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The place to talk Marshall University sports! => HerdFans => Topic started by: herd2win on February 23, 2024, 09:25:37 AM
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A chance the Women's team has bigger crowds next year than the Men's if the ladies win the conference and the Men's team bows out again in the first round.
I could see 2500-3000 for each team.
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MBB has a long way to go to fall down to that #. i just checked out tix on HZ for tom's game...there's definitely less than 200 tix available, which means another 5k+ in paid attendance. there's a lotta people that just can't get enough of DD!
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MBB has a long way to go to fall down to that #. i just checked out tix on HZ for tom's game...there's definitely less than 200 tix available, which means another 5k+ in paid attendance. there's a lotta people that just can't get enough of DD!
You have to understand that is tickets already sold. There aren't that many butts in the seats. And once this year is over, will those people continue buying season tickets?
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If you are advocating for a change (which I know you are), then the attendance/donations/money angle is not a winning argument. All are near all-time program highs. There is no chance paid attendance falls from 4.5k to less than 3k. Make all the fair performance-based augments you want about D'Antoni, but there is absolutely no indication that "money" support has or is leaving him.
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If you are advocating for a change (which I know you are), then the attendance/donations/money angle is not a winning argument. All are near all-time program highs. There is no chance paid attendance falls from 4.5k to less than 3k. Make all the fair performance-based augments you want about D'Antoni, but there is absolutely no indication that "money" support has or is leaving him.
Oh I think it is. I've watched games on TV and the actually butts don't match the announced attendance. I know where I sat, at times it looks like a ghost town compared to last year. And wait until next year.
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I really don't care any more. If fans wanna be stupid and support mediocrity, that's cool. I won't be attending any games soon. I'll support mens and womens soccer, softball, baseball and football with my money.
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If you are advocating for a change (which I know you are), then the attendance/donations/money angle is not a winning argument. All are near all-time program highs. There is no chance paid attendance falls from 4.5k to less than 3k. Make all the fair performance-based augments you want about D'Antoni, but there is absolutely no indication that "money" support has or is leaving him.
I don't disagree with much of this, but men's basketball is not even close to an all-time high in attendance.
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I don't disagree with much of this, but men's basketball is not even close to an all-time high in attendance.
Yep. Huck years, averaged over 8K. They didn't have to tarp it then.
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I don't disagree with much of this, but men's basketball is not even close to an all-time high in attendance.
We have been at 35-year attendance highs during the D'Antoni era. We ARE at highs for total program revenue. The general sentiment stands that trying to speculate attendance is a DOA non-starter of an argument.
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Oh I think it is. I've watched games on TV and the actually butts don't match the announced attendance. I know where I sat, at times it looks like a ghost town compared to last year. And wait until next year.
You seem to be correct if you watch some of the "highlights" on the ESPN link from the last game. It is only one camera angle, but you can see a lot of empty seats. There is one quick view of the behind basket seats and that area is really empty. Seats "sold" is not translating into large numbers of fans attending the games.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/scoreboard/_/date/20240221/group/27
I have to talked to several of my friends who live in Huntington about the situation. Several have dropped season tickets and others that have season tickets just don't attend the games anymore.
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We have been at 35-year attendance highs during the D'Antoni era. We ARE at highs for total program revenue. The general sentiment stands that trying to speculate attendance is a DOA non-starter of an argument.
That's awesome. Where is this information available?
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You seem to be correct if you watch some of the "highlights" on the ESPN link from the last game. It is only one camera angle, but you can see a lot of empty seats. There is one quick view of the behind basket seats and that area is really empty. Seats "sold" is not translating into large numbers of fans attending the games.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/scoreboard/_/date/20240221/group/27
I have to talked to several of my friends who live in Huntington about the situation. Several have dropped season tickets and others that have season tickets just don't attend the games anymore.
I know quite a few the dropped them this year like I did. I sat behind the basket and can't believe how empty it is at times. It was always about 90 % full.
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Bogus comments on this thread. We are not at San attendance high for over the last 35 years. Hucks teams averaged way more and so do Herrion, Donnie Jones and Donavan. If you want to say percent to capacity maybe as half the arena is tarped.
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The problem of saying that "well, we are at a 35-year high for attendance" doesn't paint the entire picture.
I have season tickets. The Marshall crowd right now is a much older crowd compared to almost any college fan base in America. I have nothing against our older fans either. They have stuck with Marshall basketball thru thick and thin.
But we do very little to build the fan base for the future. I thought tarping off those seats was one of the worst ideas I have ever seen to reject families of four or five or six that have tight budgets. That gave a chance for people, without a lot of money at a younger age, to come to more games and bring children to games. I feel it is and was very short-sighted to tarp off affordable seats. We need to start hooking the younger generation into Marshall basketball.
