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The place to talk Marshall University sports! => HerdFans => Topic started by: mu79grad on March 27, 2024, 09:25:22 PM
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I don't think anyone should be surprised with this column.
From the Herald-Dispatch
https://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/chuck-landon-dantoni-deserved-one-more-year/article_80e18a3c-16e6-585e-a05f-8fdf912ff639.html
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Like we needed more proof that Chuck is not so smart.
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Starting to lose a lot of respect for Landon. He even stated Danny had 2 awful years out of the last 3. I've got news for Landon. The fanbase deserves more than Dantoni. He had his chance and the last few years were not good just like Docs. It was time and thank you Spears.
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Chuck was not able to be non biased based on his long time relationship with Dan. MU was more than fair with Dan and maybe someday we will know what happened with Spears. Dan can have a challenging personality and seemed never to take any accountability for anything wrong. He was very good at complaining including showing jealousy of our women's success this year.
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So Dan got one more blame in, it's Spears fault he was terminated.
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I noticed in press conferences that he could often get "a little worked up" and sometimes sarcastic when attempting to answer a reporter's questions. I never felt like any of them ever asked anything worth getting upset about (but I wasn't there either and I have not been a college coach either).
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I noticed in press conferences that he could often get "a little worked up" and sometimes sarcastic when attempting to answer a reporter's questions. I never felt like any of them ever asked anything worth getting upset about (but I wasn't there either and I have not been a college coach either).
Yep and he pulled that crap with Smith and Spears in his year in review and it sealed his fate.
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Yep and he pulled that crap with Smith and Spears in his year in review and it sealed his fate.
And you know that for a fact?
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And you know that for a fact?
From everything I heard it is true.
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While the NCAA win was great, to use one win as justification for one more year is laughable. First, it was 6 years ago. Second, does that one win cover up being 0-10 in the race for a regular season championship or 1-9 in conference tournaments? And it?s not like we were almost winning titles, we were a consistent middle of the pack type team. Third, winning an NCAA game is something about 200 division one schools have done in the last 10 years. It?s really no more prestigious than say the Military Bowl win or any bowl win. Only about 25% of college football teams win a bowl game each year, about 12% of basketball teams win an NCAA game each year. So to be on par with football Dan should have at least 3-4 NCAA wins or at least appearances.
Our basketball record 2 of the last 3 years has be like going 3-9 or 4-8 in football. No coach should survive that.
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"For Marshall officials to do anything to alienate or hurt or offend these two long-standing pillars of Marshall?s tradition would be an extremely grievous act."
So, holding Dantoni accountable for the performance of the men's basketball team (while he's contractually getting paid handsomely for it) is a grievous act?
Despite being an opinion piece, it still is extremely laughable and quite pathetic.
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"For Marshall officials to do anything to alienate or hurt or offend these two long-standing pillars of Marshall?s tradition would be an extremely grievous act."
So, holding Dantoni accountable for the performance of the men's basketball team (while he's contractually getting paid handsomely for it) is a grievous act?
Despite being an opinion piece, it still is extremely laughable and quite pathetic.
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Chuckie's sole talents in life.
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What a total crock. Chuck needs to retire to the Woodlands and enjoy his life.
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I just read it online, since I don't subscribe to the H-D fish wrap I don't know if was the entire article.
I thought comparing Dan to Bob was a stretch, coaching wise. Bob had a 1-AA National Championship; numerous conference championships and winning games against top flight teams. Bob produced top flight athletes who had great pro careers. Dan never accomplished any of those feats in his career.
Chuck or Dan thinking Dan should have another year is egotistical. The job of a basketball coach is to produce a good product and Dan was failing. Just because Dan wanted another year or so; is not his decision. It is a job and if you can't do the job, you need to be relieved of your duties.
Chuck trying to throw Spears under the bus for doing his job is terrible. I guess they are trying to create division among the fan base? Let's be honest, Spears had Smith approval for firing Dan. I just wonder if Smith is the one who had the idea to fire Dan? If he did, good for him. A good leader has to make hard decisions sometimes when running an organization.
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I get Chuck's sentiment. It was time, but I like Danny. I'm glad that the change was made because I didn't see Danny being able to turn it around, and I didn't want to see his W-L record go more down the drain. He had a good run for a spurt. I want to remember that.
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Chuck trying to throw Spears under the bus for doing his job is terrible. I guess they are trying to create division among the fan base? Let's be honest, Spears had Smith approval for firing Dan. I just wonder if Smith is the one who had the idea to fire Dan? If he did, good for him. A good leader has to make hard decisions sometimes when running an organization.
