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The place to talk Marshall University sports! => HerdFans => Topic started by: Herdrulz29 on October 22, 2017, 03:41:42 PM
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Like I said a few weeks ago, we get no respect. Ucf and Usf and Memphis all in Top 25. We are 6-1 with only loss being to a top 15 team we should had beat and here we are still getting very few votes in the polls. If we were undefeated, we probably still wouldnt be ranked. Pathetic.
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We have beaten no one!! Losing by 17 to a top 15 team doesnt get you ranked nor should it. Some of you folks manufacture anti-Marshall bias and disrepect that doesn't exist.
6-1 is great, I'm estatic about the turn around and our chances of winning a division/conference crown. However, to this point in the season we do not deserve to be ranked, we haven't earned it. I'm honestly shocked we have gotten top 25 votes at all.
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USF is sitting there, having played the 130th Out of 130 strength of schedule. In 2014, we got eaten up in the media for being undefeated with the 102nd schedule, but USF gets a pass?
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I love Marshall and I am so excited about the season this far but what has Marshall done to be ranked any higher that where they are at this point?
The formula is there. Whatever they are doing is working. Just keep executing and winning. Respect has to be earned and respect they are slowing earning back.
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Not only does usf schedule and ucf schedule sucks, We crushed a mtsu team on the road that went on the road and beat syracuse who upset the national champs. That is more than any of the other teams in g5 ahead of us have done. We get no respect bc of Doc. He has never been given a chance anywhere else because he is not a head coach. Our schedule has been watered down to make him look good. Yes we have talent but we dont get to show off how good we really are because of Mike and Doc.
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We have beaten no one!! Losing by 17 to a top 15 team doesnt get you ranked nor should it. Some of you folks manufacture anti-Marshall bias and disrepect that doesn't exist.
6-1 is great, I'm estatic about the turn around and our chances of winning a division/conference crown. However, to this point in the season we do not deserve to be ranked, we haven't earned it. I'm honestly shocked we have gotten top 25 votes at all.
You are right & you're wrong. The bias isn't against MU specifically. The bias is against CUSA in it's entirety. ESPN has snubbed us ever since the league refused to sign their crappy TV deal. Even in ESPN's weakened state they still control the propaganda machine of CFB.
The AAC has a deal w/ ESPN. UCF I'm willing to concede on. USF & Memphis have done NOTHING. USF's strength of schedule is the WORST in all of CFB. Memphis beat UCLA, so what. UCLA is hardly world beaters.
I agree we are not poor picked on MU but the league in general is given no respect even when a team like our 14' team, a WKU, or whomever rightfully deserves their respect. I agree losing to the 15th ranked team doesn't help your argument. IMO though to lose the way we lost on their home field does carry some weight. I don't necessarily believe we deserve a Top 25 ranking right now this week but I see teams ahead of us both in receiving votes & in the Top 25 already that we could, should, & would beat.
I would even wager a guess that even if we finish the year in the Top 25 w/ only a small handful of contributors graduating that we won't show up in the pre-season Top 25.
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Like I said a few weeks ago, we get no respect. Ucf and Usf and Memphis all in Top 25. We are 6-1 with only loss being to a top 15 team we should had beat and here we are still getting very few votes in the polls. If we were undefeated, we probably still wouldnt be ranked. Pathetic.
I'm not worried about the polls as of now, it feels good to see our name along side of Florida, Arizona State, Georgia Tech, etc.. We just need to keep winning and it will take care of itself.
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We have beaten no one!! Losing by 17 to a top 15 team doesnt get you ranked nor should it. Some of you folks manufacture anti-Marshall bias and disrepect that doesn't exist.
6-1 is great, I'm estatic about the turn around and our chances of winning a division/conference crown. However, to this point in the season we do not deserve to be ranked, we haven't earned it. I'm honestly shocked we have gotten top 25 votes at all.
AMEN! We beat 6 of the worst teams in the country and people wonder why we aren’t in the playoff discussion. I’m happy for the turnaround too but some folks need to temper their expectations.
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Based on our resume, I'm actually surprised we are getting votes already.
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6-1 is great, but the rest is what it is. No need to worry about this stuff. If Doc and team can run the table the rest of the year the polls will take care of themselves. Another loss and you can probably kiss the votes goodbye. The away games at FAU and UTSA are going to be a real test on this team. Need the offense be able to score enough against FAU to take the pressure off the defense. Need to prove to UTSA that we can come to Texas and win games.