I sat in GA seats with my mom and dad in the 70s. We didn't have a lot of money. Those seats gave us a chance to go to games as a family. Huckaby's teams got me hooked ever since. But what does our athletic program do to attract younger fans??? We have a 76-year old coach who complains way too much. We took away affordable seats (and don't give me the handrail crap). We do little in the way of ticket promotions. The excitement level really seems to be fading, and when that happens, the younger ones are the first to go.
Marshall needs to look strongly at how they can start generating interest from all ages and grow the fan base for the future. That is where we really don't have much vision. It seems more of our students are coming to women's games than they are the men. That might tell you something.
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You have to understand that is tickets already sold. There aren't that many butts in the seats. And once this year is over, will those people continue buying season tickets?
I think more important than will people continue buying season tickets, is the question will they switch which program they buy season tickets for. Face it there has been a significant switch in which program people are choosing to watch. People who previously chose to watch men's BB have switched to choosing to watch women's BB. If season ticket holders make the same change the attendance statics difference could change dramatically over the course of one or two seasons.
Herd fans have shown they will follow and reward a winner, witness the rapid increase in men's soccer. If DD's folds up in the next couple of weeks, like it did last year, and Cauldwell wins the season championship, wins the tournament, and pulls off a couple of March madness wins, you'd see fans show why we are called the Thundering Herd.
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Bogus comments on this thread. We are not at San attendance high for over the last 35 years. Hucks teams averaged way more and so do Herrion, Donnie Jones and Donavan. If you want to say percent to capacity maybe as half the arena is tarped.
Huck's teams were more than 35 years ago.
The average attendance during the Donnie Jones era was 5,053 (267,799 in 53 home games). The average attendance during D'Antoni's era through last season accumulated (not including the COVID season) is 5,305 (705,688 total in 133 games). While Donovan's first season was higher than D'Antoni's average in only 12 games, his second season (5,500 in 12 games) was practically level with D'Antoni's average.
Again, use performance-based arguments all you want. Financials including gate only tell the admin to keep D'Antoni. People here were saying our attendance was going to crumble this year with the way last season ended and the loss of Kinsey, Taylor, and Handlogten. With this season home finale remaining likely being a sell-out, our final attendance numbers this year are going to be end up being virtually even with last year's average attendance, perhaps might end up slightly better by the narrowest of margins!
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I have season tickets. The Marshall crowd right now is a much older crowd compared to almost any college fan base in America. I have nothing against our older fans either. They have stuck with Marshall basketball thru thick and thin.
But we do very little to build the fan base for the future. I thought tarping off those seats was one of the worst ideas I have ever seen to reject families of four or five or six that have tight budgets. That gave a chance for people, without a lot of money at a younger age, to come to more games and bring children to games. I feel it is and was very short-sighted to tarp off affordable seats. We need to start hooking the younger generation into Marshall basketball.
I will agree with this, and not only for basketball, but for football as well. I do think soccer has done a great job of getting a younger crowd, and hopefully baseball will bring in some families in the near future. As they are, families and youth do seem to be either priced out of football or unmotivated. Marshall has done things recently like the Sweetheart Clinic, the Dance and Cheer clinic that performed at a game, the WBB student days, that do seem to focus on getting a fair number of youth in the doors to basketball games. But I do agree that the average age of our fan-base would be a concern.
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Couple of points. One, attendance is decent becuase alot of the doners believe in what DD tells them. The old I'm *&$#@* take his southern BS WV slang crap. The prez and ad care about money, money money. Winning or fielding a competitive team means nothing. Hence, the perception of the program outside of Huntington is simple plain disgust.
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Two or three observations:
A lot of the season ticket seats aren't filled with butts even during good seasons. Students have been aced out of good seats for the most part over the years.
Students can get good seating for the women's games because, as of yet, the big money entities aren't scarfing up all the lower bowl seats.
In general, WCBB is an inferior product to watch compared to MCBB. This year's Herd seasons are the exception to the rule, because the men's team has been unwatchable for much of its season.
Finally, despite how crappy this season has been, has anyone heard any rumors regarding DD like we did with Huff?
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I see we beat Michigan State in baseball today. Let me see, Herd Softball beat Michigan State; Herd Women's Basketball beats Florida; Herd Football beats Notre Dame and Herd Soccer beats just about every major school.
Edit: I forgot about our great W Tennis Team who also beats the big time programs.
A lot of people post that Marshall is just a poor school located in a city with drug problems and poverty and we have the smallest enrollment in D1. But we can compete with the big boys sometimes. It just shows you what a good coach can do with limited resources.
