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Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2024, 09:54:12 AM »
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  • DD was never going to be satisfied with one more year, he would have been here at age eighty plus.

    I don't know about the rest of your post, but I agree with this. I think if Dan had agreed to a "fairwell tour" this year, he could have gotten one more year. I really don't think anyone wanted to fire him, I think he forced the hand.

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    « Reply #26 on: March 28, 2024, 09:58:08 AM »
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  • A friend of mine has an inside source who has been amazingly on point in regards to what happens in the department.  He relays that Smith directly fired D'Antoni.

    I know it was a very tough decision for Brad to make because he really likes Dan.
     
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    « Reply #27 on: March 28, 2024, 10:26:17 AM »
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  • That article is exactly why former icons shouldn't be hired as head coaches.
     
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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #28 on: March 28, 2024, 10:36:22 AM »
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  • This is the same question many on this site have been asking for some time (since the results have not been what they expected):
    (From Chuck's article)
    The first person I saw was D?Antoni, a MU assistant coach. I never will forget his answer to my one question: what does Marshall do now?
    ?I don?t know,? D?Antoni said, with tears in his eyes.

    Were you trying to reference the part that Smith is only one who could fire DD?

    If so, looks like that is what happened despite what CL says.  Just like there is no player bigger than the program, no coach is either. Even legendary Pruett didn't go out completely on his own terms. Same with Lombardi in GB, Belichick in NE etc etc etc. It's the general nature of most high paying, high profile jobs.
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    « Reply #29 on: March 28, 2024, 10:46:31 AM »
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  • Another take on the firing of Dan. It is a 180 degree turn from Chuck's take in his article. I guess CL was just to close to the situation to see the decline of the program.

    "Still, it's clear the program was not just stagnant but on the decline. There had been far more whiffs than hits in the transfer portal, and often the high school recruits that came into the program in recent years either left for an opportunity to play somewhere else or got comfortable in their warmups riding the pine with a great view of the game."

    https://www.register-herald.com/sports/tom-bragg-unfortunate-end-to-dantoni-era/article_b4aa2560-ec52-11ee-8af8-5faa582f60ad.html
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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #30 on: March 28, 2024, 10:56:22 AM »
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  • Another take on the firing of Dan. It is a 180 degree turn from Chuck's take in his article. I guess CL was just to close to the situation to see the decline of the program.

    "Still, it's clear the program was not just stagnant but on the decline. There had been far more whiffs than hits in the transfer portal, and often the high school recruits that came into the program in recent years either left for an opportunity to play somewhere else or got comfortable in their warmups riding the pine with a great view of the game."

    https://www.register-herald.com/sports/tom-bragg-unfortunate-end-to-dantoni-era/article_b4aa2560-ec52-11ee-8af8-5faa582f60ad.html

    Bragg hit the nail on the head. 
     
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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #31 on: March 28, 2024, 11:06:04 AM »
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  • It is a shame that Chuck couldn't write a balanced article. 
     
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    « Reply #32 on: March 28, 2024, 11:10:53 AM »
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  • Bragg hit the nail on the head.

    Yes he did.
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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #33 on: March 28, 2024, 01:12:24 PM »
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  • There is no context in this column.

    Let's go back to 2014 when we fired Tom Herrion:

    Mike Hamrick did NOT conduct a search for a coach. Instead, he flew out to Los Angeles and spent time with Mike D'Antoni and tried to convince him to become the head coach of Marshall basketball.

    But the context is this: the Lakers that season were in a complete mess. Yes there were some injuries. But it was well known that the Laker roster did not get along with each other either. The Lakers were near the end of a 27-55 season where the Lakers would also not make the playoffs. Mike resigned at the end of the season when the Lakers decided they were not picking up the option for his final season. I am not blaming Mike for all of the Lakers failures. But there is some context here.