I mean that is all Dan has mostly done the last handful of years is cast blame and cause division within Marshall.
Heck, we had his minions on here getting their lines it was all Hamricks fault for issues with basketball.
Once he was removed it was then blaming issues on O'Malley.
Dan has a history of having toxic relationships with his ADs here, at some point you would think he would see the common theme is him in the situations.
Dan didn't have any intention of changing anything with or within the program and his condescending and sarcastic mouth put the final nail in his coaching career here at Marshall.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you, and supports you. It then becomes an easy decision on replacement when there is a contingency plan already in place.
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Appreciative of what coach D accomplished early at Marshall. He created high interest, the "Hillbilly Ball" theme, cusa tournament win and ncaa appearance. All great stuff that I enjoyed and I think most of us did.
I don't know what exactly transpired the last few years but it was time for a change and new direction. Of course there are going to be hurt feelings.
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Could someone please copy the article (not the link) to this page? I can't view it because I'm not a subscriber.
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54 year friendship makes it hard to see the retirement forced so i also see Chuck's point and former player's points. there's been some great coaches on the personality side but rarely great coaches/recruiters on the basketball side.
water under the bridge and whats coming into view from upstream is Jackson. can he recruit at least 4 diference-makers right now?
from this interview 7 months ago which MUfan08 recently posted, i'd say there are hints that he's much like Danny when it comes to personnel and loyalty and i'd suggest Spears/others will have some input on specific player's futures who are currently on roster.
https://youtu.be/bwdPZchyh8o (https://youtu.be/bwdPZchyh8o)
bottom line is that we know not to expect too much this year with the hope that Jackson will surprise us with recruiting and style.
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Could someone please copy the article (not the link) to this page? I can't view it because I'm not a subscriber.
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Two people immediately jump to my mind who deeply love Marshall University.
One is Bobby Pruett.
The other is Danny D?Antoni.
They are two of a kind. They don?t just bleed green, they breathe green. So, for Marshall officials to do anything to alienate or hurt or offend these two long-standing pillars of Marshall?s tradition would be an extremely grievous act.
Yet, that?s precisely what happened late Monday afternoon.
It was unthinkable.
It was unconscionable.
Marshall and D?Antoni parted ways after the 76-year-old D?Antoni fulfilled the first year of a three-year extension given in March 2023.
As far as D?Antoni knew, he was going to fulfill at least one more year of that contract. But then Marshall athletic director Christian Spears informed D?Antoni that he wouldn?t return, D?Antoni said.
The news sent shock waves through the community and state of West Virginia.
Particularly, since D?Antoni had told me that Smith had told him that the only person who could fire D?Antoni was Smith himself.
That?s not how it played out, however.
So, what happened? Did MU?s president get cold feet? Or did Spears simply wear down Smith on this issue?
Many of us have opinions, but we don?t know for certain.
What we do know is the highest-regarded persona in the history of Marshall basketball isn?t affiliated with the Herd anymore.
That?s sad.
Very sad.
And it didn?t have to be that way. Yes, Marshall had a poor 13-20 record in 2023-24. But D?Antoni also had struggled through a 12-21 season in 2021-22. Well, guess what? The Herd?s record was 24-8 the next season.
That is vintage D?Antoni.
Except now he is out of second chances. Which is rather odd for an icon. Usually, an icon gets second and even third chances.
Did D?Antoni deserve one more shot?
Of course he did.
What other Marshall basketball coach has won a game in the NCAA Tournament? Only D?Antoni. In 2018, he led the 13th-seeded Herd to an 81-75 victory over No. 4 seed Wichita State in San Diego.
So, does everybody really believe D?Antoni can?t pull rabbits out of his hat anymore?
Not me.
I have known Danny since 1970 ? 54 years. In case anybody didn?t notice, that coincided with the horrific Marshall airplane crash. I was a student journalist for The Parthenon (MU?s school newspaper) at the time, and our sports editor perished in the crash. So, I went over to Gullickson Hall to try to get a quote from an MU athletic official.
The first person I saw was D?Antoni, a MU assistant coach. I never will forget his answer to my one question: what does Marshall do now?
?I don?t know,? D?Antoni said, with tears in his eyes. ?Everyone who knew what to do is gone.?
That?s the D?Antoni I?ve known for all these many years.