When is Dan ever going to beat a big time or P5 school? Maybe Dan needs to talk to the other Herd coaches on how play and win a game over the big time programs. Why can the other Herd coaches go against quality programs and win, but not Dan? Of course Dan doesn't want to play tough teams, bring on UPike and the WVIC teams. LOL
Seriously, we need a new men's basketball coach who can elevate the program.
#retire dan
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There are at least 1/3 less people sitting in seats this year as compared to last, I really don't care what paid attendance is.
I've seen every game replay and the overall views looking down shows at least 1/2 full or empty, choose whichever you will.
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There are at least 1/3 less people sitting in seats this year as compared to last, I really don't care what paid attendance is.
I've seen every game replay and the overall views looking down shows at least 1/2 full or empty, choose whichever you will.
It looks fuller than it is because fans are scattered out. But if you look closely there are just as many empty seats as there are occupied, maybe more. I would guess 2500-3000 actual butts in the seats.
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...but the seats are sold. these folks not showing up to sit in their seat, the "damage" ($ supporting the program status quo) is already done. all i know is, less than 200 people can walk up to the ticket window tomorrow & be allowed in b/c almost all of the tix have been sold. if we were 15-0 SBC, we wouldn't make any more $ from ticket sales for tom's game than what we're going to be taking in being 7-8. that's what maclid is saying, the $ being taken in vs. potential is not a winning argument. there's no way if we're selling 5k+ tix to watch a 7-8 team in a horrible conference with a terrible schedule, that we're gonna drop 2k-3k in attendance next season. it blows my mind as much as it does anyone else's, but it is what it is...DD, for as terrible of a college coach as he is, has a lotta support here.
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You have to understand that is tickets already sold. There aren't that many butts in the seats. And once this year is over, will those people continue buying season tickets?
i totally understand the point you're making, & I've made the same observations as you have regarding empty seats. i'm disagreeing with your last point...i don't think those no-shows will stop buying season tix. i really hope they prove me wrong, but anybody that was still buying season tix after '21-'22, i don't think anything would compel them to stop buying!
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i totally understand the point you're making, & I've made the same observations as you have regarding empty seats. i'm disagreeing with your last point...i don't think those no-shows will stop buying season tix. i really hope they prove me wrong, but anybody that was still buying season tix after '21-'22, i don't think anything would compel them to stop buying!
Oh yes they will. There were seats dropped this year. Next year will be more dropping tickets. And don't think even if some tickets are sold that an empty arena opens their eyes.
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I have come to the realization that Dan is going to be MUs coach for 2 more years. There are zero signs that anything else is just a dream. You can tell by Dans comments he is not going to step down and no indication from Spears.
You would think Spears would see what Caldwell is accomplishing and want the same for the Men's team.
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I have come to the realization that Dan is going to be MUs coach for 2 more years. There are zero signs that anything else is just a dream. You can tell by Dans comments he is not going to step down and no indication from Spears.
You would think Spears would see what Caldwell is accomplishing and want the same for the Men's team.
Keep the pressure on. Don't give in because that is what they are hoping will happen. Either they get serious about Marshall basketball or the fans stay home should be the strategy from the fans. The fans hold all the power if they demand better. Or we can settle for a 77 year old coach that is 11-16 and playing a boring brand of ball scoring in the 50-60s. It's totally up to the fans!!
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Oh yes they will. There were seats dropped this year. Next year will be more dropping tickets. And don't think even if some tickets are sold that an empty arena opens their eyes.
Again, you do not get to make that claim. You were factually proven incorrect last year. We are essentially selling out a finale at the end of this season. The financials and fan support do not backup any wild claim that it is disappearing now or next year.
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Again, you do not get to make that claim. You were factually proven incorrect last year. We are essentially selling out a finale at the end of this season. The financials and fan support do not backup any claim that it is disappearing.
Open your eyes Danny!!!
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Open your eyes Danny!!!
Make a factual argument.
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Again, you do not get to make that claim. You were factually proven incorrect last year. We are essentially selling out a finale at the end of this season. The financials and fan support do not backup any claim that it is disappearing.
You keep defending this team. Do you believe Dan is a good coach and has assembled a quality team? Or are you just stating attendance numbers?
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You keep defending this team. Do you believe Dan is a good coach and has assembled a quality team? Or are you just stating attendance numbers?
I think his performance as a coach, especially how the roster was constructed this year, can absolutely be questioned - especially seeing what's happening in other sports (like WBB). Saying fan support is disappearing or is going to disappear is not remotely reality.
Also I will just point out I have not "defending this team" or its performance at all in this thread - I'm correcting you that your argument about attendance and future support is hogwash.
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I really don't care any more. If fans wanna be stupid and support mediocrity, that's cool. I won't be attending any games soon. I'll support mens and womens soccer, softball, baseball and football with my money.
Why not women's basketball?
