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The place to talk Marshall University sports! => HerdFans => Topic started by: GoHerd35 on March 25, 2024, 06:07:36 PM
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https://x.com/goodmanhoops/status/1772383681346187637
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Lots of people were begging DD to retire, including many of his close friends. He refused to do so.
Also, hearing Ryan Taylor will move up to assistant. Pending on Mark Cline's future we could be adding another Herd legend to the staff.
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Time to do the right thing and bring in Bob Huggins. He would take the job
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If this is true, we just got worse. Time to quit being bush league amd make a hire to get better. Corny wont put a single person more in the stands than we have now, and recruiting not as good as it is now. Major step backwards.
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https://www.wsaz.com/2024/03/25/mu-parting-ways-with-coach-dan-dantoni/
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If this is true, we just got worse. Time to quit being bush league amd make a hire to get better. Corny wont put a single person more in the stands than we have now, and recruiting not as good as it is now. Major step backwards.
What even is this? Anything is better than 0. Impossible to get worse.
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If this is true, we just got worse. Time to quit being bush league amd make a hire to get better. Corny wont put a single owron more in the stands rhan we have kow, and recruiting not as good as it is now. Major step backwards.
I asked why CJ would be a good replacement. The answer I received is he will bring in more talent and he recruited Kinsey. So 1 guy in seven years? Not knocking CJ, just seems like a lateral move at best.
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Is this a joke?
Hiring from within???
Surely this is just to get recruiting through.
What about Brannen, AW, etc.
Get young and hungry. We aren't Duke with Jon Scheyer just moving up into position.
Hopefully this is just an interim step. If not, then very bad decision.
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Its a business. Terrible hire if true. I am hoping Jackson takes over duties until a coach is hired. This is not the time to keep things as is, or worse. Spears better get to work or this will cost him as well.
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Dan kept saying he wanted to coach next season, so it looks like a messy divorce/split!
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I'm not saying Corny was the right hire. But, if what I've read on this board in the past is true, Corny and Williams had numerous recruits rejected by DD. I think one was that freshman at Coastal Carolina that recently hit the portal.
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Just received texts from 2 college coaches in WV. Both were the same; WTF?
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This is a terrible hire. Why would we hire an assistant from a 20 loss team with no real credentials. We need someone to move the excitement meter and this sure doesn?t do that. Lazy hire
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Corny isn't the answer!!!
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https://x.com/LukeCreasy/status/1772391174797504956?s=20
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This has got to be a way to appease the big donors, Scaggs family, and others. Just sad that certain people hold money over the head of the school they supposedly love. Jmho
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I don't see how this improves the program.
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This is a terrible hire. Why would we hire an assistant from a 20 loss team with no real credentials. We need someone to move the excitement meter and this sure doesn?t do that. Lazy hire
Nothing against Jackson, but his coaching experience is WVSC; UT Martin; Cleveland State and working for clowntoni. That is not impressive. I don't understand why anybody would want to work for Dan when they wanted to succeed in their career as a college coach. I would think you would want to work for the best possible college college coach. In reality, Dan is not a good college coach.
Edit: I hope CJ turns out to be successful.
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I will post one time on this. As this coaching change has shown, there are only really a couple people on this board who are in the know when it comes to what?s going on behind the scenes. With that being said, you don?t know what CJ knows or what connections he may have. He may be a great one? He may flame out? You don?t know. And since you don?t know you can either cheer him and celebrate the hire or you can Pooh Pooh it. I myself will choose to be optimistic. Knowing this board, others will just complain. Which type of person do you wanna be? Because obviously as how this played out should show you , most really don?t know what?s going on behind the scenes. As such, choose to be optimistic, you?ll be happier
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"D'antoni declined to make a statement." Big shocker, there. He's avoided making statements all year, including on the court.
Part one is over. Just rejoice. We can deal with part two as needed. Getting him out of the bunker was the hard part.
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Dan kept saying he wanted to coach next season, so it looks like a messy divorce/split!
I was told that Dan was very mad/upset about being let go, which should not be surprising.