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If we win out including conference championship and bowl game we'll probably settle in at around #20, maybe even better. The 2014 team lost at a bad time. Had anyone said we would have been having this discussion at all in 2017 back in June, we would have had them committed. Love the herd and love the ride. We're playing on house money so let's see how far we can go.
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Not only does usf schedule and ucf schedule sucks, We crushed a mtsu team on the road that went on the road and beat syracuse who upset the national champs. That is more than any of the other teams in g5 ahead of us have done. We get no respect bc of Doc. He has never been given a chance anywhere else because he is not a head coach. Our schedule has been watered down to make him look good. Yes we have talent but we dont get to show off how good we really are because of Mike and Doc.
Did they beat Syracuse with the same qb they played against us?
If not they are a way different team.
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It's simple.
UCF - 1. Has been killing teams (either we can't or Doc won't let us do that), 2. Has beaten 3 teams with a winning record (we have beaten 0 teams with a winning record), 3. Has a P5 win (we lost our P5 game).
USF - Yes terrible schedule but....1. Has been killing teams (either we can't or Doc won't let us do that). 2. Has a P5 win (we lost our P5 game).
Memphis - 1. Has been killing teams (either we can't or Doc won't let us do that), 2. Has beaten 3 teams with a winning record, 2 of those top 25 teams (we have beaten 0 teams with a winning record), 3. Has a P5 win (we lost our P5 game).
So that is why they are getting more love, at the moment, then us. Hopefully that changes if we can keep winning.
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I will give USF at 7-0 should be ranked but top 15 is head scratching, they will get theirs eventually but they’re getting way too much respect, much like WVU who has beaten nobody.
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So many of you dig so hard to prove Marshall deserves no respect. Why? You must enjoy it.....and if the truth be known, don't really care that much whether they win or lose. You must really like Landon's articles!
I disagree with those that say we deserve no respect. Of course we do and the naysayers on here will not change my mind.
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Agree. USF seems way overrated.
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They need to just keep winning and it will take care of itself.
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It's simple.
UCF - 1. Has been killing teams (either we can't or Doc won't let us do that), 2. Has beaten 3 teams with a winning record (we have beaten 0 teams with a winning record), 3. Has a P5 win (we lost our P5 game).
USF - Yes terrible schedule but....1. Has been killing teams (either we can't or Doc won't let us do that). 2. Has a P5 win (we lost our P5 game).
Memphis - 1. Has been killing teams (either we can't or Doc won't let us do that), 2. Has beaten 3 teams with a winning record, 2 of those top 25 teams (we have beaten 0 teams with a winning record), 3. Has a P5 win (we lost our P5 game).
Cheap to equate the UCF and USF P5 wins over Illinois and Maryland with NC St. LOL. Is that you Chuck?
So that is why they are getting more love, at the moment, then us. Hopefully that changes if we can keep winning.
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Who cares. Heck most of he people on here said we would struggle and the national media did as well. Just keep winning. This year sets up like 2013. Our year is next year. If we can somehow keep Brady another year it would be even more awesome.
Sure I wish we were ranked higher but we can’t make people vote us there. We can’t help that other teams aren’t doing better. Just keep winning and do what we can control.
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Is it our fault our conference is weak and all but one of our OOC foes are weak? No, but that all plays into it. We all know its about style points in college football nowadays. Some of you need to quite pretending it isn't. Perception is reality. People perceive the AAC a stronger conference so of course they're getting more respect. Thats just how it is. And of course wins against P5, even Illinois and Maryland, are going to mean more than a loss to NCSt. Thats just delusional to think otherwise. Then again several are on here. We were passed over in '14 bco of weak SoS and we'll be passed over again this year even if we win out. We needed to beat NCSt and we didn't. Right now we need to use the rest of the season, win out, win a conf title, win a bowl game and set up for the Access run next year by starting the year off with more respect. We can't change the strength of our opponents any more than we change the selection system in place for the NY6 games. We just have to take care of our own business and put ourselves in the best place for success and keep building for the future.
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Not only does usf schedule and ucf schedule sucks, We crushed a mtsu team on the road that went on the road and beat syracuse who upset the national champs. That is more than any of the other teams in g5 ahead of us have done. We get no respect bc of Doc. He has never been given a chance anywhere else because he is not a head coach. Our schedule has been watered down to make him look good. Yes we have talent but we dont get to show off how good we really are because of Mike and Doc.