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The problem of saying that "well, we are at a 35-year high for attendance" doesn't paint the entire picture.
I have season tickets. The Marshall crowd right now is a much older crowd compared to almost any college fan base in America. I have nothing against our older fans either. They have stuck with Marshall basketball thru thick and thin.
But we do very little to build the fan base for the future. I thought tarping off those seats was one of the worst ideas I have ever seen to reject families of four or five or six that have tight budgets. That gave a chance for people, without a lot of money at a younger age, to come to more games and bring children to games. I feel it is and was very short-sighted to tarp off affordable seats. We need to start hooking the younger generation into Marshall basketball.
I sat in GA seats with my mom and dad in the 70s. We didn't have a lot of money. Those seats gave us a chance to go to games as a family. Huckaby's teams got me hooked ever since. But what does our athletic program do to attract younger fans??? We have a 76-year old coach who complains way too much. We took away affordable seats (and don't give me the handrail crap). We do little in the way of ticket promotions. The excitement level really seems to be fading, and when that happens, the younger ones are the first to go.
Marshall needs to look strongly at how they can start generating interest from all ages and grow the fan base for the future. That is where we really don't have much vision. It seems more of our students are coming to women's games than they are the men. That might tell you something.
Where were the GA tickets at the field house? Were they in the end upstairs with bleachers?
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I really don't care any more. If fans wanna be stupid and support mediocrity, that's cool. I won't be attending any games soon. I'll support mens and womens soccer, softball, baseball and football with my money.
You can't quit going to games because coachmaclid said so lol!!! He sees people in all those empty seats.
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Open your eyes Danny!!!
Danites are alive and living in here. One has chosen to contest your assertions in this thread. I am not that person.
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You can't quit going to games because coachmaclid said so lol!!! He sees people in all those empty seats.
The people he (Coach Maclid) sees sitting in the seats are the Invisible Men and the Invisible Women!
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Using this as an argument to get rid of Dan is worse judgement on your part that Dan's roster and game management decisions. I can make real performance-based arguments on why it's time to move on from D'Antoni. In fact, I do think it's time to move on from D'Antoni. But if you're trying to make it about this particular issue (attendance and support), then you must not have any real arguments to move on from him because Dan is clearly not in position to get fired or asked to move on because of "disappearing support".
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I feel that the D'Antoni's lasting legacy with Marshall University basketball is continuing to be tarnished by the actions of brother Dan. Not only by Dan's poor conduct in areas like player shaming and poor public relations, but in a continued slide in results since the 2018 breakout season. Look for another first round exit in the league tournament.
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Huck's teams were more than 35 years ago.
The average attendance during the Donnie Jones era was 5,053 (267,799 in 53 home games). The average attendance during D'Antoni's era through last season accumulated (not including the COVID season) is 5,305 (705,688 total in 133 games). While Donovan's first season was higher than D'Antoni's average in only 12 games, his second season (5,500 in 12 games) was practically level with D'Antoni's average.
Again, use performance-based arguments all you want. Financials including gate only tell the admin to keep D'Antoni. People here were saying our attendance was going to crumble this year with the way last season ended and the loss of Kinsey, Taylor, and Handlogten. With this season home finale remaining likely being a sell-out, our final attendance numbers this year are going to be end up being virtually even with last year's average attendance, perhaps might end up slightly better by the narrowest of margins!
Well, if you want to conflate tickets sold with attendance you may be right, but the actual number of people in there cheering for the team is far fewer than Jones in the CUSA 2.0 days. A much higher percentage of those season tickets now are tied to marketing and large donations, companies having 10-25 tickets for every game and empty seats because they can?t give them away.
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I thought people were supposed to turn those unused tickets in so Marshall could sell them again on a secondary market and increase revenue. I guess there isn't enough demand to resell tickets to potential attendees. So those stuck with tickets but not attending are still counted as revenue but non-season ticket buyers are not getting them through seat geek or whatever to actually fill the arena. I wonder what percentage of tickets for basketball are pre-purchased by seat geek for a discounted price to be resold by them and are just not being bought because no one wants to go. The eye test would seem to support it's a lot. And, keep in mind that wasn't an option for teams of the last 35 years. Marshall can hedge attendance for some revenue, but in the past they didn't need to. House of cards.
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How does he stay if we get blown out the rest of the year? He can't run a starting lineup of Nutter, Pruett, Conner, Fricks and Martin. No one will buy tickets.
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Well, if you want to conflate tickets sold with attendance you may be right, but the actual number of people in there cheering for the team is far fewer than Jones in the CUSA 2.0 days. A much higher percentage of those season tickets now are tied to marketing and large donations, companies having 10-25 tickets for every game and empty seats because they can?t give them away.