Has he lost a coaching step? Maybe. Maybe not. But, either way, Danny D?Antoni deserved the benefit of the doubt. He has earned at least that much during all these many years.
And not to give it to him?
To tell the school?s most iconic basketball figure, ?Thanks, but no thanks??
Marshall should be ashamed.
Chuck Landon is a sports columnist for The Herald-Dispatch. Contact him at clandon@herald-dispatch.com.
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Like it or not head football and basketball coaches are in the "results" business. Dan's teams won 2 significant games during his entire tenure. He should have been shown the exit 3 years ago. And no Chuck, Dan D'Antoni is not Marshall Basketball's most iconic figure. That would be Hal Greer.
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This is the same question many on this site have been asking for some time (since the results have not been what they expected):
(From Chuck's article)
The first person I saw was D?Antoni, a MU assistant coach. I never will forget his answer to my one question: what does Marshall do now?
?I don?t know,? D?Antoni said, with tears in his eyes.
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DD was never going to be satisfied with one more year, he would have been here at age eighty plus. With DD it was never about Marshall he was purely about himself. You could pick up his arrogance during his press conferences, he felt he was untouchable. Kudos fo Spears for having the guts to pull the string.
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A friend of mine has an inside source who has been amazingly on point in regards to what happens in the department. He relays that Smith directly fired D'Antoni.
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DD was never going to be satisfied with one more year, he would have been here at age eighty plus.
I don't know about the rest of your post, but I agree with this. I think if Dan had agreed to a "fairwell tour" this year, he could have gotten one more year. I really don't think anyone wanted to fire him, I think he forced the hand.
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A friend of mine has an inside source who has been amazingly on point in regards to what happens in the department. He relays that Smith directly fired D'Antoni.
I know it was a very tough decision for Brad to make because he really likes Dan.
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That article is exactly why former icons shouldn't be hired as head coaches.
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This is the same question many on this site have been asking for some time (since the results have not been what they expected):
(From Chuck's article)
The first person I saw was D?Antoni, a MU assistant coach. I never will forget his answer to my one question: what does Marshall do now?
?I don?t know,? D?Antoni said, with tears in his eyes.
Were you trying to reference the part that Smith is only one who could fire DD?
If so, looks like that is what happened despite what CL says. Just like there is no player bigger than the program, no coach is either. Even legendary Pruett didn't go out completely on his own terms. Same with Lombardi in GB, Belichick in NE etc etc etc. It's the general nature of most high paying, high profile jobs.
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Another take on the firing of Dan. It is a 180 degree turn from Chuck's take in his article. I guess CL was just to close to the situation to see the decline of the program.
"Still, it's clear the program was not just stagnant but on the decline. There had been far more whiffs than hits in the transfer portal, and often the high school recruits that came into the program in recent years either left for an opportunity to play somewhere else or got comfortable in their warmups riding the pine with a great view of the game."
https://www.register-herald.com/sports/tom-bragg-unfortunate-end-to-dantoni-era/article_b4aa2560-ec52-11ee-8af8-5faa582f60ad.html
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Another take on the firing of Dan. It is a 180 degree turn from Chuck's take in his article. I guess CL was just to close to the situation to see the decline of the program.
"Still, it's clear the program was not just stagnant but on the decline. There had been far more whiffs than hits in the transfer portal, and often the high school recruits that came into the program in recent years either left for an opportunity to play somewhere else or got comfortable in their warmups riding the pine with a great view of the game."
https://www.register-herald.com/sports/tom-bragg-unfortunate-end-to-dantoni-era/article_b4aa2560-ec52-11ee-8af8-5faa582f60ad.html
Bragg hit the nail on the head.
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It is a shame that Chuck couldn't write a balanced article.
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Bragg hit the nail on the head.
Yes he did.
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There is no context in this column.
Let's go back to 2014 when we fired Tom Herrion:
Mike Hamrick did NOT conduct a search for a coach. Instead, he flew out to Los Angeles and spent time with Mike D'Antoni and tried to convince him to become the head coach of Marshall basketball.
But the context is this: the Lakers that season were in a complete mess. Yes there were some injuries. But it was well known that the Laker roster did not get along with each other either. The Lakers were near the end of a 27-55 season where the Lakers would also not make the playoffs. Mike resigned at the end of the season when the Lakers decided they were not picking up the option for his final season. I am not blaming Mike for all of the Lakers failures. But there is some context here.
