 21, 2017, 07:20:36 PM
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That a good coach can dominate cusa, regardless of talent.
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Slipping that crown on a little early, aren't you? Texas teams traveling east usually have a hard time of it. We beat Middle and ODU worse than they did and they lost to Buffalo. They travel to WKU next week, let's see how that goes.
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Slipping that crown on a little early, aren't you? Texas teams traveling east usually have a hard time of it. We beat Middle and ODU worse than they did and they lost to Buffalo. They travel to WKU next week, let's see how that goes.
I crown nothing but they aren't the same team that lost to Buffalo. ESPN's FPI predictor has our FAU and UTSA games as toss ups. I'm not taking either lightly. ODU took WKU to the wire and led quite a bit so I doubt WKU will test them.
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Slipping that crown on a little early, aren't you? Texas teams traveling east usually have a hard time of it. We beat Middle and ODU worse than they did and they lost to Buffalo. They travel to WKU next week, let's see how that goes.
This team is not the same team. Teams with new systems and new coaches, especially, take a little time to find their groove. FAU now is exponentially better than the team you saw earlier in the season. FAU going to wipe their (@/:; with us. I am sorry, but Doc isn't capable of beatiny Kiffin, and we have better talent, but Doc is 5 levels below Kiffin on the coaching scale.
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This team is not the same team. Teams with new systems and new coaches, especially, take a little time to find their groove. FAU now is exponentially better than the team you saw earlier in the season. FAU going to wipe their (@/:; with us. I am sorry, but Doc isn't capable of beatiny Kiffin, and we have better talent, but Doc is 5 levels below Kiffin on the coaching scale.
Heater isn't. They haven't faced a stifling defense yet, all season. We can force mistakes and throw them off their tempo. It's doable but we have to run like clockwork on D.
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Heater isn't. They haven't faced a stifling defense yet, all season. We can force mistakes and throw them off their tempo. It's doable but we have to run like clockwork on D.
I hope our D steps up bigtime in this game. But our D hasn't faced an offensive team like this, this year.
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I hope our D steps up bigtime in this game. But our D hasn't faced an offensive team like this, this year.
This game will be more on our offense. We are definitely going to have to control the clock and score points.
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I hope our D steps up bigtime in this game. But our D hasn't faced an offensive team like this, this year.
We're the only ones in this conference playing any kind of defense. And NCState had plenty of O to go around. We would have done better against them but the refs killed any momentum on either side of the ball any time we got some. They had enough offense to beat top ACC teams. FAU would not do that, I don't care how much they've improved in a month.
All we need is to be disruptive. Take them out of their gameplan. They've not recovered when things weren't going right. Pretty sure we can make things not go right for them.
I'd also add that the west is much weaker than it seemed. They have no marquis wins except Baylor which is not really that special in the grand scheme. They've been beating the piss out of each other and talking about how good they are. Well they finally hit a good east team and got smacked in the mouth. And UNT has already beat 3 out of the 4 other top west teams. I don't see them having a problem with LATech later on.
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We are gonna know how good our D is in 2 weeks.
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We are currently dominating as well?
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Lol I’m enjoying all the Lane Kiffin coaching love on here tonight, who knew he was such an incredible head coach? He’s always done so much with so little🙄. I give FAU props for a couple good weeks, but the CUSA West is awful and they still have to play us, I can’t wait!
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Lol I’m enjoying all the Lane Kiffin coaching love on here tonight, who knew he was such an incredible head coach? He’s always done so much with so little🙄. I give FAU props for a couple good weeks, but the CUSA West is awful and they still have to play us, I can’t wait!
Kiffin is a good coach. His problem always has been that if you look up the word d....bag in the dictionary there's a picture of Lane Kiffin.
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Kiffin is a good coach. His problem always has been that if you look up the word d....bag in the dictionary there's a picture of Lane Kiffin.
That's why USC athletic director Pat Haden fired Kiffin at L.A.X. airport, didn't even allow Kiffin to ride the team bus back to campus, lol.