    Dan was a part of that staff at the time. He would have been gone at the end of that season and not have had a job. It is obvious that Dan would have joined Mike in Houston in 2016, which was two years later (where Mike did a heck of a job). But there was no one in America knocking down the doors to hire Dan D'Antoni in 2014. Dan has been a part of a NBA coaching staff that had losing season in 4 of the last 6 seasons with their time with the Knicks and the Lakers. Dan had no real college coaching experience. He had been a lifetime high school teacher and high school basketball coach up until 2003 when he was fortunate enough to join his brother with the Phoenix Suns. There is nothing wrong with that. But reality is that no one at a water cooler located in a university athletic office any where in America was mentioning the name Dan D'Antoni......much less actually considering him for a head coaching job at the Division 1 level.

    In my opinion but it is an opinion based on facts is that Dan D'Antoni got the opportunity of a lifetime here at Marshall. When Mike D'Antoni turned the head coaching job here down, Hamrick went to a questionable, at the time, Option B in Dan D'Antoni. There were good portions of Dan's tenure that went extremely well. He had successes and he brought in some good players during those tenures. But the facts remain that the guy had a career 53% winning percentage here against D1 competition. His conference winning percentage was no better. That is NOT "iconic". He is a guy that had some good runs here. But the fact of the matter is that lately the guy was producing some underachieving seasons. He had two 20-loss seasons in the past three years. He never made it past the quarterfinals of the conference tournament the past four seasons. His rosters lately were littered with players that never produced and in fact, never developed any better as basketball players. As one piece written stated, "the program hadn't gotten stagnant, but rather was declining". That is when an AD has to make a change.

    I like Dan. But this school did just as much for Dan compared to what Dan did for Marshall. He was one of the highest paid coaches in the conference. He was given the keys to his dream job without having any college coaching experience. He received support from boosters of the basketball support club. No one, and I mean, no one at the Division 1 level was reaching out to Dan D'Antoni in the year 2014. But instead of being thankful of this opportunity here, he wants to end this in a crass and surly mindset. While I appreciate Dan for his contributions here as a player and coach, Marshall owes him nothing at this point. And I really have no use for these type of hit pieces on Marshall that are used to defend a coach who is acting spoiled and entitled at the end of his tenure.

    And one more thing (and it was stated earlier in a post), Hal Greer is the iconic figure of Marshall basketball. Hal Greer was a 10 time NBA All Star. He was the best player ever to play at Marshall. It doesn't say much for Chuck Landon that he can't recognize that.
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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #34 on: March 28, 2024, 02:13:50 PM »
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  • There is no context in this column.

    Let's go back to 2014 when we fired Tom Herrion:

    Mike Hamrick did NOT conduct a search for a coach. Instead, he flew out to Los Angeles and spent time with Mike D'Antoni and tried to convince him to become the head coach of Marshall basketball.

    But the context is this: the Lakers that season were in a complete mess. Yes there were some injuries. But it was well known that the Laker roster did not get along with each other either. The Lakers were near the end of a 27-55 season where the Lakers would also not make the playoffs. Mike resigned at the end of the season when the Lakers decided they were not picking up the option for his final season. I am not blaming Mike for all of the Lakers failures. But there is some context here.

    Dan was a part of that staff at the time. He would have been gone at the end of that season and not have had a job. It is obvious that Dan would have joined Mike in Houston in 2016, which was two years later (where Mike did a heck of a job). But there was no one in America knocking down the doors to hire Dan D'Antoni in 2014. Dan has been a part of a NBA coaching staff that had losing season in 4 of the last 6 seasons with their time with the Knicks and the Lakers. Dan had no real college coaching experience. He had been a lifetime high school teacher and high school basketball coach up until 2003 when he was fortunate enough to join his brother with the Phoenix Suns. There is nothing wrong with that. But reality is that no one at a water cooler located in a university athletic office any where in America was mentioning the name Dan D'Antoni......much less actually considering him for a head coaching job at the Division 1 level.

    In my opinion but it is an opinion based on facts is that Dan D'Antoni got the opportunity of a lifetime here at Marshall. When Mike D'Antoni turned the head coaching job here down, Hamrick went to a questionable, at the time, Option B in Dan D'Antoni. There were good portions of Dan's tenure that went extremely well. He had successes and he brought in some good players during those tenures. But the facts remain that the guy had a career 53% winning percentage here against D1 competition. His conference winning percentage was no better. That is NOT "iconic". He is a guy that had some good runs here. But the fact of the matter is that lately the guy was producing some underachieving seasons. He had two 20-loss seasons in the past three years. He never made it past the quarterfinals of the conference tournament the past four seasons. His rosters lately were littered with players that never produced and in fact, never developed any better as basketball players. As one piece written stated, "the program hadn't gotten stagnant, but rather was declining". That is when an AD has to make a change.