Dan was a part of that staff at the time. He would have been gone at the end of that season and not have had a job. It is obvious that Dan would have joined Mike in Houston in 2016, which was two years later (where Mike did a heck of a job). But there was no one in America knocking down the doors to hire Dan D'Antoni in 2014. Dan has been a part of a NBA coaching staff that had losing season in 4 of the last 6 seasons with their time with the Knicks and the Lakers. Dan had no real college coaching experience. He had been a lifetime high school teacher and high school basketball coach up until 2003 when he was fortunate enough to join his brother with the Phoenix Suns. There is nothing wrong with that. But reality is that no one at a water cooler located in a university athletic office any where in America was mentioning the name Dan D'Antoni......much less actually considering him for a head coaching job at the Division 1 level.
In my opinion but it is an opinion based on facts is that Dan D'Antoni got the opportunity of a lifetime here at Marshall. When Mike D'Antoni turned the head coaching job here down, Hamrick went to a questionable, at the time, Option B in Dan D'Antoni. There were good portions of Dan's tenure that went extremely well. He had successes and he brought in some good players during those tenures. But the facts remain that the guy had a career 53% winning percentage here against D1 competition. His conference winning percentage was no better. That is NOT "iconic". He is a guy that had some good runs here. But the fact of the matter is that lately the guy was producing some underachieving seasons. He had two 20-loss seasons in the past three years. He never made it past the quarterfinals of the conference tournament the past four seasons. His rosters lately were littered with players that never produced and in fact, never developed any better as basketball players. As one piece written stated, "the program hadn't gotten stagnant, but rather was declining". That is when an AD has to make a change.
I like Dan. But this school did just as much for Dan compared to what Dan did for Marshall. He was one of the highest paid coaches in the conference. He was given the keys to his dream job without having any college coaching experience. He received support from boosters of the basketball support club. No one, and I mean, no one at the Division 1 level was reaching out to Dan D'Antoni in the year 2014. But instead of being thankful of this opportunity here, he wants to end this in a crass and surly mindset. While I appreciate Dan for his contributions here as a player and coach, Marshall owes him nothing at this point. And I really have no use for these type of hit pieces on Marshall that are used to defend a coach who is acting spoiled and entitled at the end of his tenure.
And one more thing (and it was stated earlier in a post), Hal Greer is the iconic figure of Marshall basketball. Hal Greer was a 10 time NBA All Star. He was the best player ever to play at Marshall. It doesn't say much for Chuck Landon that he can't recognize that.
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There is no context in this column.
Let's go back to 2014 when we fired Tom Herrion:
Mike Hamrick did NOT conduct a search for a coach. Instead, he flew out to Los Angeles and spent time with Mike D'Antoni and tried to convince him to become the head coach of Marshall basketball.
But the context is this: the Lakers that season were in a complete mess. Yes there were some injuries. But it was well known that the Laker roster did not get along with each other either. The Lakers were near the end of a 27-55 season where the Lakers would also not make the playoffs. Mike resigned at the end of the season when the Lakers decided they were not picking up the option for his final season. I am not blaming Mike for all of the Lakers failures. But there is some context here.
Dan was a part of that staff at the time. He would have been gone at the end of that season and not have had a job. It is obvious that Dan would have joined Mike in Houston in 2016, which was two years later (where Mike did a heck of a job). But there was no one in America knocking down the doors to hire Dan D'Antoni in 2014. Dan has been a part of a NBA coaching staff that had losing season in 4 of the last 6 seasons with their time with the Knicks and the Lakers. Dan had no real college coaching experience. He had been a lifetime high school teacher and high school basketball coach up until 2003 when he was fortunate enough to join his brother with the Phoenix Suns. There is nothing wrong with that. But reality is that no one at a water cooler located in a university athletic office any where in America was mentioning the name Dan D'Antoni......much less actually considering him for a head coaching job at the Division 1 level.
In my opinion but it is an opinion based on facts is that Dan D'Antoni got the opportunity of a lifetime here at Marshall. When Mike D'Antoni turned the head coaching job here down, Hamrick went to a questionable, at the time, Option B in Dan D'Antoni. There were good portions of Dan's tenure that went extremely well. He had successes and he brought in some good players during those tenures. But the facts remain that the guy had a career 53% winning percentage here against D1 competition. His conference winning percentage was no better. That is NOT "iconic". He is a guy that had some good runs here. But the fact of the matter is that lately the guy was producing some underachieving seasons. He had two 20-loss seasons in the past three years. He never made it past the quarterfinals of the conference tournament the past four seasons. His rosters lately were littered with players that never produced and in fact, never developed any better as basketball players. As one piece written stated, "the program hadn't gotten stagnant, but rather was declining". That is when an AD has to make a change.