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Their offense is a sideline to sideline attack. That plays right into the strength of our defense.
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Their offense is a sideline to sideline attack. That plays right into the strength of our defense.
Agree. I also believe Kiffin is arrogant and doesn't respond well to adversity. We need to punch them early.
First things first though......FIU.
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Speaking of D-bags, did anyone see Hungoveragain's boys nearly pulling the choke of the season at Baylor? Held on and stopped 2 point PAT with seconds to go. "Baylor! . . . .Baylor! . . .Man, we talkin bout Baylor! . . ." (Apologies to A. Iverson, I'm sure). :D
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Agree. I also believe Kiffin is arrogant and doesn't respond well to adversity. We need to punch them early.
First things first though......FIU.
Like they say, every boxer has a plan till he gets hit. Put that QB on the ground a few times early and he's gonna second guess everything.
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If Kiffen is so good, why has he progressively gone down hill over the years in the coaching ranks?
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The basketball first boys, many of them on this thread, are always going to question the ability of our FB coaching staff and build up others, i.e., Lane Kiffen.....and downplay our wins. As I stated a few days ago, the FB team is setting the bar hih for BB. We'll see how well they do with their cupcake schedule. Quite honestly, I hope they do well, because driving 3 hours to see a BB game, as I do, and then losing, makes for a long, long tyip!
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It's not that some of us are "basketball fans", or are "haters", or are always "so doggone negative". It's that some of us have eyeballs and a brain.
1. We haven't beaten 1 team with a winning record all year. The team's records that we have beaten are atrocious, and I won't take the time to look them up (ok I will, it's 13-34...13-34!!! The teams we have beaten on average are 2-6 right now). Our BEST win came against AAC (who many of you like to belittle as a crap conference) LAST PLACE in the East Division 2-6 Cincinnati. That's our best win. Attention, attention...that's our best win. 2-6 Cellar Dweller Cinci.
2. Kiffin has turned that program around in one year. They are rolling. I don't see how anyone can deny that. And like the OP said, it shows just how decent (look I didn't even say GREAT, just decent) coaching can instantly turn a team around in a league like this. Say what you want about him, but there is a reason he has got a shot at coaching in the NFL and at various P5s. Just like there is a reason that Doc hasn't.
3. The game against them will be at THEIR PLACE.
4. We may be ranked by then. Adding more fuel to FAU's fire.
5. As a fan, player, or coach...I would go into the game with some humility and respect for what they are doing...because if not, you're going to be humbled after the game.
The upcoming stretch of below average teams on this pitiful schedule scares me. We'll see if we are actually average to good. We've played nobody so far and have struggled with some of those nobodies...like Charlotte and ODU. Now we are going to take a step up to the below average part of our schedule.
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The basketball first boys, many of them on this thread, are always going to question the ability of our FB coaching staff and build up others, i.e., Lane Kiffen.....and downplay our wins. As I stated a few days ago, the FB team is setting the bar hih for BB. We'll see how well they do with their cupcake schedule. Quite honestly, I hope they do well, because driving 3 hours to see a BB game, as I do, and then losing, makes for a long, long tyip!
Hello pot...meet kettle. That's twice you have referred to the basketball teams "cupcake schedule", but it's no surprise as you tend to take pot shots against anyone who is a D'Antoni fan. You do realize our ootbsll schedule is currently ranked 103 out of 130 don't you? If you lack the math skills, that places us with 79% of D1 football teams as having a tougher schedule than us. I will bet you right now our basketball schedule won't rank as low.
As for your potshot at herdorbust...how can any college football fan not be impressed with the 60 some points that FAU put up against UNT. I thought that would be a close game. Anyone using logic would think that will be a tough test for our D. He didn't say anything negative but as usual you want to throw basketball under the bus in a football thread.
