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The place to talk Marshall University sports! => HerdFans => Topic started by: Ovaltine Jenkins on November 13, 2017, 05:15:58 PM
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of years? Who would you like to see interviewed? Off of the top of my head, I would see former Herd RB Coach and current Miami(FL) OC Robert Brown get a look.
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Going to have to be someone who works cheap.
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Someone with success at another level, younger guy wanting to move up who will take what we can pay, has balls, no ties to MU or WVU.
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Going to have to be someone who works cheap.
Which is doable. We could half Doc's salary and get a better coach. We have nowhere to go but up. One of the great things about hiring a smart, successful but unproven (in the FBS) young buck, is you can pay him like an unproven young buck FBS coach. Then hope he is good enough to leave in 3-4 years, then try again. If you don't get a good one the next time around you let him go in 2 years at a cheap buyout and try again. No contracts longer than 4 years.
Someone was making fun of WKU the other day calling them step ladder U or something. Boy I wish we could make the type of hires that would make us "step ladder U" someday.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. At the mid-major level your coach is either good enough to get hired away, or he's not good enough. We should never have a coach here as long as Doc's been here and definitely not more than a decade. We're not Penn St. or Florida St. or Oklahoma. If this is a coach's last stop we are in trouble. We need to be first stop U if anything.
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That Saban guy ain't bad.
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That Saban guy ain't bad.
Guys like Saban have to start somewhere. Maybe we can get lucky and get one.
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A young guy at the FCS level who has a proven track record of being a motivator and offensive guru. He would immediately double his salary here. Jmo
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Going to have to be someone who works cheap.
Why is that? Our current coach makes around 800 grand or so. Why is that cheap? For our peer teams that is pretty good. 800 Large in Huntington WV is a very nice salary. Plus, Marshall is patient with coaches. You are going to get 5 years at least(unless you leave on your own will).
Why do people think Marshall doesn't pay well?
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If looking for older, more established coach who has had a measure of success, Jim Grobe is a name coach.
If you're looking at the FCS ranks, the James Madison coach deserves a look.
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If looking for older, more established coach who has had a measure of success, Jim Grobe is a name coach.
If you're looking at the FCS ranks, the James Madison coach deserves a look.
Jmu coach has improved the win total of any program he's been at every year. But these players aren't all his. But he's motivating and winning with guys he didn't recruit which is a good sign.
Ga. Bulldogs OC is a good offensive coach. Worked at Pitt in 16 and NFL experience with Drew Brees and at Purdue with Bree's. I remember those old Purdue offenses. Lethal.
Look at what Heater did when he replaced Rippon. D was instantly better. If we can do this again on the OC side the Herd would be a very tough team to beat with reliable ST.
We currently avg 375 yards offense a game in college football. Not the NFL. That low of offensive production can not win every game.
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Why is that? Our current coach makes around 800 grand or so. Why is that cheap? For our peer teams that is pretty good. 800 Large in Huntington WV is a very nice salary. Plus, Marshall is patient with coaches. You are going to get 5 years at least(unless you leave on your own will).
Why do people think Marshall doesn't pay well?
Over half of the schools in our conference make more than Doc.
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Over half of the schools in our conference make more than Doc.
Doc makes around 800K total package according to the last reports published. If we bump that up to 850K for any new HC, that makes for a damn good living in the Huntington, WV area. Cost of living is much less there than many CUSA cities. Not to mention a loaner car, house payment, etc. that usually comes with these deals.
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Guys, I have already provided links to prove that there are a LOT of good P5 level OC's who are making $400k/year or less. They would all double their money to come be the HC of Marshall.
If we are talking about replacing Legg, then I think we should look at an explosive FCS offense, or getting a good QB coach from one of the top college offenses.
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I would go after JMU’s Mike Houston in a big, big way. Guy has won everywhere on multiple levels.
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I think that, if what the folks in the NFL say is true, we should all start to hope that Byron Leftwich has interest in coaching at the college level. I think he still has to put in time as an OC before we consider him ready to head the ship. Maybe by 2025?