I like Dan. But this school did just as much for Dan compared to what Dan did for Marshall. He was one of the highest paid coaches in the conference. He was given the keys to his dream job without having any college coaching experience. He received support from boosters of the basketball support club. No one, and I mean, no one at the Division 1 level was reaching out to Dan D'Antoni in the year 2014. But instead of being thankful of this opportunity here, he wants to end this in a crass and surly mindset. While I appreciate Dan for his contributions here as a player and coach, Marshall owes him nothing at this point. And I really have no use for these type of hit pieces on Marshall that are used to defend a coach who is acting spoiled and entitled at the end of his tenure.
And one more thing (and it was stated earlier in a post), Hal Greer is the iconic figure of Marshall basketball. Hal Greer was a 10 time NBA All Star. He was the best player ever to play at Marshall. It doesn't say much for Chuck Landon that he can't recognize that.
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One overpaid irrelevant dinosaur who's hanging on way past the time to retire is just afraid that another overpaid irrelevant dinosaur who was hanging on way past the time to the retire got the axe.
Seriously though, why anybody still gives a damn about a word Chuck Landon writes is beyond me. Disgraceful to Huntington and Marshall that he still takes up a column nanometer, even in a medium that doesn't matter anymore.
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It is a shame that Chuck couldn't write a balanced article.
Has he ever?
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I just read it online, since I don't subscribe to the H-D fish wrap I don't know if was the entire article.
I thought comparing Dan to Bob was a stretch, coaching wise. Bob had a 1-AA National Championship; numerous conference championships and winning games against top flight teams. Bob produced top flight athletes who had great pro careers. Dan never accomplished any of those feats in his career.
Chuck or Dan thinking Dan should have another year is egotistical. The job of a basketball coach is to produce a good product and Dan was failing. Just because Dan wanted another year or so; is not his decision. It is a job and if you can't do the job, you need to be relieved of your duties.
Chuck trying to throw Spears under the bus for doing his job is terrible. I guess they are trying to create division among the fan base? Let's be honest, Spears had Smith approval for firing Dan. I just wonder if Smith is the one who had the idea to fire Dan? If he did, good for him. A good leader has to make hard decisions sometimes when running an organization.
Don't take this as saying I think DD better than Bob but completely different comparison. Pruett inherited a program that was a favorite to win it all before Moss and Kresser came, and ultimately Pruett left it worse than he found it in 04. DD has run it back in the ditch but that's close to how he found it.
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I know it was a very tough decision for Brad to make because he really likes Dan.
No university in the country would have brought DD back for year 11
We made the right decision moving on from DD
Go Herd!
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Don't take this as saying I think DD better than Bob but completely different comparison. Pruett inherited a program that was a favorite to win it all before Moss and Kresser came, and ultimately Pruett left it worse than he found it in 04. DD has run it back in the ditch but that's close to how he found it.
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Not a good take IMO. Pruett won 5 conference championships, 4 after Moss was gone and a couple after every single player from the 1995 roster he inherited was gone. He went to a bowl every single season and never had a losing record. He has the highest winning percentage of any Marshall coach in any sport.
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This article says more about CL than about DD; it shows that he has no real business sense or true "unselfish" current concern for Marshall. If anyone should know that it was time, CL is the guy. If anyone should have been able to coax DD onward, it is CL. It's like a dinosaur trying to save a dinosaur. It wouldn't be too bad if someone at the HD had a long "departure" conversation with CL as well; maybe find a way to coax his retirement, voluntary or otherwise.
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Not a good take IMO. Pruett won 5 conference championships, 4 after Moss was gone and a couple after every single player from the 1995 roster he inherited was gone. He went to a bowl every single season and never had a losing record. He has the highest winning percentage of any Marshall coach in any sport.
I would have to add Bob's road victories over #6 (at the time of the game) Kansas State; Clemson and a bad South Carolina and BYU and Louisville. Close road games loses against Ohio State, UNC and Tennessee. Besides Wichita State, I can't think of an impressive victory by Dan.
Even Huff has a bigger win than Dan.
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Chuck is as delusional as Dan.
Hal Greer is the most iconic Marshall basketball player.
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Chuck wants to appear controversial to attract readers
Positive or negative he just wants to be remembered
He is a classic Luddite
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Chuck is as delusional as Dan.