    I like Dan. But this school did just as much for Dan compared to what Dan did for Marshall. He was one of the highest paid coaches in the conference. He was given the keys to his dream job without having any college coaching experience. He received support from boosters of the basketball support club. No one, and I mean, no one at the Division 1 level was reaching out to Dan D'Antoni in the year 2014. But instead of being thankful of this opportunity here, he wants to end this in a crass and surly mindset. While I appreciate Dan for his contributions here as a player and coach, Marshall owes him nothing at this point. And I really have no use for these type of hit pieces on Marshall that are used to defend a coach who is acting spoiled and entitled at the end of his tenure.

    And one more thing (and it was stated earlier in a post), Hal Greer is the iconic figure of Marshall basketball. Hal Greer was a 10 time NBA All Star. He was the best player ever to play at Marshall. It doesn't say much for Chuck Landon that he can't recognize that.
     
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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #35 on: March 28, 2024, 02:51:20 PM »
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  • One overpaid irrelevant dinosaur who's hanging on way past the time to retire is just afraid that another overpaid irrelevant dinosaur who was hanging on way past the time to the retire got the axe.

    Seriously though, why anybody still gives a damn about a word Chuck Landon writes is beyond me. Disgraceful to Huntington and Marshall that he still takes up a column nanometer, even in a medium that doesn't matter anymore.
     
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    « Reply #36 on: March 28, 2024, 03:50:06 PM »
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  • It is a shame that Chuck couldn't write a balanced article.

    Has he ever?
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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #37 on: March 28, 2024, 04:12:57 PM »
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  • I just read it online, since I don't subscribe to the H-D fish wrap I don't know if was the entire article.

    I thought comparing Dan to Bob was a stretch, coaching wise. Bob had a 1-AA National Championship; numerous conference championships and winning games against top flight teams. Bob produced top flight athletes who had great pro careers. Dan never accomplished any of those feats in his career.

    Chuck or Dan thinking Dan should have another year is egotistical. The job of a basketball coach is to produce a good product and Dan was failing. Just because Dan wanted another year or so; is not his decision. It is a job and if you can't do the job, you need to be relieved of your duties.

    Chuck trying to throw Spears under the bus for doing his job is terrible. I guess they are trying to create division among the fan base? Let's be honest, Spears had Smith approval for firing Dan. I just wonder if Smith is the one who had the idea to fire Dan? If he did, good for him. A good leader has to make hard decisions sometimes when running an  organization.
    Don't take this as saying I think DD better than Bob but completely different comparison.  Pruett inherited a program that was a favorite to win it all before Moss and Kresser came, and ultimately Pruett left it worse than he found it in 04.  DD has run it back in the ditch but that's close to how he found it.


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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #38 on: March 28, 2024, 05:18:29 PM »
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  • I know it was a very tough decision for Brad to make because he really likes Dan.

    No university in the country would have brought DD back for year 11

    We made the right decision moving on from DD

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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #39 on: March 28, 2024, 05:39:00 PM »
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  • Don't take this as saying I think DD better than Bob but completely different comparison.  Pruett inherited a program that was a favorite to win it all before Moss and Kresser came, and ultimately Pruett left it worse than he found it in 04.  DD has run it back in the ditch but that's close to how he found it.


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    Not a good take IMO. Pruett won 5 conference championships, 4 after Moss was gone and a couple after every single player from the 1995 roster he inherited was gone.   He went to a bowl every single season and never had a losing record. He has the highest winning percentage of any Marshall coach in any sport.