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I think that, if what the folks in the NFL say is true, we should all start to hope that Byron Leftwich has interest in coaching at the college level. I think he still has to put in time as an OC before we consider him ready to head the ship. Maybe by 2025?
Why on Earth would he drop down and take huge cuts in salary from coaching in the NFL to come here? Especially seeing the success he has so far at that level. Won't happen. More likely to get Chad to coach here and we all know that won't happen. Not to mention he doesn't have to recruit, doesn't have to deal with academics and every other headache at the college level. I'd like to see it. Don't get me wrong, but not happening.
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Over half of the schools in our conference make more than Doc.
So that leaves about half that make less. I have looked up salaries. Doc is paid pretty well. Has some nice perks in a low cost of living area and has received contract extensions. A new coach is going to get at least 5 years based on history as Marshall is very patient with coaches. Unless they are a total disaster but MU was patient even with Snyder.
MU is a pretty good job. We have had some good coaches who either set themselves up nicely for a new job or retirement(doc and even legg). Pruett did well for himself. Chaump got a job at Navy out of it. Parish got a good gig. Donnan hit an elite job at Georgia. Doc walks off well to do when he retires.
I am not buying the woe is me crying a river about the job at Marshall. It is FAR from a dead end street job. People need to stop selling the program short and the woe is me crap spewing from the AD.
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I think that, if what the folks in the NFL say is true, we should all start to hope that Byron Leftwich has interest in coaching at the college level. I think he still has to put in time as an OC before we consider him ready to head the ship. Maybe by 2025?
Would love to see Leftwich roaming the sidelines in Htown, but only if he really wants the job. Doc would really have to change his mindset, as Leftwich will likely want a pro-style, aerial offense
Pipe dream, but fun to talk about..............
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Tony Petersen ?
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Somebody with absolutely NO TIES to Marshall University.
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Would love to see Leftwich roaming the sidelines in Htown, but only if he really wants the job. Doc would really have to change his mindset, as Leftwich will likely want a pro-style, aerial offense
Pipe dream, but fun to talk about..............
Leftwich needs to work in the pros for a few more years before he comes back here. OC a team there.
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Somebody with absolutely NO TIES to Marshall University.
Why not Petersen? The last successful Marshall coach played here, I'm talking about the great Bobby Pruett.
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Stan Parrish was a good example of a young up and comer with no ties to Marshall.
It'll never happen again with Hamrick.
As I've said before, he's the root of all the problems.
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Why not Petersen? The last successful Marshall coach played here, I'm talking about the great Bobby Pruett.
So did Mark Snyder so we're shooting 50%. I just think big picture Leftwich is a better sell to recruits than Peterson.
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So did Mark Snyder so we're shooting 50%. I just think big picture Leftwich is a better sell to recruits than Peterson.
Any coach would be better than Doc Holliday, who you're defending adamantly! You're either "a relative or you work in the Shewey Building"
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Any coach would be better than Doc Holliday, who you're defending adamantly! You're either "a relative or you work in the Shewey Building"
I'm answering a hypothetical, man. Read the title of the thread.
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I truly believe this is not in anyway going to happen...would MU pull a Bill Stewart...in no way trying to infer Doc and Bill are or were similar, but the money involved in Morgantown was huge and I personally thought it had a smell...let’s just hope for a new offensive coordinator. I think we deserve this...but not really anymore at this stage...
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Kevin Sumlin if he gets let go. I would also consider giving Jake Spavital a shot. From on our staff I would consider Fuller.
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I truly believe this is not in anyway going to happen...would MU pull a Bill Stewart...in no way trying to infer Doc and Bill are or were similar, but the money involved in Morgantown was huge and I personally thought it had a smell...let’s just hope for a new offensive coordinator. I think we deserve this...but not really anymore at this stage...
That would all depend on the circumstances around the regime change. If we tank and Doc is fired then there should be complete overhaul. If Doc retires or leaves then they might consider promotion from inside but I think at this point the obvious choice would be Heater.