Are you freaking out of your mind? Beating MTSU is not even close as impressive as UCF destroying Maryland and Memphis. Their schedule is light years ahead of ours. Good Lord some of you are so blinded by Loyalty.
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USF/UCF still have to play each other. They both have some tough games left too. Season is far from over and the chances of them both losing 1-2 games is pretty high.
All we have to do is keep on winning and we will be in the discussion at the very least. Remember, only one of them can play for the AAC Championship. If they were to lose then they aren't even eligible for the Access spot.
All MWC teams already have 2 or more losses.
We will def get in ahead of anyone from the MAC/Sun Belt if we win out.
If we win out we could sneak in there this year if the AAC beats each other up down the stretch.
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So many of you dig so hard to prove Marshall deserves no respect. Why? You must enjoy it.....and if the truth be known, don't really care that much whether they win or lose. You must really like Landon's articles!
I disagree with those that say we deserve no respect. Of course we do and the naysayers on here will not change my mind.
No, I think some just think it's crazy to try and put down Wisconsin, UCF and others about their schedule. And then act like we have beaten someone. Can you imagine what Wisconsin and UCF would be saying in this argument? They would be laughing and saying you guys have beat WHO? Trying to argue we have beaten better teams than Memphis, Maryland etc is crazy.
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"We all know its about style points in college football nowadays."
Apollo, it has been a lot about style points fin CFB for many decades, not just nowadays. The current 4 team playoff is nearly as bad as the BCS system. A true 16 or 24 team playoff would be a better championship model and would generate even more money; however, the payola system well documented by Dan Wetzel is still in place. As long as the big bowl promoters, the P5 Ad's & the P5 Presidents are treated to the luxury perks & dough that will never change.
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Here's the thing...
Are we a much improved ball club this year? Yes.
Are we a young club that is likely building to next year? Yes.
Are we really one of the top 25 football teams in the nation this year? No.
Doesn't mean we can't win a conference title and get more bowl trophies 'cause at Marshall, we like to collect shiny things.
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Negative naysaying is back. Screw it, this team is good, go Herd, kick ass as we are doing now and things will happen. This team is proving itself and I see good things occurring!
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"We all know its about style points in college football nowadays."
Apollo, it has been a lot about style points fin CFB for many decades, not just nowadays. The current 4 team playoff is nearly as bad as the BCS system. A true 16 or 24 team playoff would be a better championship model and would generate even more money; however, the payola system well documented by Dan Wetzel is still in place. As long as the big bowl promoters, the P5 Ad's & the P5 Presidents are treated to the luxury perks & dough that will never change.
Very true. I guess I include the BCS era in my "nowadays", more like modern era.
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So many of you dig so hard to prove Marshall deserves no respect. Why? You must enjoy it.....and if the truth be known, don't really care that much whether they win or lose. You must really like Landon's articles!
I disagree with those that say we deserve no respect. Of course we do and the naysayers on here will not change my mind.
No, I think some just think it's crazy to try and put down Wisconsin, UCF and others about their schedule. And then act like we have beaten someone. Can you imagine what Wisconsin and UCF would be saying in this argument? They would be laughing and saying you guys have beat WHO? Trying to argue we have beaten better teams than Memphis, Maryland etc is crazy.
Respect is earned!, jstherd. Just because we're 6/1, and had a moral victory over N.C. State doesn't constitute the voters "respecting us" We need to keep winning and trust me, everything else will fall into place. Right now we're on the outside looking in. If we keep pounding we will get inside.
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You are right & you're wrong. The bias isn't against MU specifically. The bias is against CUSA in it's entirety. ESPN has snubbed us ever since the league refused to sign their crappy TV deal. Even in ESPN's weakened state they still control the propaganda machine of CFB.
The AAC has a deal w/ ESPN. UCF I'm willing to concede on. USF & Memphis have done NOTHING. USF's strength of schedule is the WORST in all of CFB. Memphis beat UCLA, so what. UCLA is hardly world beaters.
I agree we are not poor picked on MU but the league in general is given no respect even when a team like our 14' team, a WKU, or whomever rightfully deserves their respect. I agree losing to the 15th ranked team doesn't help your argument. IMO though to lose the way we lost on their home field does carry some weight. I don't necessarily believe we deserve a Top 25 ranking right now this week but I see teams ahead of us both in receiving votes & in the Top 25 already that we could, should, & would beat.