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    « Reply #40 on: March 28, 2024, 05:41:23 PM »
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  • This article says more about CL than about DD; it shows that he has no real business sense or true "unselfish" current concern for Marshall.  If anyone should know that it was time, CL is the guy. If anyone should have been able to coax DD onward, it is CL.  It's like a dinosaur trying to save a dinosaur.  It wouldn't be too bad if someone at the HD had a long "departure" conversation with CL as well; maybe find a way to coax his retirement, voluntary or otherwise.
     
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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #41 on: March 28, 2024, 05:56:30 PM »
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  • Not a good take IMO. Pruett won 5 conference championships, 4 after Moss was gone and a couple after every single player from the 1995 roster he inherited was gone.   He went to a bowl every single season and never had a losing record. He has the highest winning percentage of any Marshall coach in any sport.

    I would have to add Bob's road victories over #6 (at the time of the game) Kansas State; Clemson and a bad South Carolina and BYU and Louisville. Close road games loses against Ohio State, UNC and Tennessee. Besides Wichita State, I can't think of an impressive victory by Dan.

    Even Huff has a bigger win than Dan.
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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #42 on: March 28, 2024, 06:42:24 PM »
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  • Chuck is as delusional as Dan.

    Hal Greer is the most iconic Marshall basketball player.
     
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    « Reply #43 on: March 28, 2024, 08:13:10 PM »
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  • Chuck wants to appear controversial to attract readers
    Positive or negative he just wants to be remembered
    He is a classic Luddite
     
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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #44 on: March 28, 2024, 10:44:58 PM »
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  • Chuck is as delusional as Dan.

    Hal Greer is the most iconic Marshall basketball player.

    And if mentioned "an" iconic, rather than "the", player with the D'Antoni name; the first name wouldn't be Dan.
     
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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #45 on: March 29, 2024, 06:11:57 AM »
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  • Where was Dan for 40+ years? Did he have any connection at all with Marshall? Bobby P is still around. Will Dan?
     
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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #46 on: March 29, 2024, 07:58:23 AM »
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  • Where was Dan for 40+ years? Did he have any connection at all with Marshall? Bobby P is still around. Will Dan?

    That is why I expect Dan to leave asap. Was he ever in Huntington except the years he was coaching?
     

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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #47 on: March 29, 2024, 09:41:21 AM »
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  • Not a good take IMO. Pruett won 5 conference championships, 4 after Moss was gone and a couple after every single player from the 1995 roster he inherited was gone.   He went to a bowl every single season and never had a losing record. He has the highest winning percentage of any Marshall coach in any sport.
    I loved the BP era and success we had and he did sustain it for a while. He did win (although not like 96-99) after the Donnan stock pile was gone 2000- forward.

    What is wrong with my take?
    1)that 96 team was loaded with talent, much of it BP benefited from thru 1999.  That team was stacked without Moss/kresser.  You should look at who was here sitting out in 95 and who returned from playing in 95.  I think it's safe to say we would have had tremendous success 96-99 no matter who we hired.

    2)2004 the wheels fell off by end of season with record near .500 and embarrassing bowl loss.  Surely you aren't suggesting the program was in the shape it was when BP came in 96.  I'm not even bring up the late resignation.

    Also he did not go to a bowl "every single season" bad take.  See 2003.

    I don't disagree with most of your comments (only disagree with incorrect bowl comment).  Fact is despite his high success (which I loved) was aided as he walked into a loaded program and sustained it and did succeed with his own recruited players as well but at the end program clearly in decline and worse than he found it. (Didn't even bring up his probation)


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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #48 on: March 29, 2024, 09:42:59 AM »
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  • I would have to add Bob's road victories over #6 (at the time of the game) Kansas State; Clemson and a bad South Carolina and BYU and Louisville. Close road games loses against Ohio State, UNC and Tennessee. Besides Wichita State, I can't think of an impressive victory by Dan.

    Even Huff has a bigger win than Dan.
    No doubt the FB program had greater success and bigger wins than DD basketball.  I just assumed that part was obvious to all


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    Re: Chuck Says That Dan Deserved One More Year
    « Reply #49 on: March 29, 2024, 09:46:07 AM »
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  • Pruett had stayed the extra year that team would have been pretty good.  Very good players left behind for Snyder
     
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