Topic: US Endless Ukraine Proxy War By Design

[chris88]

   
The endless proxy war, by design

While privately conceding that its ally Ukraine is not "capable of winning the war," the Biden administration keeps fueling it.

Aaron Mat?, Oct 18
 
Russia's invasion of Ukraine has presented the White House with a geopolitical crisis that it played a critical role in creating. In February 2014, Victoria Nuland, a current senior State Department official and former weenie Cheney advisor, was caught on tape plotting the installation of a new Ukrainian government ? a plan, she stressed, that would involve Biden and his then-top aide, and current National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan. Weeks later, the democratically elected Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted and replaced by Washington-backed leaders ? including a prime minister selected by Nuland.

The regime change in Kiev made Biden the most influential US political figure in Ukraine, as underscored by the lucrative Burisma board seat gifted to his son Hunter. While the Biden family and other well-connected players profited, Ukraine fell into civil war. In the eastern Donbas region, Kremlin-backed Ukrainian rebels took up arms against a fascist-infused coup government that cracked down on Russian culture and countenanced murderous assaults on dissidents. Rather than promote the 2015 Minsk II accords -- the agreed-upon formula for ending the Donbas conflict ? the US fueled the fight with a weapons and training program that turned Ukraine into a NATO proxy. Influential US politicians left no doubt about their intentions. As the Donbas war raged, lawmakers declared that they were using Ukraine to ?fight Russia over there? (Adam Schiff) and vowed to ?make Russia pay a heavier price,? (John McCain). In February of this year, Russia invaded to bring the eight-year fight to an end, leaving Ukraine to pay the heaviest price of all.

The Biden administration shunned multiple opportunities to prevent the Russian assault. When Russia submitted draft peace treaties in December 2021, the White House refused to even discuss the Kremlin?s core demands: a pledge of neutrality for Ukraine, and the rollback of NATO military forces in post-1997 member states that neighbor Russia. At the final round of talks on implementing Minsk II in early February, the ?key obstacle,? the Washington Post reported, ?was Kyiv?s opposition to negotiating with the pro-Russian separatists.? Siding with Ukraine?s far-right, which had threatened to overthrow Volodymyr Zelensky if he signed a peace deal, the US made no effort to encourage diplomacy. Emboldened to escalate its war on the Donbas, the Ukrainian government then massively increased shelling on rebel-held areas in the days immediately preceding Russa?s February 24th invasion.

Looking back at the pre-invasion period, Jack Matlock, the US ambassador to the Soviet Union under Bush I, now concludes that ?if Ukraine had been willing to abide by the Minsk agreement, recognize the Donbas as an autonomous entity within Ukraine, avoid NATO military advisors, and pledge not to enter NATO,? then Russia?s war ?probably would have been prevented.?

For Washington, preventing the war would have interfered with longstanding objectives. As US policymakers have openly recognized, Ukraine?s historical, geographical, and cultural links to Russia could be used as a tool to achieve regime change in Moscow, or, at minimum, leave it ?weakened.?

As Ukraine enters another winter of war, this time facing an intensified Russian assault, the Biden administration is apparently in no mood to end a crisis that it helped start...

[Toro Toro Taxi]

The Bidens are making big money off of this war , nothings going to change until Putin decides to get serious and end this in one weekend .

[2xBison]

the democrats are the party of corruption, fraud, racism and war.  we could call them fascist too with the way the DNC, DOJ, FBI have colluded to frame and prosecute political opponents while covering for and not prosecuting democrats.  i guess that's easy to do when you have the media and gov agencies to carry the message for you.  why even campaign or have political debate?  well, many don't and refuse too, it's easier than trying to share the message, just hide and hope for the best and let media and gov carry your water.

it's that simple.  we are pretty close to no more gov for the people by the people, if we aren't already there.  I'm surprised how many people are happy to just be ruled.

[Flat Tire 2]

We don't need to be dragged into another European War like the WW1. Let the French and the EU handle the situation if they have the desire.

[2xBison]

We don't need to be dragged into another European War like the WW1. Let the French and the EU handle the situation if they have the desire.

let them handle it?  hell, we don't even let them pay for it.

[RyoSmiffy]

funny telling the europeans to handle it when we caused it. we pretty much run nato. left troops all along the russian border trying to appease the locals with soccer tournaments and bs like that and now its their problem when russia invades? we did it all. every president has had some contact with ukraine recently making sure that it was ripe to pick up after it has been flattened.