I would even wager a guess that even if we finish the year in the Top 25 w/ only a small handful of contributors graduating that we won't show up in the pre-season Top 25.
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not defending ESPN AT ALL, some of your assumptions/observations are accurate, but how do you know the deal CUSA walked away from was crappy? I know the details and it was quite good and long term would have been much much better than where they are now or the deal they took from CSTV that started the ball rolling downhill....... it was not all that different from the deal the AAC has now, adjusted for the time difference........... ESPN's "weakened" state is still a far distant first in the industry with little real competition from anyone else............the marketplace affecting ESPN is having the same effect on the other cable sports networks as well. The cable model is unraveling somewhat, but it affects everyone...... and while many board posters talk about streaming, there is little revenue there currently for sports.
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9-1 gets us in, i believe, or just outside. But we have to get there. Lose again and even at 11-2, we don't sniff the top 25.
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It's simple.
UCF - 1. Has been killing teams (either we can't or Doc won't let us do that), 2. Has beaten 3 teams with a winning record (we have beaten 0 teams with a winning record), 3. Has a P5 win (we lost our P5 game).
USF - Yes terrible schedule but....1. Has been killing teams (either we can't or Doc won't let us do that). 2. Has a P5 win (we lost our P5 game).
Memphis - 1. Has been killing teams (either we can't or Doc won't let us do that), 2. Has beaten 3 teams with a winning record, 2 of those top 25 teams (we have beaten 0 teams with a winning record), 3. Has a P5 win (we lost our P5 game).
So that is why they are getting more love, at the moment, then us. Hopefully that changes if we can keep winning.
Excellent observation!!! and their league is more highly regarded.
AAC has: USF, UCF, Memphis, Navy, etc..............we have Marshall, FAU, North Texas.............hmmmmmm
BTW: Did any of you clamoring for respect and critical of USF/UCF see our games vs. UNCC and Kent? Wins are terrific, especially coming off 3-9, but come on...........let's be realistic.
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Excellent observation!!! and their league is more highly regarded.
AAC has: USF, UCF, Memphis, Navy, etc..............we have Marshall, FAU, North Texas.............hmmmmmm
BTW: Did any of you clamoring for respect and critical of USF/UCF see our games vs. UNCC and Kent? Wins are terrific, especially coming off 3-9, but come on...........let's be realistic.
We don't do realistic here Dshoe. If you're realistic you're a naysayer who deep down wants the Herd to fail. Haven't you gotten that memo?
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We will get respect when we start beating teams that has a pulse.
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not defending ESPN AT ALL, some of your assumptions/observations are accurate, but how do you know the deal CUSA walked away from was crappy? I know the details and it was quite good and long term would have been much much better than where they are now or the deal they took from CSTV that started the ball rolling downhill....... it was not all that different from the deal the AAC has now, adjusted for the time difference........... ESPN's "weakened" state is still a far distant first in the industry with little real competition from anyone else............the marketplace affecting ESPN is having the same effect on the other cable sports networks as well. The cable model is unraveling somewhat, but it affects everyone...... and while many board posters talk about streaming, there is little revenue there currently for sports.
Dan w/ all due respect hind sight is always 20/20. CUSA took a gamble & it flopped. I don't believe for 1 second that anyone could've or would've predicted @ that time our current state of viewing now.
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Not only does usf schedule and ucf schedule sucks, We crushed a mtsu team on the road that went on the road and beat syracuse who upset the national champs. That is more than any of the other teams in g5 ahead of us have done. We get no respect bc of Doc. He has never been given a chance anywhere else because he is not a head coach. Our schedule has been watered down to make him look good. Yes we have talent but we dont get to show off how good we really are because of Mike and Doc.
Doc has been a head coach for 8 years. Probably time to put this argument to bed.
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Doc has been a head coach for 8 years. Probably time to put this argument to bed.
I agree. It's been a long time coming, but I actually see coaching improvement from Doc. If he changed last year's attitude to this year's results you have to give him credit. Of course hopefully he's learned not to let a team get into that kind of chemistry funk again. Doc looks more relaxed on the sidelines and is actually going around and motivating the players. We do not do well when Doc take that lone-man-on-an-island stern looking coaching position on the sideline. I'm also seeing better pre-game preparation & motivation from Doc. He had the team ready to play against Cincinnati & MTSU. They were also ready to play against NC State, but the halftime adjustments were lacking.