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Doc isn't going anywhere and I'm perfectly fine with Doc if we can get a good OC in here.
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Doc isn't going anywhere and I'm perfectly fine with Doc if we can get a good OC in here.
That's why I'm thinking Leftwich is a viable candidate, Doc is 60 and I doubt he stays as vibrant as DD. If Byron gets some real experience as an OC in the NFL he would make total sense.
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Why not Petersen? The last successful Marshall coach played here, I'm talking about the great Bobby Pruett.
My prefererance outside of Petersen would be Chad period along with Bryon no doubt what a combination. Keep the rest of the staff for now! Let Hamrick go as well to much of a yes ma’am !
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Herd has NFL wr's, now need a wide open NFL style offense. Marshall would be a Top 25 team each year with a stud offense and just having the same type of D we have now. If all 3 phases get better, look out!!
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Leftwich could coach at Marshall right now. He's experienced enough. He's a professional.
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Leftwich could coach at Marshall right now. He's experienced enough. He's a professional.
I'm not saying Leftwich couldn't coach here, but keep in mind as with any profession there's an old adage called "paying your dues". There's a reason why coaches like Pruett, Saban, Ricth, etc has paid their dues taking very different coaching jobs to climb the ladder. I can remember coach Pruett wanting the job before Donnan was hired and was told he didn't have enough experience. There's a lot of X's, and O's that goes into being a head coach.
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CHAD !!!!! Byron as OC ;D
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I love Chad, he's the best QB our program has ever seen. He probably understands the game and offenses as well as anyone in America. But coaching is more than x's and o's. Chad's never ran a program and as far as I know never been part of a coaching staff of any kind. If you want to be a coach you should have experience as an HC, OC, DC, or AHC. Byron is taking the road to being a coach and if he wants to coach the Herd one day he should get his fair shot.
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Guys I'm telling you. The notion of you need a ton of experience to HC is just not so. You either have the juice or not. The only reason college HC is even close to difficult is bc of the ever changing NCAA rules and relying on 18-23 year olds to win. Other than that it's fair game for anybody that knows the sport well. Lefty knows the game well enough to coach college ball right now.
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Jim Tressel or Jimmy Johnson, Maybe Peyton Manning as OC.
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No doubt in my mind, Firin' Byron could step into an OC role at MU tomorrow. Talk about revitalizing the Program ! He would be a great sell to the most talented offensive recruits. He could go into any living room and come away with a commitment up to 9 times out of 10 IMHO. He is so real as a person and charismatic. He is basically just a big kid, but very intelligent about offense from all his experience at every imaginable level.
Marshall Football would be fun again, win or even lose.
p2m
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Head coaching job is about being a good PR guy and hiring good coaches around you. The HC position has become about being good in the press conferences and glad handing the supporters. The coordinators do the coaching with the HC overseeing the operation. Pruett and Donnan both had great coaches surrounding them which helped them become great coaches, and of course, Pruett was great in the press room and with the supporters. He wasn't just popular here because he won.
On that note, I say hire Belichik. He'll win number 6 this year, Brady will retire and he'll step down.
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Kevin Sumlin if he gets let go. I would also consider giving Jake Spavital a shot. From on our staff I would consider Fuller.
Sumlin would kill at Marshall, imo
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If there is a change in the next couple of years????????
I want one in the next couple of HOURS.
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I love Chad, he's the best QB our program has ever seen. He probably understands the game and offenses as well as anyone in America. But coaching is more than x's and o's. Chad's never ran a program and as far as I know never been part of a coaching staff of any kind. If you want to be a coach you should have experience as an HC, OC, DC, or AHC. Byron is taking the road to being a coach and if he wants to coach the Herd one day he should get his fair shot.
Where did Doc run a program, or where was Doc an HC, OC, DC before being handed the Marshall job on a silver platter?