This is a good point about the tickets sold vs people attending. I had a family member living in Charleston who donated to The Big Green Club and then purchased tickets for customers. Depending on how well MU was playing or the opponent drove the response from customers using the tickets. MU will sell a certain amount of tickets no matter who is the coach through donors/companies who purchase tickets to give away. There were also empty seats in the chairback section at the Joan for the same reason. These empty seats are result of the tickets not being used.
Using the argument that ticket sales are at a high time high is not correct when you have reduced the seating capacity. To have the actual sales to individuals, you have to back out the corporate sales. Plus MU markets tickets to businesses at a discount to generate sales for individual games. It is fairly easy for MU to have a sellout in basketball with the reduced capacity and marketing promotions. Now will those be used, that is the question?
If the donors back off from buying the tickets and giving donations MU will make a change.
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A chance the Women's team has bigger crowds next year than the Men's if the ladies win the conference and the Men's team bows out again in the first round.
I could see 2500-3000 for each team.
Not a chance
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A chance the Women's team has bigger crowds next year than the Men's if the ladies win the conference and the Men's team bows out again in the first round.
I could see 2500-3000 for each team.
If Dan goes 12-20 and Kim keeps up the great coaching; it might be interesting to see the actual fans in the stands count vs the seats sold next year for both teams. I could see actual attendance (fans in the seats) fall for MB and and increase for WB. Dan does have the luxury of having the built in sale of corporate ticket sales for attendance numbers.
That said, I am betting on Dan not to play a power team and pad his schedule with "Little Sisters of the Poor" type teams next year. I don't think MU will force Dan to make a good schedule, he was very upset by having to play at UK this year. His idea of playing in a tournament at a neutral location didn't pan out either. Dan has also lost his no practice facility and no charter air flights excuses. Now Dan only has left is his "it only matters what happens in March" mantra. If Dan loses in his first game in the SBC, that will kill his last excuse.
Huntington will not support a losing program. Dan is already complaining about the fans negative comments. If actual attendance starts to fall next year, I will be interesting to see Dan's reaction. That might force him to leave after next year? We should be so lucky.
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Why not women's basketball?
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My bad. I will support them as well. Have tickets to the last home games, first time in over 20 years I have gone to a game. I like that Herdzone now gives the fan the opportunity to donate specifically to a sport. Good move by the AD.
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Make a factual argument.
Without quoting numbers - I have had 3 season tickets from the Field House days and gave them up. My neighbor had 4 and also gave up. As Bust has stated I personally know of 11 non returning season tickets. Now, with that said I do not know if Marshall sold those tickets.
The seats I gave up were not sold as the people who were next to me stated to me! Also I know A Lot of the season tickets are Corporate purchased as the row in front of mine were 16 deep (and given away).... So in my opinion there is a different view of who actually purchased season tickets .. You can provide all the figures in the world - Bottom-line the fan base has dwindled since Danny last couple years! Money is kept whole a.k.a. - Corporate funds!!
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A lot of hyperbole by the vociferous anti-Danners.
The "no one will buy tickets if "x, y, z, a, and b" are the starters are delusional. It is absolutely true that not as many people will actually consistently show up if the Herd sucks, but until the big donors and corporate customers withhold support, the "financial" argument only holds a little water.
I'm not defending DD when I say this. Performance wise, there's obviously a solid case for DD to be let go.
Now in terms of the women outdrawing the men? Where's the evidence? That only occurs in a few cases even when there's an elite women's program and only a good men's program.
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Without quoting numbers - I have had 3 season tickets from the Field House days and gave them up. My neighbor had 4 and also gave up. As Bust has stated I personally know of 11 non returning season tickets. Now, with that said I do not know if Marshall sold those tickets.
The seats I gave up were not sold as the people who were next to me stated to me! Also I know A Lot of the season tickets are Corporate purchased as the row in front of mine were 16 deep (and given away).... So in my opinion there is a different view of who actually purchased season tickets .. You can provide all the figures in the world - Bottom-line the fan base has dwindled since Danny last couple years! Money is kept whole a.k.a. - Corporate funds!!
I know one long time season ticket holder didn't renew his 6 mid court season tickets and he has had them since the Cam opened. I know another season ticket holder that didn't renew his tickets. When faced with a bad team and a worse economy, people will not support a bad product.
The Dan supporters can defend him, but they appear to be dwindling in numbers. I wonder if their financial support will offset the fans who are abandoning Dan?
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It would be interesting to see how many corporate season tickets and also discount tickets sold to the Seat Geek. You need corporate sponsors but a lot of those tickets go unused many times.
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I am keeping mine and know a lot of people in Mason County keeping theirs, so what is your point.
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It would be interesting to see how many corporate season tickets and also discount tickets sold to the Seat Geek. You need corporate sponsors but a lot of those tickets go unused many times.