Our football team is doing great. Better than I had hoped for and I had us pegged at 8-4. You don't have to downgrade our basketball team to build up what our football team has accomplished so far. You are exactly what you profess to being against.
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yeah but maybe you missed the part where he said he drives 3 hrs to watch BB? And we do have a couple BB fans so tough on FB they might be trolls..just the way it is. True we haven't played anyone but 6 and 1 still great after last yr and nothing wrong with saying so.
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I look at it as I'm a fan of each sport the same....I'm also happy where each program is right now. Honestly, with all objectivity if I had a pick a coach/staff from each sport as the over achiever and one as the under achiever it's a pretty easy choice.
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It's not that some of us are "basketball fans", or are "haters", or are always "so doggone negative". It's that some of us have eyeballs and a brain.
1. We haven't beaten 1 team with a winning record all year. The team's records that we have beaten are atrocious, and I won't take the time to look them up (ok I will, it's 13-34...13-34!!! The teams we have beaten on average are 2-6 right now). Our BEST win came against AAC (who many of you like to belittle as a crap conference) LAST PLACE in the East Division 2-6 Cincinnati. That's our best win. Attention, attention...that's our best win. 2-6 Cellar Dweller Cinci.
2. Kiffin has turned that program around in one year. They are rolling. I don't see how anyone can deny that. And like the OP said, it shows just how decent (look I didn't even say GREAT, just decent) coaching can instantly turn a team around in a league like this. Say what you want about him, but there is a reason he has got a shot at coaching in the NFL and at various P5s. Just like there is a reason that Doc hasn't.
3. The game against them will be at THEIR PLACE.
4. We may be ranked by then. Adding more fuel to FAU's fire.
5. As a fan, player, or coach...I would go into the game with some humility and respect for what they are doing...because if not, you're going to be humbled after the game.
The upcoming stretch of below average teams on this pitiful schedule scares me. We'll see if we are actually average to good. We've played nobody so far and have struggled with some of those nobodies...like Charlotte and ODU. Now we are going to take a step up to the below average part of our schedule.
Worst poster on any Herd site right here.
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I look at it as I'm a fan of each sport the same....I'm also happy where each program is right now. Honestly, with all objectivity if I had a pick a coach/staff from each sport as the over achiever and one as the under achiever it's a pretty easy choice.
that's how i see it. nothin wrong with constructive or any criticism based of FACT (which i'm learning to do), nothing wrong with guarded praise. can't neatly box every game or every fan or supposed trolls for that matter. we might have that down to the wire finish with anybody left on schedule...isn't that what everybody sort of wants...a strong Herd and strong cusa/opponents? i won't bitch if it's a nail biter, win or lose
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Worst poster on any Herd site right here.
He said without refuting a single statement in the post. Man you guys really hate objectivity. Nothing in that post screams as untrue. It's not even negative. Reading between the lines it just says they're probably the best team we're going to play and if we don't respect them and their venue it will cost us dearly.
One thing not mentioned is we should have a hefty Herd contingency in the stands between followers and players families/friends. So I'd put that on the plus side.
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His history suggest he is among the worst, and I don't care to sift through his posts to try and find something positive. Secondly, to have he and others continuously tell us how our accomplishments in football mean little due to our schedule doesn't sit well. Beating the teams you are supposed to beat puts you on the road to success.
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Heater isn't. They haven't faced a stifling defense yet, all season. We can force mistakes and throw them off their tempo. It's doable but we have to run like clockwork on D.
Heater can't stop their offense all night. Especially with us throwing 3 and out parties for 3 quarters every game. FAU is going to score 30-35 pts on us at a minimum. Can our offense put up 35 or 40?? Thats the question.
I have to mark it down as a loss, i do not trust Doc to have a game plan better than Kiffins. Its not that the talent isn't there to win, but i feel a bad weekend coming up
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If they hit 30 they best us, but I'm not conceding that they will hit 30. I watched yesterday's game and FAU's Singleterry is for real. Hands down the best back in the league. We will have our hands full with him but run defense is a strength for us.
