Topic: Many Top Ukraine Officials Resign After Corruption Exposed

[chris88]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-rocked-corruption-scandal-wave-top-official-resignations-sports-cars-mansions

People have been so dumb to believe that this historically corrupt govt would be good stewards of US tax dollars.  I knew the fraud was on when I saw Zelensky posing for Vogue magazine and taking vacations. 

Remember the amount of $ given to Ukraine equals about $300 for every man woman and child in US.  The war mongers, MIC, Ukraine elites are making out like bandits....while the average people suffer and we go deeper into debt.

[bighat]

What is your point?  You want the Russians to take them over?  Is Russia not one of our biggest enemies?  Did not President Reagan not economically destroy Russia?

[Flat Tire 2]

What is your point?  You want the Russians to take them over?  Is Russia not one of our biggest enemies?  Did not President Reagan not economically destroy Russia?

I don't care if Russian takes over the Ukraine. It is currently a European "problem" as long as the war doesn't expand beyond the Ukraine. Let the European countries handled it if they have the guts. The Ukraine has been under the dominance of Russia since the early 1700's. This situation might turn into a repeat of the start of WW1 and it is not worth one American life. There was no need for America to have entered WW1, it was not the same situation as WW2. Let the Europeans spend their money on this problem. The US borrowing money for the Ukraine and the other out of control spending by the US will bankrupt the US.

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[herdorbust2]

What is your point?  You want the Russians to take them over?  Is Russia not one of our biggest enemies?  Did not President Reagan not economically destroy Russia?

So you would rather us send money to a corrupt govt? Yes I would rather Russia take over than us sending American tax dollars there to line the pockets of those criminal leftist commies. People like you are why our own govt will continue to waste our tax dollars in the Trillions!!

[chris88]

What is your point?  You want the Russians to take them over?  Is Russia not one of our biggest enemies?  Did not President Reagan not economically destroy Russia?

Name one time US has fought a proxy war and it worked out for us and/or the country involved?  Afghanistan?  MIC people will point to Russia being defeated in Afghanistan.  It weakened them for a short time but it sure didn't help Afghanistan outside of the countries elites/politicos.  Nor did the 20 years we were there. Libya, Iraq, Korea, Veitnam, Syria? All net losses for the US and people of those countries except for weapons makers and those contracting for rebuilding.  Same old script. Is it asking too much to have accountibility for 100B+ we have sent there.  Democrat controlled panel voted down the bill that would force accountability in Ukraine. Many Repubs are to blame as well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/12/06/marjorie-taylor-greene-ukraine-audit/
Mainstream Republicans back Marjorie Taylor Greene audit of ...
Dec 6, 2022 ... The measure was narrowly defeated by a Democratic-led panel, but the vote revealed broader GOP support for extensive oversight of Ukraine ...

Nobody should be surprised, especially considering all of the rubes who actually believe Ukraine is "winning". If US and it's allies really wanted to help Ukraine we wouldn't have initiated a coup in 2014 and we would have encouraged Ukraine to find a peaceful settlement instead of telling Ukraine to not settle even know both sides had a framework for peace.

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"The Ukrainian news outlet Ukrayinska Pravda reported Thursday that British Prime Minister Boris Johnson used his surprise visit to Kyiv last month to pressure President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to cut off peace negotiations with Russia, even after the two sides appeared to have made tenuous progress toward a settlement to end the war."

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Here's a slew of articles, mostly from left leaning media

Diplomacy Watch: Did Boris Johnson help stop a peace deal in ...
Sep 2, 2022 ... ?Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement,? wrote Fiona Hill and ...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/03/ukraine-will-be-free-boris-johnson-tells-parliament-verkhovna-rada
'Ukraine will be free,' Boris Johnson tells country's parliament
May 3, 2022 ... There should be no peace settlement imposed against the will of Ukrainian people, PM tells Verkhovna Rada.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-settlement-russia-ukraine-nato-boris-johnson-pxfkbr27g
No settlement with Russia until Ukraine holds whip hand, says Boris ...
Apr 4, 2022 ... Boris Johnson will urge the German chancellor to go further on Russian sanctions this week amid concerns that Ukraine will be pushed by Nato ...

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/boris-johnson-calls-world-redouble-144325144.html
Boris Johnson calls on world to redouble its efforts and give Ukraine ...
2 days ago ... Former UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who visited the city of Kyiv and Kyiv Oblast on Sunday, 22 January, has called on the world to ...

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/boris-johnson-pressured-zelenskyy-ditch-peace-talks-russia-ukrainian-paper
Boris Johnson Pressured Zelenskyy to Ditch Peace Talks With Russia
May 6, 2022 ... "The British government has become an obstacle to peace in Ukraine," said the Stop the War Coalition. "The conflict there is developing into ...