And since those are the seats closest to the court and a lot of them on the bench opposite the main TV camera, it both diminishes the atmosphere and gives a misleading impression of how people are actually there.
Again, not defending DD, just stating what should be obvious.
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I am keeping mine and know a lot of people in Mason County keeping theirs, so what is your point.
Do you keep out of friendship of Dan or do you think we are a well coached competitive good team? I can respect loyalty to a friend but just curious?
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Many people just won't give up the seats, regardless of who's coaching. Some still come, but others haven't. I don't need the numbers, when I can look at the empty seats.
Today is supposedly near or sellout, lI'm curious to the number of empty seats. They'll not all be corporate owned either.
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Do you keep out of friendship of Dan or do you think we are a well coached competitive good team? I can respect loyalty to a friend but just curious?
He's one of the greenest of green glasses homers. Was one of the last and loudest of Doc suckers during the last years of that long nightmare.
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Look what the Doc move got us.
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Look what the Doc move got us.
Still so far up Doc's butt, he probably hasn't leaned the score of our last game against ND.
Huff isn't the best coach for us, but he's still better than Doc.
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I am not a friend of Dan's but quit trying to take away the one thing a small school like Marshall is known for "attendance". You would hurt Marshall just to prove yourself right.
Making us look bad does not make us look good. I think the coach had a bad year with NIL and losing three starters. I still enjoy going to the games and will continue to go until I die.
I love Marshall and Marshall sports. I was a fan when football had the longest losing streak in the country. I will do nothing to down grade Marshall. If Dan is gone next year or in two years I will still root for Marshall because I am a true fan not a rainy day fan who would hurt the university just to make a point.
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Look what the Doc move got us.
Huff hasn't lived up to expectations, but the results aren't really different than the last 5 years of Doc. And Huff is in a much tougher conference.
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Using this as an argument to get rid of Dan is worse judgement on your part that Dan's roster and game management decisions. I can make real performance-based arguments on why it's time to move on from D'Antoni. In fact, I do think it's time to move on from D'Antoni. But if you're trying to make it about this particular issue (attendance and support), then you must not have any real arguments to move on from him because Dan is clearly not in position to get fired or asked to move on because of "disappearing support".
Agree. Spot on
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I think the coach had a bad year with NIL and losing three starters.
I mean if you are going to continue to use this excuse please start including Dan roster management and wasting 5 scholarship players (two years in a row) that do absolutely nothing for the team (but two of them beat the crap out of a drum for soccer though).
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Roster construction is comparable to 10U ball. No coach in D1 is keeping 7+ players that can't play at this level. It's amazing he has done that considering Dan got burnt by Peneva. You can keep 2 or 3 guys that can't play but not a whole roster.
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I mean if you are going to continue to use this excuse please start including Dan roster management and wasting 5 scholarship players (two years in a row) that do absolutely nothing for the team (but two of them beat the crap out of a drum for soccer though).
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Dan actually mentioned this when mentioning the contributions of the Seniors on the radio pregame. Christ, if beating a drum is his biggest contribution, give him a band scholarship or dump him.
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Dan actually mentioned this when mentioning the contributions of the Seniors on the radio pregame. Christ, if beating a drum is his biggest contribution, give him a band scholarship or dump him.
JFC what is this church league DD?
You're making $750K to win pal
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JFC what is this church league DD?
You're making $750K to win pal
Agree, but technically he's getting compensated a little over $600,000.
https://westvirginia.opengov.com/transparency#/42541/query=0EF6FBDC8DC73B78C1465D9C126C3A28&embed=n
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Yep. Huck years, averaged over 8K. They didn't have to tarp it then.
And speaking of "tarps", I was at the opening game of the HC versus Army and despite living away from the Huntington area have been attending HERD games off and on through the years ever since. That includes season tix the last few years ever since. And I don't EVER recall reading or hearing about any serious problem regarding dangers, hazards etc., with the upper-level seats, stairs to and from the same during that period of time. No news about a rash of HERD gme fans/attendees falling, being injured, etc., virtually at EVERY home guy!
To me, this is nothing but a "face-saving" ploy! As it is obvious that interest in the program under our aging, stubborn and in-over-his-head Clown of a head coach! Interest in MU Basketball is at a very low point away from the Huntington area, particularly been in Southern and SE WV, an area particularly where there have traditionally a good-sized number of MU fans, alums and students. Media coverage, press, etc., of MU basketball in the Beckley, Bluefield, Princeton areas, has waned greatly during the D'Antoni era and is virtually nil! SO SAD! The bumbling, inept LEGACY of Danny D.'s "Hillbilly Ball"!!
