Topic: What is worse for Men's hoops?

[Lord Haw-Haw]

I predicted 10-15 wins

Straight up we should be at the top of this conference (top 4) with this flawed roster

DD has done a terrible job coaching this year

It's just time folks

It was time two years ago when Danny had the worst season in 29 years. And you said so then in here. No contract going forward you said (as it was in actuality). And then newbie Spears fell in line with the clique running the show. Two more years of this. Gosh. Marshall is going to be totally irrelevant in men's basketball by that time. Danny clings to his job even more strongly than Doc Holliday did.

[Herdiowa]

I was time two years ago when Danny had the worst year in 29 seasons. And you yourself said so then in here. No contract going forward you said (as in actuality). And then newbie Spears fell in line with the clique running the show. Two more years of this. Gosh. Marshall is going to be totally irrelevant in men's basketball by that time. Danny clings to his job even more strongly than Doc Holliday did.

This is the big issue.  Him staying will hurt the program for years after he leaves. 

[svherd]

It's just time. We'll see if Spears is his own man or cowers to the Dantoni family/clique.

[MUther]

Merge with the women, use their coach, form one team?

Would be an interesting league where each team had to have a minimum of two women on the floor at all times.  Then we would see who the real coaches were.

[herdorbust2]

Danny is still in denial. He said in the post game that they are in good shape to just play 3 games instead of 4 in the tournament. He is in 7th place right now that guarantees 4 games. You have to get into the top 4 to only play 3 games and that isn't going to happen unless a miracle happens. And he still thinks they are in good shape? He better be worried about having to play 5 games at this point.

[herd1990]

Danny is still in denial. He said in the post game that they are in good shape to just play 3 games instead of 4 in the tournament. He is in 7th place right now that guarantees 4 games. You have to get into the top 4 to only play 3 games and that isn't going to happen unless a miracle happens. And he still thinks they are in good shape? He better be worried about having to play 5 games at this point.

No chance this team wins another game this season outside of the Ga So game (and that's no gimme with this D2 squad).  We will be one and done come tourney time.  Guaranteed.

[Collis P]

No chance this team wins another game this season outside of the Ga So game (and that's no gimme with this D2 squad).  We will be one and done come tourney time.  Guaranteed.

Wow! that would be 8 and 10 or 7 and 11..............    that is really Sad if that happens!!

[ThunderingHerdFan]

It was time two years ago when Danny had the worst season in 29 years. And you said so then in here. No contract going forward you said (as it was in actuality). And then newbie Spears fell in line with the clique running the show. Two more years of this. Gosh. Marshall is going to be totally irrelevant in men's basketball by that time. Danny clings to his job even more strongly than Doc Holliday did.

For accuracy's sake, we went 6-22 in 04-05.  Beat WVU.  Went 12-17 in 03-04.  Went 12-16 in 05-06. Beat WVU. Went 13-19 in 06-07.  Beat Virginia Tech. Went 13-19 in 2012-2013.  Went 11-22 in 2013-2014.  Went 11-21 in 2014-2015 (I think we can all agree that inherited roster was bad, and pre-transfer portal it was not a one year fix).  So the 12-21 season in 2021-2022 was not the worst in 29 years. It did blend in with a group of bad years in the past 15-20 years. The sad fact is we've had 8 such seasons in the past 21. I'm not making any excuses for it, either. I just prefer accuracy over embellishment.

[gochneaur645]

Comparing our records in the C-USA with Memphis to the current SBC is pretty useless so here's a list of our KenPom rankings which goes back to 2002:

White (170 avg)
2002- 166
2003- 174

Jirsa (198.8 avg)
2004- 180
2005- 202
2006- 223
2007- 190

Donnie (124.7 avg)
2008- 139
2009- 154
2010- 81

Herrion (154 avg)
2011- 85
2012- 78 (NIT)
2013- 217
2014- 236

Dan (159.2 avg)
2015- 261
2016- 147
2017- 149
2018- 105 (NCAA)
2019- 157 (CIT champs)
2020- 143
2021- 92
2022- 238
2023- 83
2024- 217

By that metric, Dan is responsible for our worst 2 seasons since 2002 with this year pushing for about the 4th or 5th worst. He's also responsible for our 3rd and 5th best seasons although those both ended with opening round tourney losses to very bad teams.

Our NCAA team was only our 6th best team of that era according to the numbers.