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/opinions/boris-johnson-ukraine-eu-brexit-kiley/index.html
Opinion: Don't be fooled by Boris Johnson's backing of Ukraine - CNN
Jul 1, 2022 ... Boris Johnson warns Russian victory in Ukraine would be 'absolutely ... UK prime Minister Boris Johnson speaks with CNN's Jake Tapper.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/21/ukraine-must-not-settle-s-y-peace-boris-johnson-tell-g7/
Ukraine must not settle for 's----y peace', Boris Johnson to tell G7
Jun 21, 2022 ... Emmanuel Macron, the French president, has continued to keep lines of communication open to Vladimir Putin since the start of the invasion, ...

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-05-19/is-boris-johnson-dragging-out-the-ukraine-war
Is Boris Johnson Dragging Out the Ukraine War? - Bloomberg
May 18, 2022 ... A negotiated settlement increasingly seems like the only way to end the ... Prime Minister Boris Johnson, Foreign Minister Liz Truss and ...

https://www.politico.eu/article/johnson-warns-macron-not-attempt-ukraine-settlement-now/
Johnson warns Macron not to attempt Ukraine settlement now
Jun 26, 2022 ... LONDON ? Boris Johnson warned Emmanuel Macron that to settle the ... by the Elys?e ? Downing Street said Johnson had told Macron such a move ...

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/could-war-ukraine-have-been-stopped-204872
Could the War in Ukraine Have Been Stopped? | The National Interest
Sep 20, 2022 ... One answer could be that former British prime minister Boris Johnson, upon hearing about the interim settlement, flew to Kyiv to tell ...

[bighat]

Once again why would we want Russia, a socialist communist government, to take over Ukraine?  Which is our biggest enemy and who is having to use their economic resources to beat Ukraine and is not succeeding unless we allow them?  Which is a bigger threat to the US and which is the biggest communist government? 

[Flat Tire 2]

Once again why would we want Russia, a socialist communist government, to take over Ukraine?  Which is our biggest enemy and who is having to use their economic resources to beat Ukraine and is not succeeding unless we allow them?  Which is a bigger threat to the US and which is the biggest communist government?

Reality check.

 Russian appears to be a dictatorship with no ideological basis, just wanting money and to restore its former territories that have controlled for 300 years. If you are worried about a "communistic" government I would worry about Red China which is a communistic country. They are expanding their reach around the round and are playing the long game to conquer the US.

[chris88]

Reality check.

 Russian appears to be a dictatorship with no ideological basis, just wanting money and to restore its former territories that have controlled for 300 years. If you are worried about a "communistic" government I would worry about Red China which is a communistic country. They are expanding their reach around the round and are playing the long game to conquer the US.

True. Russia has the economy of Spain and not a threat economically unless we continue to inflate our dollar out of existence.  China much bigger threat and we let them get away with killing millions of people by working on bioweapon COVID (with help of Fauci)...not to mention the other ways they have undermined US security and economy. Other than a few spooks, how many Americans have been killed by Russians? How many military bases does Russia have outside of it's borders?  Zero. How many does US have? Approx 750 over 80 nations. This country is in much more danger from the drugs and people pouring over southern border at 5m+ per anum.

Ukraine has already been told there is no way they get into NATO.  It's a proxy war to weaken Russia for profit, but it is one Ukraine cannot win. The whole thing is a grift imo but would have never happened if Biden didn't have such a crap energy policy. This forced Europe to be unable to avoid Russian energy to survive since we could not supply what we needed...let alone what Europe needed. So sanctions not working and only way for Europe to come out better off is for Ukraine to win...which they can't do. Remember when it looked like GOP would take house and senate and all the Ukraine talk was about "peace".  As soon as the red wave turned into a tinkle it was "war back on". That tells you all you need to know.

[2xBison]

What is your point?  You want the Russians to take them over?  Is Russia not one of our biggest enemies?  Did not President Reagan not economically destroy Russia?

By building our military, not by giving money away.  This is just another nato/Western Europe/globalist fiasco where the US is their piggy bank and others (who should have greater interest/need) sit back and pay minimally while the US taxpayer foots the bill.  All while being unbelievably burdened with debt and all while killing our own energy industry and becoming energy dependent on other nations, most of which hate us.

Great plan.


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[chris88]

The Pentagon is planning to boost its production of artillery ammunition by 500% over the next two years as the US is depleting its military stockpiles by sending millions of shells to Ukraine, The New York Times reported Tuesday.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/pentagon-will-increase-u-s-artillery-production-sixfold-for-ukraine/?amp=1

[herdorbust2]

Remember last year when Biden said make no mistake, that sending tanks, planes etc to help Ukraine would be World War 3? Well now he is sending tanks. What a leader we have in this idiot!!! 60 Billion so far to Ukraine. Trillions I'm build back better lol. The guy is bankrupting our country faster than anyone thought possible.