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Agree, but technically he's getting compensated a little over $600,000.
https://westvirginia.opengov.com/transparency#/42541/query=0EF6FBDC8DC73B78C1465D9C126C3A28&embed=n
Haha ok
$677K
But that's his base. What's he making total compensation?
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Agree, but technically he's getting compensated a little over $600,000.
https://westvirginia.opengov.com/transparency#/42541/query=0EF6FBDC8DC73B78C1465D9C126C3A28&embed=n
He'd be overpaid at $60,000.
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And speaking of "tarps", I was at the opening game of the HC versus Army and despite living away from the Huntington area have been attending HERD games off and on through the years ever since. That includes season tix the last few years ever since. And I don't EVER recall reading or hearing about any serious problem regarding dangers, hazards etc., with the upper-level seats, stairs to and from the same during that period of time. No news about a rash of HERD gme fans/attendees falling, being injured, etc., virtually at EVERY home guy!
To me, this is nothing but a "face-saving" ploy! As it is obvious that interest in the program under our aging, stubborn and in-over-his-head Clown of a head coach! Interest in MU Basketball is at a very low point away from the Huntington area, particularly been in Southern and SE WV, an area particularly where there have traditionally a good-sized number of MU fans, alums and students. Media coverage, press, etc., of MU basketball in the Beckley, Bluefield, Princeton areas, has waned greatly during the D'Antoni era and is virtually nil! SO SAD! The bumbling, inept LEGACY of Danny D.'s "Hillbilly Ball"!!
It's all about the alcohol. Once they started selling alcohol, they were scared some irresponsible drunk would fall down & get hurt & blame the university for not having a rail to hold onto coming down aisle. Obviously, the alcohol sales is a new thing, hence there haven't ever been any cases of drunks getting hurt falling down the steps.
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I am not a friend of Dan's but quit trying to take away the one thing a small school like Marshall is known for "attendance". You would hurt Marshall just to prove yourself right.
Making us look bad does not make us look good. I think the coach had a bad year with NIL and losing three starters. I still enjoy going to the games and will continue to go until I die.
I love Marshall and Marshall sports. I was a fan when football had the longest losing streak in the country. I will do nothing to down grade Marshall. If Dan is gone next year or in two years I will still root for Marshall because I am a true fan not a rainy day fan who would hurt the university just to make a point.
Whew! Glad you said that you said that you "enjoy going to the games . . ." and not that you "enjoy GOOD basketball"!! Was really worried about the state of your EYESIGHT" for a second there!!!
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It's all about the alcohol. Once they started selling alcohol, they were scared some irresponsible drunk would fall down & get hurt & blame the university for not having a rail to hold onto coming down aisle. Obviously, the alcohol sales is a new thing, hence there haven't ever been any cases of drunks getting hurt falling down the
Then what plans, if any, do SMITH, SPEARS, et. al, have in place when the rash of lawsuits start rolling in from long time HERD basketball game attendees who claim that they became addicted to alcohol consumed at the HC in order to stomach/tolerate the pathetic exhibits of "Hillbilly Ball" put on by D'Antoni's HERD squads?
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That said, I am betting on Dan not to play a power team and pad his schedule with "Little Sisters of the Poor" type teams next year.
See, i don't get this. If you're going to lose a preponderance of your games anyway, then bring teams that will at least be entertaining to watch. And go to venues that are regional but fresh for the fans. If we can't give the fans good wins, then at least give them good teams to see. Maybe pull off a couple games people can carry with them a few years. People don't remember beating Radford and Queens, but they sure remember losing to them. Don't play teams that it hurts to lose to. Play teams where a win is unexpected but still a possibility. Means something when you win and doesn't matter when you lose.
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I remember the time when Louisville was a run of the mill lower tier program. They hired a UCLA assistant who was thought to be the heir apparent to John Wooden, Denny Crum. He came in adapted a "play anybody, anywhere" philosophy and gradually attracted premier recruits and begin to knock off higher ranked opponents and made the Cardinals the program they are now.
If you want to be a player you have to get in the game. Playing schools like Bluefield University won't get it done. Dan has outlived his shelf life by at least 4 years and I for one, never thought he should have been hired. He's Marshall's answer to Gerry Faust, a former high school coach in over his head. (Google)
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I really don't care any more. If fans wanna be stupid and support mediocrity, that's cool. I won't be attending any games soon. I'll support mens and womens soccer, softball, baseball and football with my money.
Football is about as mediocre as one can get
In fact if you look up the word mediocrity ya see Herd Football
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See, i don't get this. If you're going to lose a preponderance of your games anyway, then bring teams that will at least be entertaining to watch. And go to venues that are regional but fresh for the fans. If we can't give the fans good wins, then at least give them good teams to see. Maybe pull off a couple games people can carry with them a few years. People don't remember beating Radford and Queens, but they sure remember losing to them. Don't play teams that it hurts to lose to. Play teams where a win is unexpected but still a possibility. Means something when you win and doesn't matter when you lose.