Hal Greer is the most iconic Marshall basketball player.
And if mentioned "an" iconic, rather than "the", player with the D'Antoni name; the first name wouldn't be Dan.
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Where was Dan for 40+ years? Did he have any connection at all with Marshall? Bobby P is still around. Will Dan?
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Where was Dan for 40+ years? Did he have any connection at all with Marshall? Bobby P is still around. Will Dan?
That is why I expect Dan to leave asap. Was he ever in Huntington except the years he was coaching?
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Not a good take IMO. Pruett won 5 conference championships, 4 after Moss was gone and a couple after every single player from the 1995 roster he inherited was gone. He went to a bowl every single season and never had a losing record. He has the highest winning percentage of any Marshall coach in any sport.
I loved the BP era and success we had and he did sustain it for a while. He did win (although not like 96-99) after the Donnan stock pile was gone 2000- forward.
What is wrong with my take?
1)that 96 team was loaded with talent, much of it BP benefited from thru 1999. That team was stacked without Moss/kresser. You should look at who was here sitting out in 95 and who returned from playing in 95. I think it's safe to say we would have had tremendous success 96-99 no matter who we hired.
2)2004 the wheels fell off by end of season with record near .500 and embarrassing bowl loss. Surely you aren't suggesting the program was in the shape it was when BP came in 96. I'm not even bring up the late resignation.
Also he did not go to a bowl "every single season" bad take. See 2003.
I don't disagree with most of your comments (only disagree with incorrect bowl comment). Fact is despite his high success (which I loved) was aided as he walked into a loaded program and sustained it and did succeed with his own recruited players as well but at the end program clearly in decline and worse than he found it. (Didn't even bring up his probation)
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I would have to add Bob's road victories over #6 (at the time of the game) Kansas State; Clemson and a bad South Carolina and BYU and Louisville. Close road games loses against Ohio State, UNC and Tennessee. Besides Wichita State, I can't think of an impressive victory by Dan.
Even Huff has a bigger win than Dan.
No doubt the FB program had greater success and bigger wins than DD basketball. I just assumed that part was obvious to all
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Pruett had stayed the extra year that team would have been pretty good. Very good players left behind for Snyder
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Pruett would have killed to get an IPF like we have now. Isn't that why he left because he couldn't get certain monies to build one?
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Things had definitely started to decline in Bob's final year's, but lets also remember that he had Bengals head coach Zac Taylor committed to come to Marshall and he flipped to Nebraska on signing day. Zac went onto become Big-12 player of the year, while he was at Nebraska. Zac would have been QB here in 2005-06. I know Bob had resigned before then, but I have a feeling Bob would have stuck around if Zac had signed.
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Pruett would have killed to get an IPF like we have now. Isn't that why he left because he couldn't get certain monies to build one?
He had the funding already and Dan Angel moved that allocated money to the bio center that was over budget.
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Bob was a much better game day coach than Jim. Remember' Jim lost the 1-AA championship the year before in Huntington 22-20. Bob did bring in two great players with the same basic team from the year before and blew the same team out leading 39-6 at the end of the third quarter. (Picking up great players just shows that Bob was smart). Jim also lost the championship in 1991 in Statesboro when Tressel made adjustments at the half and out coached Jim. Jim would have lost the 1992 Championship if Tressel just had a few more minutes left on the clock.
Jim also got out coached in semi final game at Boise. Boise made the adjustments at halftime and won the game. Jim was a very good coach, but not great coach and he was fired by UGA.
I knew a couple of the players and their parents from Virginia who played for both Jim and Bob. Two players told me that Bob was a better coach. One of the players who went on to a great career in the NFL said Bob was the reason he made it to the NFL. He said that he was always in Jim's doghouse and didn't know why. Jim did have some personality issues.
Bob did decline his last few years but the competition level got better and he didn't have the financial resources (good assistant coaches) to complete at that level. He made some mistakes and he got caught.
I also think Jim was a good coach even with his horrible personality. He was not very good with dealing with fans and some of his players.
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Bob was a much better game day coach than Jim. Remember' Jim lost the 1-AA championship the year before in Huntington 22-20. Bob did bring in two great players with the same basic team from the year before and blew the same team out leading 39-6 at the end of the third quarter. (Picking up great players just shows that Bob was smart). Jim also lost the championship in 1991 in Statesboro when Tressel made adjustments at the half and out coached Jim. Jim would have lost the 1992 Championship if Tressel just had a few more minutes left on the clock.