As for their passing attack Driskel is garbage under any pressure, UNT however, provided almost none all game and with a clean pocket and WRs running uncovered all over the field he picked the Mean Green apart. He won't have it near as easy against us.
FAU will provide a stiff test and the division will be decided on Novermber 3rd. But, the Owls aren't as good as they looked yesterday, UNT never showed up and worst of all they laid down and quit as well.
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Herd wins by 14.
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Heater can't stop their offense all night. Especially with us throwing 3 and out parties for 3 quarters every game. FAU is going to score 30-35 pts on us at a minimum. Can our offense put up 35 or 40?? Thats the question.
I have to mark it down as a loss, i do not trust Doc to have a game plan better than Kiffins. Its not that the talent isn't there to win, but i feel a bad weekend coming up
closet FAU fan
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If we beat a FAU by 1 I will be happy.
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THE CHAMPSHERE, if you have a brain, I'll be surprised. You, and others on this forum, try to disguise your lack of REAL support for our FB team. You, and others, love to find fault with our program. Why?
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THE CHAMPSHERE, if you have a brain, I'll be surprised. You, and others on this forum, try to disguise your lack of REAL support for our FB team. You, and others, love to find fault with our program. Why?
Probably something to do with the ones who chose ignorance over logic and fact. Especially when you throw out the "real" fan (bleep). All credibility goes out the window with that %^&*.
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closet FAU fan
Just not a blind fan, FAU is playing the best football in cusa RIGHT NOW. I hope we whip them, but i feel like this one is an L and it will literally destroy our entire season if we lose.
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6-1 Start...has me taking another look. But as others have pointed out, the Herd has beaten no team of substance. While they played great against NC State we don't know whether or not that it was an aberration. Next! FIU. And if they win that game, I will almost be ready to eat crow. But unless Doc and Legg can come up with an innovative offensive game plan against the Owls that will support their defense, that bird will stay in the freezer until then.
FAU at home will and should be the favorite. That being said I will have a full tub of popcorn and my favorite adult beverage at the ready. I hope that it will be a great game and a Herd win, but it ain't fer sure.
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Have to believe that if Heater has any kind of a blitz package, this would certainly be the game to unveil it.
Would love to see us use a delayed corner blitz on occasion. Hopefully, this would be something that FAU, and their QB, wouldn't be prepared for.
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Have to believe that if Heater has any kind of a blitz package, this would certainly be the game to unveil it.
Would love to see us use a delayed corner blitz on occasion. Hopefully, this would be something that FAU, and their QB, wouldn't be prepared for.
At their pace, delaying more than a millisecond gets us torched. Better to blow them off the line and get paws in his face and on his person. Create a jumbled mess right in front of him. If we can.
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If they hit 30 they best us, but I'm not conceding that they will hit 30. I watched yesterday's game and FAU's Singleterry is for real. Hands down the best back in the league. We will have our hands full with him but run defense is a strength for us.
As for their passing attack Driskel is garbage under any pressure, UNT however, provided almost none all game and with a clean pocket and WRs running uncovered all over the field he picked the Mean Green apart. He won't have it near as easy against us.
FAU will provide a stiff test and the division will be decided on Novermber 3rd. But, the Owls aren't as good as they looked yesterday, UNT never showed up and worst of all they laid down and quit as well.
The FAU game will be for the East Division. Have to keep them under 30. Legg really needs to mix up the play calling. We give away too many plays with that handoff up the middle play and those short sideline passes. Throw the ball over the middle for first downs to keep drives alive. Come up with a power package where they cannot stop us from getting 2 yards or less on 3rd or 4th downs.
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I think (& hope) that the Herd's D-line will out-man FAU's O-line in a couple of weeks. That will definitely slow 'em down.