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No doubt in my mind, Firin' Byron could step into an OC role at MU tomorrow. Talk about revitalizing the Program ! He would be a great sell to the most talented offensive recruits. He could go into any living room and come away with a commitment up to 9 times out of 10 IMHO. He is so real as a person and charismatic. He is basically just a big kid, but very intelligent about offense from all his experience at every imaginable level.
Marshall Football would be fun again, win or even lose.
Would there be any possibility of making Byron a 'co-Offensive Coordinator'?
Of course, (1) Byron would have to be willing to move from the NFL back to college...(2) you'd have to find room for Todd Goebbel somewhere else...(3) you'd also have to either find room elsewhere for Bill Legg or he'd be stepping down.
Bringing back such an icon as Byron would indeed be a massive offensive shot in the arm. I'm not sure Byron's ready to give up that NFL position with the Arizona Cardinals yet. I think his knowledge is certainly sufficient enough to warrant at least a co-OC, if not giving him the reigns and letting him grow into the position. Fundraising and stadium support would also likely return in a big way.
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Where did Doc run a program, or where was Doc an HC, OC, DC before being handed the Marshall job on a silver platter?
He was associate Head Coach at Florida, WVU, and NC State.
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He was associate Head Coach at Florida, WVU, and NC State.
You do understand what that title essentially is right?
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He was also a position coach or recruiting coordinator at those three schools. I do know that at WVU, it was a title due to his long service and a salary "issue" at Morgantown. Imagine, over 20 years at your alma mater and he was never ever considered for the head coaching job or being a coordinator.
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He was associate Head Coach at Florida, WVU, and NC State.
That basically means he was give a title or is used to get someone some extra money.Also, it is used sometimes for a coach that runs the practice schedule and handles the recruiting duties and throw them a title and a bit more money for doing those duties.
Do you think he would have really ever stood a shot at being the head coach at one of those schools? Not a chance.
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If Holliday would surround himself with a stud OC and Kicker (Ratke) he would win bc Heater is a good D coord 75% of the time. 3/4 games Heater's D has been played well enough to win easily.
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Butch Jones is available...
I'd also like to see Rod Carey get a good look. I like what he has continued to accomplish at NIU. Someone from the Toledo coaching tree might be good too; Jason Candle doing a good job there right now.
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Believe Butch Jones "flirted" with the MU job before Doc was hired. He also was after the Cincinnati job, which he got, at the same time. From Cincy, he went on to Tenn.
As for Tressel, I believe he is the President at Youngstown State. Doubt if he would go back into coaching at this time.
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Believe Butch Jones "flirted" with the MU job before Doc was hired. He also was after the Cincinnati job, which he got, at the same time. From Cincy, he went on to Tenn.
As for Tressel, I believe he is the President at Youngstown State. Doubt if he would go back into coaching at this time.
I wasn't in any way serious about Tressel. Just making a point about how ridiculous it is for people to seriously think Byron would leave the NFL coaching ranks for this level, even if it is his alma mater or that Chad would coach after the seemingly millions of times he's been asked and replied he has no desire to coach at the college level.
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He was associate Head Coach at Florida, WVU, and NC State.
LOL......I knew someone would come back with this reply. Associate Head Coach is a PC term in the coaching ranks equivalent to a participation trophy. Doc has NEVER been the main man calling any kind of play on any sideline prior to being handed the HC job at Marshall. That includes High School, Middle School, and Youth League football teams.
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Butch Jones is available...
I'd also like to see Rod Carey get a good look. I like what he has continued to accomplish at NIU. Someone from the Toledo coaching tree might be good too; Jason Candle doing a good job there right now.
If we are looking at retreads, I prefer Sumlin over Jones
My .02
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I thought Sumlin, who I'd agree with, was already back in the active coaching field (for some reason).
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Everything I see on Sumlin says he's on the hotseat at A&M.
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Everything I see on Sumlin says he's on the hotseat at A&M.
Sumlin is gone after season's end. I wish we could be like Florida, Texas, Texas A&M, those schools don't stand for being mediocre. Either you win or you're gone!