Jim also got out coached in semi final game at Boise. Boise made the adjustments at halftime and won the game. Jim was a very good coach, but not great coach and he was fired by UGA.
I knew a couple of the players and their parents from Virginia who played for both Jim and Bob. Two players told me that Bob was a better coach. One of the players who went on to a great career in the NFL said Bob was the reason he made it to the NFL. He said that he was always in Jim's doghouse and didn't know why. Jim did have some personality issues.
Bob did decline his last few years but the competition level got better and he didn't have the financial resources (good assistant coaches) to complete at that level. He made some mistakes and he got caught.
I also think Jim was a good coach even with his horrible personality. He was not very good with dealing with fans and some of his players.
The bigger the game, the move conservative Jim became on offense.
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Bob was a much better game day coach than Jim. Remember' Jim lost the 1-AA championship the year before in Huntington 22-20. Bob did bring in two great players with the same basic team from the year before and blew the same team out leading 39-6 at the end of the third quarter. (Picking up great players just shows that Bob was smart). Jim also lost the championship in 1991 in Statesboro when Tressel made adjustments at the half and out coached Jim. Jim would have lost the 1992 Championship if Tressel just had a few more minutes left on the clock.
Jim also got out coached in semi final game at Boise. Boise made the adjustments at halftime and won the game. Jim was a very good coach, but not great coach and he was fired by UGA.
I knew a couple of the players and their parents from Virginia who played for both Jim and Bob. Two players told me that Bob was a better coach. One of the players who went on to a great career in the NFL said Bob was the reason he made it to the NFL. He said that he was always in Jim's doghouse and didn't know why. Jim did have some personality issues.
Bob did decline his last few years but the competition level got better and he didn't have the financial resources (good assistant coaches) to complete at that level. He made some mistakes and he got caught.
I also think Jim was a good coach even with his horrible personality. He was not very good with dealing with fans and some of his players.
yep, agree on all that. Donnan's biggest strength IMO was his ability to identify and get talent. the 1-aa roster of the mid 90s and what was there ready to go in 96 was unbelievable really.
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College sports are businesses?plain and simple. When your best players are walking away in the off season that?s not good. When you lose your last 7 regular season games this season that?s not good. The Marshall fans deserve a quality product. Sometimes bad seasons just happen. This season felt like we were out of sync there was no true point guard and our shooters didn?t make shots. I will always hold Coach DD in high regard. Moving forward? Welcome Coach Corny! You need to know we support you 100 per cent and come November we will be there to cheer you, staff and team on with a resounding ?Let?s Go HERD?
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Hopefully Corny is proactive with the roster. This is his shot to be a head coach.
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Hopefully Corny is proactive with the roster. This is his shot to be a head coach.
He has to be proactive, this is his shot and the cupboard is bare except for Obinna and Martin
Gotta land a bunch of "dudes" in this class
Go Herd!
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I loved the BP era and success we had and he did sustain it for a while. He did win (although not like 96-99) after the Donnan stock pile was gone 2000- forward.
What is wrong with my take?
1)that 96 team was loaded with talent, much of it BP benefited from thru 1999. That team was stacked without Moss/kresser. You should look at who was here sitting out in 95 and who returned from playing in 95. I think it's safe to say we would have had tremendous success 96-99 no matter who we hired.
2)2004 the wheels fell off by end of season with record near .500 and embarrassing bowl loss. Surely you aren't suggesting the program was in the shape it was when BP came in 96. I'm not even bring up the late resignation.
Also he did not go to a bowl "every single season" bad take. See 2003.
I don't disagree with most of your comments (only disagree with incorrect bowl comment). Fact is despite his high success (which I loved) was aided as he walked into a loaded program and sustained it and did succeed with his own recruited players as well but at the end program clearly in decline and worse than he found it. (Didn't even bring up his probation)
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We were 8-4 in 2003, not Pruett?s fault the MAC on one bowl tie. 11-2 in back to back year with zero Donnan players. Top 25 team with zero Donnan players. The talent on the team in 2005, including Bradshaw and a fairly nasty defense, wasn?t horrible, just quickly fell apart under Snyder.
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Chuck is an !diot, Dan gat what he deserved.
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We were 8-4 in 2003, not Pruett?s fault the MAC on one bowl tie. 11-2 in back to back year with zero Donnan players. Top 25 team with zero Donnan players. The talent on the team in 2005, including Bradshaw and a fairly nasty defense, wasn?t horrible, just quickly fell apart under Snyder.