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Doc has been a head coach for 8 years. Probably time to put this argument to bed.
and as far as the Mike part goes we've already had chances vs Pitt and NC St to show how good we are. Same two plus South Carolina, Navy, Cincy, ECU and Boise still to come. Ten games still to come to show how good we are because of Mike.
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Dan w/ all due respect hind sight is always 20/20. CUSA took a gamble & it flopped. I don't believe for 1 second that anyone could've or would've predicted @ that time our current state of viewing now.
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I don't know. Back then, It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the league went solely for the money of the CSTV deal and didn't look into the future of what would happen if they went under. Bad decision that's killing us today. Should have stayed with ESPN. jmo.
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"Again No Respect from National anything"
when all facts are in, mid 30s to 40 seems about right. we don't have a high powered O [yet]. we've put together arguably one complete game. the teams we beat OOC were basically down this year. the good thing is we're steady if not flashy; fewer mental errors, better execution so that's a confidence builder for down the road and speaking of the road...not bad, eh?
this year, it looks like for the most part, the injury bug moved on to other cusa teams
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Dan w/ all due respect hind sight is always 20/20. CUSA took a gamble & it flopped. I don't believe for 1 second that anyone could've or would've predicted @ that time our current state of viewing now.
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I don't disagree with you here at all...........just the "because we didn't sign their crappy contract...... makes derogatory assumptions that simply are not accurate. I was involved with that offer and trust me on this one, it wasn't crappy. Ever hear the old saying, if it sounds too good to be true.... It probably is!! CUSA fell victim to that adage and it shouldn't have happened..... Lots of people were being paid lots of money to KNOW what they were doing. It set the conference on a downward spiral that has been very difficult to recover from.
ESPN has, by many of our fans, been painted as the bad guy in all of this......simply wasn't the case. Has their business changed, sure! But at the time and immediately following, not the case
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Excellent observation!!! and their league is more highly regarded.
AAC has: USF, UCF, Memphis, Navy, etc..............we have Marshall, FAU, North Texas.............hmmmmmm
BTW: Did any of you clamoring for respect and critical of USF/UCF see our games vs. UNCC and Kent? Wins are terrific, especially coming off 3-9, but come on...........let's be realistic.
Well said!!!
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"Again No Respect from National anything"
when all facts are in, mid 30s to 40 seems about right. we don't have a high powered O [yet]. we've put together arguably one complete game. the teams we beat OOC were basically down this year. the good thing is we're steady if not flashy; fewer mental errors, better execution so that's a confidence builder for down the road and speaking of the road...not bad, eh?
this year, it looks like for the most part, the injury bug moved on to other cusa teams
Good assessment. How in the world did/can you get "smited" for this?
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Good assessment. How in the world did/can you get "smited" for this?
Because weak little people who are too soft, like to feel powerful with a “smite” button. I personally find it funny. They get to finally push back because no one knows who did it....
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I don't disagree with you here at all...........just the "because we didn't sign their crappy contract...... makes derogatory assumptions that simply are not accurate. I was involved with that offer and trust me on this one, it wasn't crappy. Ever hear the old saying, if it sounds too good to be true.... It probably is!! CUSA fell victim to that adage and it shouldn't have happened..... Lots of people were being paid lots of money to KNOW what they were doing. It set the conference on a downward spiral that has been very difficult to recover from.
ESPN has, by many of our fans, been painted as the bad guy in all of this......simply wasn't the case. Has their business changed, sure! But at the time and immediately following, not the case
Shoe how do you feel about CUSA rejoining ESPN is it to late? I'm with you, so many hated ESPN and as they saying goes, "be careful of what you wish for". I wish we could be back on ESPN. It would definitely help our brand name and be a great recruiting tool.
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Shoe how do you feel about CUSA rejoining ESPN is it to late? I'm with you, so many hated ESPN and as they saying goes, "be careful of what you wish for". I wish we could be back on ESPN. It would definitely help our brand name and be a great recruiting tool.