[chris88]

   
The endless proxy war, by design

While privately conceding that its ally Ukraine is not "capable of winning the war," the Biden administration keeps fueling it.

Aaron Mat?, Oct 18
 
Russia's invasion of Ukraine has presented the White House with a geopolitical crisis that it played a critical role in creating. In February 2014, Victoria Nuland, a current senior State Department official and former weenie Cheney advisor, was caught on tape plotting the installation of a new Ukrainian government ? a plan, she stressed, that would involve Biden and his then-top aide, and current National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan. Weeks later, the democratically elected Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych was ousted and replaced by Washington-backed leaders ? including a prime minister selected by Nuland.

The regime change in Kiev made Biden the most influential US political figure in Ukraine, as underscored by the lucrative Burisma board seat gifted to his son Hunter. While the Biden family and other well-connected players profited, Ukraine fell into civil war. In the eastern Donbas region, Kremlin-backed Ukrainian rebels took up arms against a fascist-infused coup government that cracked down on Russian culture and countenanced murderous assaults on dissidents. Rather than promote the 2015 Minsk II accords -- the agreed-upon formula for ending the Donbas conflict ? the US fueled the fight with a weapons and training program that turned Ukraine into a NATO proxy. Influential US politicians left no doubt about their intentions. As the Donbas war raged, lawmakers declared that they were using Ukraine to ?fight Russia over there? (Adam Schiff) and vowed to ?make Russia pay a heavier price,? (John McCain). In February of this year, Russia invaded to bring the eight-year fight to an end, leaving Ukraine to pay the heaviest price of all.

The Biden administration shunned multiple opportunities to prevent the Russian assault. When Russia submitted draft peace treaties in December 2021, the White House refused to even discuss the Kremlin?s core demands: a pledge of neutrality for Ukraine, and the rollback of NATO military forces in post-1997 member states that neighbor Russia. At the final round of talks on implementing Minsk II in early February, the ?key obstacle,? the Washington Post reported, ?was Kyiv?s opposition to negotiating with the pro-Russian separatists.? Siding with Ukraine?s far-right, which had threatened to overthrow Volodymyr Zelensky if he signed a peace deal, the US made no effort to encourage diplomacy. Emboldened to escalate its war on the Donbas, the Ukrainian government then massively increased shelling on rebel-held areas in the days immediately preceding Russa?s February 24th invasion.

Looking back at the pre-invasion period, Jack Matlock, the US ambassador to the Soviet Union under Bush I, now concludes that ?if Ukraine had been willing to abide by the Minsk agreement, recognize the Donbas as an autonomous entity within Ukraine, avoid NATO military advisors, and pledge not to enter NATO,? then Russia?s war ?probably would have been prevented.?

For Washington, preventing the war would have interfered with longstanding objectives. As US policymakers have openly recognized, Ukraine?s historical, geographical, and cultural links to Russia could be used as a tool to achieve regime change in Moscow, or, at minimum, leave it ?weakened.?

As Ukraine enters another winter of war, this time facing an intensified Russian assault, the Biden administration is apparently in no mood to end a crisis that it helped start...

A couple clips to add from a different article about the forever war thinking as it relates to Ukraine and Taiwan by the MIC, media, and those who stand to make the most profit and power or at least use it as a distraction from their own disastrous policies/decisions:

".....demonstrating the bizarre Schr?dinger?s cat western propaganda paradox that Putin is always simultaneously (A) getting destroyed and humiliated in Ukraine and (B) on the cusp of waging hot war with NATO". 

True statement. They are always talking out of both sides of their mouth.

AND

"....We don?t have to submit to this. We don?t have to keep sleepwalking into dystopia and Armageddon to the beat of manipulative sociopaths." 

Another true statement.  Going back to 1950 when has the war drum ever harbingered the truth about places the US and others have been intervening for the progression and protection of "democracy"? As the author states, it is just an exercise in manufactured consent.

Here is the piece: https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2022/10/28/advocating-world-war-three-is-just-mainstream-punditry-now/

[RyoSmiffy]

its interesting that china collapse and iran uprising happened at the same time russia started to show signs of losing ground. oh shoot bro its about to go down.

[chris88]

It's also interesting that days before midterms when dems thought they would get pounded the US reached out to Ukraine to say now might be a good idea to negotiate peace. Would not be surprised if the "more war" echoes return....at least for another 2 years.