Solid roster in 2005. A stud recruiting class away from being top dog.
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Chuck is an !diot, Dan gat what he deserved.
I would argue DD got one more year than he deserved. He should have been fired after last season.
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I would argue DD got one more year than he deserved. He should have been fired after last season.
I wouldn't disagree with you that he deserved to be fired sooner than he was, in fact I could easily argue he should have been fired two years go.
Which year DD should have been fired, doesn't change my earlier point, Chuck is an !diot for claiming he deserved more years than he got.
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We were 8-4 in 2003, not Pruett?s fault the MAC on one bowl tie. 11-2 in back to back year with zero Donnan players. Top 25 team with zero Donnan players. The talent on the team in 2005, including Bradshaw and a fairly nasty defense, wasn?t horrible, just quickly fell apart under Snyder.
No one said 03 was a bad team. I corrected your inaccurate statement. No one said there was zero talent in 2005 when the schedule got a lot tougher in the real CUSA.
I simply stated the fact that the program was in decline in 04 when he left.
I loved Coach P and that era too, doesn't mean I can't see the truth.
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The bigger the game, the move conservative Jim became on offense.
I noticed after the first NC State game, he changed his approach to playing 1-A games. I was at that game and he really tried to win the game. I went out to Columbia for the Missouri game and Jim just went through the motions and seemed satisfied with just getting the check. That seem to be his attitude with playing the other 1-A teams during his career. Tressel definitely had his number.
I think Jim was a good coach, I wished he had been hired him as coach when we hired Snyder. He wanted to come back to Marshall, but Marshall made the wrong choice for the head coach.
Jim was good at finding talent. I used to keep spreadsheets of the players and there was a large turnover of first and second year players in his program. You could give partial scholarships in that era. Look at John Wade, he came to Marshall at about 6'4" and 250 pounds. He left being 6'6' and over 300 pounds. He had offers from JMU and a couple of other 1-AA schools. Jamie Wilson, another NFL player, and he another player who a couple of 1-AA offers out of high school. He had a couple of great RB during his time at MU.
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Chuck is an !diot, Dan gat what he deserved.
Back to the subject.
Correct, Dan stayed too long. It is hard for some people to know when to make their exit and give it up. Dan is a great example of someone who didn't realize it was time to exit. He admitted he had trouble with the portal and NIL and couldn't or wouldn't adjust. I remember him saying that he now had re recruit the players every year and he was not happy. He should have left several years ago after he realized college basketball was changing and he wasn't changing.
Edit: I haven't seen many of the Dan supporters on the board. I understand, it was getting toxic and sometimes it is best to just walk away. I have seen a few of them lurking. Hopefully, they will accept the situation and support CJ. MU needs all the fans to be successful.
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No one said 03 was a bad team. I corrected your inaccurate statement. No one said there was zero talent in 2005 when the schedule got a lot tougher in the real CUSA.
I simply stated the fact that the program was in decline in 04 when he left.
I loved Coach P and that era too, doesn't mean I can't see the truth.
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There were a lot of problems in the program in BP last couple of years. Recruiting had really fallen off with lots of misses on HS players and many of the props not panning out. The quality of the staff was also on decline and lacked influx of new ideas. The defense had started falling off. The NCAA stuff etc. I remember being at a coaches clinic and was really shocked at how practice was being run. Stan Hill was the last all conf caliber QB we had until probably Cato. It's amazing how much a great QB can cover other issues as Cato showed during Doc yrs but the 2014 squad also had many other great players which is why we had the year we did. BP's staff had relied too much on having a great QB and there was not enough talent overall to make up for that and the staff was subpar overall. MS was hired late and inherited a mess in a better league and he was never able to assemble a top notch staff or recruit well enough to recover. We haven't had a gifted offensive mind on the staff in quite a while. Cramsey was better than many gave him credit for but the HCs and recruiting never player to his strengths. Hopefully the new OC will bring that and fortunes will turn.
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The bigger the game, the move conservative Jim became on offense.
The 95 Championship Game against Montana was a prime example. The offense is backed up inside their own 1 yd line. Chad is true freshman at qb and Donnan has Chris Parker on the sideline instead of in the game. Montana gets a safety and those 2 points were the difference in the game. Why would you not have a Parker in the game in a situation like that. I'm thinking that happened just before or after halftime and I'll never forget my Dad saying that will be the difference in the game and it was. Donnan was a great recruiter, but not always a great game day coach.
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