They have a contract with ESPN now..... just doesn't have any "real" money in it..........every game CUSA plays (except for games on BeIn (in its last year) and CBSSN ....and Stadium (in its last year) can be on ESPN3 if the schools want to produce them.....CUSA needs to quit fooling around with CUSA.tv and move all of that product to ESPN3....... there is NO significant revenue to be gained through CUSA.tv and so much to lose in accessability
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Are you freaking out of your mind? Beating MTSU is not even close as impressive as UCF destroying Maryland and Memphis. Their schedule is light years ahead of ours. Good Lord some of you are so blinded by Loyalty.
Agreed. I can’t help wondering how many of those who minimize UCF’s victory over Maryland were ecstatic when the victory over Maryland was by us in a bowl game.
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Agreed. I can’t help wondering how many of those who minimize UCF’s victory over Maryland were ecstatic when the victory over Maryland was by us in a bowl game.
Bingo!!!
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Bingo!!!
bust. Would you like to comment on the following schedule .
Concord
W&M
Southern
Tenn Martin
WV Tech
WV Wesleyan
Eastern Ky
FIU
CUSA bottom feeders
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bust. Would you like to comment on the following schedule .
Concord
W&M
Southern
Tenn Martin
WV Tech
WV Wesleyan
Eastern Ky
FIU
Don't get football mixed up with basketball. Tenn Martin has had some good teams thru the years. EKU has also and a good regional game. William and Mary I believe was decent last year alkso. And you forgot to mention Xavier and Illinois. Football had one team out of 12 that barely had a pulse or no pulse at all. Those are just facts not an opinion.
CUSA bottom feeders
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Not only does usf schedule and ucf schedule sucks, We crushed a mtsu team on the road that went on the road and beat syracuse who upset the national champs. That is more than any of the other teams in g5 ahead of us have done. We get no respect bc of Doc. He has never been given a chance anywhere else because he is not a head coach. Our schedule has been watered down to make him look good. Yes we have talent but we dont get to show off how good we really are because of Mike and Doc.
On the flipside of that, NC State lost to Texas A&M... who lost to UCLA... who lost to Memphis
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On the flipside of that, NC State lost to Texas A&M... who lost to UCLA... who lost to Memphis
Huh? NC State hasn't played Texas A&M this year.
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On the flipside of that, NC State lost to Texas A&M... who lost to UCLA... who lost to Memphis
Wrong!! NC State's only lost so far was to S. Carolina. They don't play A&M this year.
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Wrong!! NC State's only lost so far was to S. Carolina. They don't play A&M this year.
How dare you guys research and bring facts into this!
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Ok. Fixed it. NC State lost to South Carolina who lost to A&M.. who lost to UCLA...who lost to Memphis.
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Ok. Fixed it. NC State lost to South Carolina who lost to A&M.. who lost to UCLA...who lost to Memphis.
Are you really using the transitive property to the 4th degree to make some sort of point?
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Are you really using the transitive property to the 4th degree to make some sort of point?
The only point being such arguments are absolutely silly and was made in response to the poster claiming some great feat by beating MTSU who beat Cuse who beat Clemson. (3rd degree)
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not defending ESPN AT ALL, some of your assumptions/observations are accurate, but how do you know the deal CUSA walked away from was crappy? I know the details and it was quite good and long term would have been much much better than where they are now or the deal they took from CSTV that started the ball rolling downhill....... it was not all that different from the deal the AAC has now, adjusted for the time difference........... ESPN's "weakened" state is still a far distant first in the industry with little real competition from anyone else............the marketplace affecting ESPN is having the same effect on the other cable sports networks as well. The cable model is unraveling somewhat, but it affects everyone...... and while many board posters talk about streaming, there is little revenue there currently for sports.
There's more to a crappy deal than $$. There's always crowd killing early week MACtion. I'm sure the other courtiers were promising and delivered Saturday games at a comparable monetary offering. CUSA rolled the dice and lost, but it wasn't necessarily the wrong move. And if ESPN's deal was the better deal with money, then why did they sue CUSA for not giving them the opportunity to match the deal we took as part of their right of first refusal? Before you slip and slide around that, it is well documented, and ESPN won the case. They had to offer something substantially lower whether money, air time, primetime, something, in order to be chafed over not being allowed to counter a different deal. If they opened with the best deal they were going to make there is no case.
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The only point being such arguments are absolutely silly and was made in response to the poster claiming some great feat by beating MTSU who beat Cuse who beat Clemson. (3rd degree)
Ok makes sense now. I thought maybe you were serious. 😂