The problem is Dan started out following the philosophy you've espoused, then he lost all those games. People forget playing the really good teams when you lose to them all the time, witness Virginia as just one example/
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Since DD doesn't care if they win or lose then what's the problem with playing 10 or 12 money games every season?
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These kids played their guts out tonight and I expect pretty much all year. You just can't do what you can't do and trying to just makes it worse.
The reason we get players here is lack of competition for them, and there's a reason for that. It's 1 in thousands to find a Kinsey or Handlogden, too much information out there for them to fall through the cracks .
Kids also are pretty much who they are coming out of HS, everything is specialized and they've concentrated mainly on one sport since they were 5 years old. Developing a player in college is a fools game.
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If you are advocating for a change (which I know you are), then the attendance/donations/money angle is not a winning argument. All are near all-time program highs. There is no chance paid attendance falls from 4.5k to less than 3k. Make all the fair performance-based augments you want about D'Antoni, but there is absolutely no indication that "money" support has or is leaving him.
Want a fact based reason to fire Dan, here are the current college basketball ranking. This is all on Dan and no excuses about players leaving. Roster management is Dan's responsibility. We are in the bottom half of college basketball rankings headed to the bottom third of college team rankings.
#217
http://realtimerpi.com/college_Men_basketball_rpi_Full.html
#236
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/rpi-live
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https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
He has never won an outright championship and his best rankings are a tied for 2nd place and 3rd place (twice). The rest of his seasons he finished either from 4th to 11th place. He does the have the one year he won the tournament, but he has had 10 seasons with overall mediocre success.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_D'Antoni
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The reason we get players here is lack of competition for them, and there's a reason for that.
I want players that aren't afraid of competition. We have a roster full of guys content to be on scholarship and rarely contribute on the floor. Is that what you and Dan are advocating? Are you advocating, along with Dan, that we continue with the current recruiting philosophy?
The women's team brought in a D2 1st team all american, she brought several portal players, etc. She brought in depth. It appears one player didn't like it and left the program. Yet when she left, the women's team went on an incredible run and is in contention for the Sun Belt championship and in all honesty, will win it this week.
I refuse to swallow this philosophy of blowing off bad & lazy recruiting to this theory of "well if we bring in good players for depth purposes, no one will want to stay". We need better players overall. The so-called studs that hit all these shots in practice against our depth can transfer it over to the games because the competition then steps up.
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He has never won an outright championship and his best rankings are a tied for 2nd place and 3rd place (twice). The rest of his seasons he finished either from 4th to 11th place. He does the have the one year he won the tournament, but he has had 10 seasons with overall mediocre success.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_D'Antoni
you're giving him too much credit, FT2. 1 of those 3rds was in the DIVISION, not CUSA as a whole. the tie for 2nd last year we didn't have the tie-breaker (we were not the #2 seed in the tournament).
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We don?t have the talent to win. It?s not there.
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We don?t have the talent to win. It?s not there.
Yep.
Painfully obvious.
Painful to try to watch.
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The problem is Dan started out following the philosophy you've espoused, then he lost all those games. People forget playing the really good teams when you lose to them all the time, witness Virginia as just one example/
I don't need to remember playing good teams and losing to them. It's at least entertaining in the moment. Right now we're a toss up against bad teams that aren't even entertaining to beat. I don't recall Dan ever playing a lot of good teams. You can also recruit better off playing better teams for the same reason. Good players want to test themselves vs good teams.
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The people that continually get away with putting words into people's mouths are beyond tiresome at this point.
Poster A: makes a preposterous statement and claims it as fact.
Poster B: proves Poster A's statement is incorrect and no more. Makes no statement about state of team/program.
Poster A: "so you support mediocrity and Dan blah blah blah."
The diatribe and dialogue is old. You can't have a reasonable discussion without that being thrown in at some point. I'm tired of some posters being allowed to do this literally multiple times in every thread. It's garbage. Some of you sound like you're trying to assemble a lynchmob in an old western. People can agree with your sentiment without the hateful diatribe.
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The people that continually get away with putting words into people's mouths are beyond tiresome at this point.
Poster A: makes a preposterous statement and claims it as fact.
Poster B: proves Poster A's statement is incorrect and no more. Makes no statement about state of team/program.
Poster A: "so you support mediocrity and Dan blah blah blah."
The diatribe and dialogue is old. You can't have a reasonable discussion without that being thrown in at some point. I'm tired of some posters being allowed to do this literally multiple times in every thread. It's garbage. Some of you sound like you're trying to assemble a lynchmob in an old western. People can agree with your sentiment without the hateful diatribe.
Amen.
Well said.