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so they've had some offensive output but i'm not gonna worry about our D, ST, penalties and turnover margins AND relative steady O and D lines, until proven otherwise. i think the O strategy/play selection has begun to open up a bit however painfully slow it's been. i'm thinking they've got more to prove than we do, regardless of last year's records. at home gives them a toe up but that is all they get for free. momentum/win over FIU is important and will go a long way to ease the travel to FL and as someone pointed out, weather could be one of the bigger worries.
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Have to believe that if Heater has any kind of a blitz package, this would certainly be the game to unveil it.
Would love to see us use a delayed corner blitz on occasion. Hopefully, this would be something that FAU, and their QB, wouldn't be prepared for.
Yes but you do realize they avg about 400 yds a game rushing the last 3-4 games don't you? Blitzing can get you burned bad at times the way they are running the football.
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Coaches can inspire and employ a great system but you still need the horses in the trenches to put up the W. If the talent level is about the same on both sides of the line of scrimmage then coaching can effect the outcome of the game.
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The bottom line if we can't beat FAU then we can just call it a season. FAU is not a world beater, do I respect them, yes! do I fear them, hell no! We need to step up and make all CUSA teams fearful of playing us. Some people on here are upset about our ranking and yet worried about beating FAU. Either we're good and have a championship team or we're not!
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Heater can't stop their offense all night. Especially with us throwing 3 and out parties for 3 quarters every game. FAU is going to score 30-35 pts on us at a minimum. Can our offense put up 35 or 40?? Thats the question.
I have to mark it down as a loss, i do not trust Doc to have a game plan better than Kiffins. Its not that the talent isn't there to win, but i feel a bad weekend coming up
I think our offense can put up 30-40 on their D easier than they can put up 30-40 on ours, IF we practice for up-tempo and are smart about getting on and off the field on defense for substitutions and get set up when we can. Like I said Heater practiced against this offense in 2013 as we were running it. If he remembers how he tested the '13 Herd in practice he can prepare them for FAU and it won't be that hard. But the kids have to put the work in.
If we hassle and hary them early on and put that QB on his back a few times it will knock them out of their gameplan. They've not played a defense like we are capable of delivering. If we deliver that defense to them they might not score 10.
In 2014, everybody that beat WKU said they did it by blitzing Doughty the whole game and forcing him to make bad decisions. We didn't run any blitz packages the entire first half. I didn't stick around to watch the second half because I was so disgusted we were handed the keys to the city and decided not to unlock the door. We didn't pressure him at all and he picked us apart every play. So it is possible to know how to beat someone and then choose not to do it. If that happens at FAU we will get killed. OTOH, if the team isn't watching the UNT/FAU game in the film room that entire week of prep then I will consider it a failure. That will sober them up to how wrong things can go if they don't stay focused.
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Yes but you do realize they avg about 400 yds a game rushing the last 3-4 games don't you? Blitzing can get you burned bad at times the way they are running the football.
I have watched every team in this league and our defense is the best in the league. FAU is good, but often teams that run up tempo can be frustrated if you knock them out of their rhythm, if Marshall can do that we win, if not, well you know. Get after their QB on third and long, no more rushing two or three, come after him, I recall before the game their announcers indicated the passing game needed lots of improvement and I feel sure that was not all solved in one game.
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Wish we would install a Chase under Center short yardage package. Hate that shotgun snap 5 yards back to hand it off to the RB trying to get 2 yards. This play has stalled many Herd drives. If not Chase, let Gaines take the snap under C.
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And even shorter than 2 yds!
It is harder to run 'downhill' with the 5-6 yd shotgun snap if your not run the QB sneak.
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Wish we would install a Chase under Center short yardage package. Hate that shotgun snap 5 yards back to hand it off to the RB trying to get 2 yards. This play has stalled many Herd drives. If not Chase, let Gaines take the snap under C.