[scope58]

The wins were available because this conference isn't very good. Marshall has too good a fanbase to finish in the bottom half of this league.

Your exactly right

[banker]

I'm convinced that fan unhappiness played at least some part in pushing Snyder out and pushing Doc out   As a fan that loves Marshall complaining about DD is something I consider to be my duty as a Herd fan.  I honestly like DD, I was supportive of his hire and enjoyed his early years, but face it, things have changed and it is time for a change.

I agree, but will say the same thing that I say about people that complain about attendance on message boards - you?re preaching to the choir. If people take the time to post on message boards most are already attending. Most on here know Dan is t getting it done and needs to go. The place to get your message across is with the people who can actually do something.

I get it, I vent on here, my only point was we knew it was coming so why let it wreck your day?  It the school wants to keep losing then they will stay on this path. I?ll tell the people in the AD and BG that I?ll just give up on basketball until they decide to get serious, it?s all I can do. When we suck again next year it won?t bother me because I am already prepared for it.  What hurts is when you think you should be good and you just aren?t. We weren?t suppose to be good so I just laugh it off.

[coalherd]

Can anyone tell me exactly WHAT at this date has Danny recruited that will at least replace what (who) we know we will be losing for the 24-25 season?

Any sure fired players who are skilled enough and prepared to step in on Day 1 and positively contribute at the SBC level, admittedly the weakest basketball conference we've been affiliated with since our SO CON days, if then?  Or are they the typical "projects" Danny has been well known to have brought to MU and "developed so well"?

[DC01HERD]

We should be a perennial double bye team going into the conference tournament. It's frustrating losing to these teams that have fanbases that don't care about basketball.

Dan is delusional when he says we are in good position for the conference tournament.

[Bob25526]

And, this conference is bad, we are bad in a lousy conference.

[coalherd]

We should be a perennial double bye team going into the conference tournament. It's frustrating losing to these teams that have fanbases that don't care about basketball.

Dan is delusional when he says we are in good position for the conference tournament.

But to get to the point of being a "perennial double bye team", that would mean the  team and coaches would have to play and coach as if the regular season games meant SOMETHING or A LOT!!  Which clearly from Coach's words/statements they "DON'T"!!

[FilmJunky]

Let's not all act like we are shocked here. I mean did any of us actually think before the season this team could be competitive?

[Lord Haw-Haw]

For accuracy's sake, we went 6-22 in 04-05.  Beat WVU.  Went 12-17 in 03-04.  Went 12-16 in 05-06. Beat WVU. Went 13-19 in 06-07.  Beat Virginia Tech. Went 13-19 in 2012-2013.  Went 11-22 in 2013-2014.  Went 11-21 in 2014-2015 (I think we can all agree that inherited roster was bad, and pre-transfer portal it was not a one year fix).  So the 12-21 season in 2021-2022 was not the worst in 29 years. It did blend in with a group of bad years in the past 15-20 years. The sad fact is we've had 8 such seasons in the past 21. I'm not making any excuses for it, either. I just prefer accuracy over embellishment.

But in 2021-22 we had a most paltry 4-14 conference record (.222) and in 2004-05 a 3-15 conference record (.167). Marshall has a worse recent history than I thought. Danites will continue to exalt their leader.

[Lord Haw-Haw]

Comparing our records in the C-USA with Memphis to the current SBC is pretty useless so here's a list of our KenPom rankings which goes back to 2002:

White (170 avg)
2002- 166
2003- 174

Jirsa (198.8 avg)
2004- 180
2005- 202
2006- 223
2007- 190

Donnie (124.7 avg)
2008- 139
2009- 154
2010- 81

Herrion (154 avg)
2011- 85
2012- 78 (NIT)
2013- 217
2014- 236

Dan (159.2 avg)
2015- 261
2016- 147
2017- 149
2018- 105 (NCAA)
2019- 157 (CIT champs)
2020- 143
2021- 92
2022- 238
2023- 83
2024- 217

By that metric, Dan is responsible for our worst 2 seasons since 2002 with this year pushing for about the 4th or 5th worst. He's also responsible for our 3rd and 5th best seasons although those both ended with opening round tourney losses to very bad teams.

Our NCAA team was only our 6th best team of that era according to the numbers.

Thanks, a good post. Marshall had a good thing going from 2009-2012 but Herrion drove us off the cliff in a hurry.