Problem with never doing it is when we start doing it, it sticks out like a sore thumb. That means we have to develop a whole set of plays under center to disguise what exactly we are doing. We're pretty successful from shotgun, too, just as from under center isn't going to magically work 100% of the time. I'd prefer they do what they've practiced for and are comfortable with. Handoffs when the line gets pushed on top of you at the snap have a tendency to become fumbles quite a bit, too. They see us under center they're going to stack the box and we suddenly have no room to bounce it outside if needed. Trust our skill and speed.
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At their pace, delaying more than a millisecond gets us torched. Better to blow them off the line and get paws in his face and on his person. Create a jumbled mess right in front of him. If we can.
Don't know if we can physically manhandle their O line. Our D-line isn't the biggest, by a long shot. Just saying we need an occasional blitz, db or lb, just to mix things up a little. Certainly can't let their qb sit back and have a lot of time to throw; especially when we still have a cb or two who NEVER turn around to try and locate the ball.
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So who has FAU beaten that has you all so afraid of them? UNT? Other than that they have beaten two opponents the Herd has beaten, and lost to a make school in WEEK 4. Not the first week when they were still learning the system and things were new. I don’t doubt they’ll play tough and have talent, and being that it’s at home, but I think you’re giving them far too much credit. Kiffin has gotten the NFL and P5 jobs riding daddy’s coat tails and that’s it. He’s not great or USC wouldn’t have canned him. FIU is coming off a decent win over a much improved Tulane. UTSA is still going to be a tough one ad I wouldn’t count WKU out just yet either. But FAU is no world beater. They have one high scoring win over a 4-3 cusa west team.
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So who has FAU beaten that has you all so afraid of them? UNT? Other than that they have beaten two opponents the Herd has beaten, and lost to a make school in WEEK 4. Not the first week when they were still learning the system and things were new. I don’t doubt they’ll play tough and have talent, and being that it’s at home, but I think you’re giving them far too much credit. Kiffin has gotten the NFL and P5 jobs riding daddy’s coat tails and that’s it. He’s not great or USC wouldn’t have canned him. FIU is coming off a decent win over a much improved Tulane. UTSA is still going to be a tough one ad I wouldn’t count WKU out just yet either. But FAU is no world beater. They have one high scoring win over a 4-3 cusa west team.
Nobody said anyone "feared them". But let me turn the question around for you, and be honest. Who have we beat that would make them fear us? And they may have only one high scoring win. But who else has rushed for 400 yds avg the last 3 weeks. Not counting passing yardage. If we had of avg 400 yds the last 3 weeks we would be hearing how we are the best rushing team in America hands down. Any team should get credit for what they do instead of pretending 400yds rushing and 900 yds of offense is no big deal. Gaurantee if we were racking up those numbers we would be saying this offense is better than Pennington, Leftwich and Moss teams especially since they can't do anything for us now?
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And those yards came against who? They run a vastly different style of offense than we do. If they aren't racking up huge numbers they lost. And often when they do they still lose. They gained 412 yards of offense against Buffalo and lost because they gave up 458. They had 326 against Navy and gave up 526. They gained 248 against Wisconsin and gave up 564. They gained 439 against MTSU and still gave up 454. They gained 550 against ODU and still gave up 411. In the big win over NT they still gave up 402 yards of offense. They're offense is supposed to be their defense. If they aren't out gaining you then they lose. That is the style of offense they play. Our offense is predicated on scoring points, while maintaining TOP and keeping the other offenses off the field. I don't believe their offense is good enough to put up those types of numbers on our defense. Anytime they've run into a team that plays good defense they've lost. Our offense could put up the same numbers if we played in the style they play in. And with the amount of Herd supporters on here already calling the game a loss for us, then yes I would say that some of you FEAR them.
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I don't fear tem at . I fear us. Until we play someone with a pulse I will fear us. Once we prove we can beat good teams I will fear Doc and Legg. The problem is we wo' ge that chance because all that is left is mediocre teams lie FAU, WKU and UTSA. None of those teams are feared around the college football world. But the problem is they are better than the little sisters of the poor we have played so far.
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Respect everyone, fear no one.