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No doubt this is a money thing. I'm not sure Marshall was in a position to get rid of a coach, pay what they had to, and then pay someone big. I'm not sure our assistants were allowed to do much except for Duhon and the guy who brought in ask the European guys.
I say give Corny a chance. Support him. Of course some here are hoping he'll fail so you can say I told you so and then complain about how others act toward their school.
So I'm behind Corny and hoping this is the turn around Herd Hoops needs.
Congratulations Corny and Go Herd
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Nothing against Jackson, but his coaching experience is WVSC; UT Martin; Cleveland State and working for clowntoni. That is not impressive.
It?s more impressive than DD?s resume when DD got hired.
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My initial thought is how can an assistant from a terrible team get promoted to the head coach.
I am going to give Corny a chance and see what portal players he brings in and how he "immediately" manages this roster. On the surface this seems like a very lazy hire.
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https://x.com/LukeCreasy/status/1772391174797504956?s=20
Probably the first time Dan didn't have anything to say, surprised he didn't have one of his assistance give a statement.
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Not impressed. He may very well be a great coach.
But this will not move the needle as far as fan support goes. (Butts in seats and $$$)
No National search. No interested parties. Nothing.
Just a quick fire and immediate promotion from a middling team in one announcement.
I'm choosing not to support. I'm sure I won't be alone.
Lazy, lazy hire.
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I don't know what kind of Coach CJ will be. He may turn out to be a real surprise and turn heads or he may fail. But I do know he will bring in better talent and athletes. It's not the sexy hire and exciting but I will support him because he deserves a chance to show what he can do since the deal has been done. He has a great opportunity ahead of him. He has a fanbase and a conference that is there to grab. Roster management and recruiting will be the first thing I'll be looking at. Congrats Corny and Go Herd!!!
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Pumped we actually made this change and got rid of DD.
Not happy with CJ as coach, but this is last I will comment on it until we see what we can do. In fairness, most of us are against the CJ hire just because he was the assistant to DD.
Are we sure he is named the HC or is he just an interim guy while we conduct a search etc?
If he is the guy, I will cheer him on and see what he can do. It?s not fair for us (myself included) to not give the guy a shot just because of who his boss was. Maybe he just loved Marshall more then he hated working under DD?
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I will post one time on this. As this coaching change has shown, there are only really a couple people on this board who are in the know when it comes to what?s going on behind the scenes. With that being said, you don?t know what CJ knows or what connections he may have. He may be a great one? He may flame out? You don?t know. And since you don?t know you can either cheer him and celebrate the hire or you can Pooh Pooh it. I myself will choose to be optimistic. Knowing this board, others will just complain. Which type of person do you wanna be? Because obviously as how this played out should show you , most really don?t know what?s going on behind the scenes. As such, choose to be optimistic, you?ll be happier
Thanks for the intel. You and BJS certainly had the inside scoop.
BTW, I'm hearing CJ's contract is a 3-year deal with no buyout. Stay tuned.
I'll give Corny a shot and benefit of the doubt. Time will tell.
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Goodman is reporting it is a 2 year deal.
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My initial thought is how can an assistant from a terrible team get promoted to the head coach.
I am going to give Corny a chance and see what portal players he brings in and how he "immediately" manages this roster. On the surface this seems like a very lazy hire.
Do we know what Corny was allowed to do? Yes I think there should have been a national search but most of us are not privy to the longer term plans, if there are any. Sometimes a person can flourish when the stubborn overbearing boss is gone. Most wanted Dan gone. At least that wish came true.
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https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1772395559883506082?s=20
So he just took over Dan's current contract with no buyout?
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Hate to lose back to back well-regarded players of Marshall Basketball like this. Hope Corny works out. He will likely not be given the benefit of any doubt considering the coaching tree he just spawned from.
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Just a side note: Marshall top revenue-sport head coaches are African-American in Jackson and Huff. I don't know of too many other schools where that is the case. Syracuse. Who else?
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Just a side note: Marshall top revenue-sport head coaches are African-American in Jackson and Huff. I don't know of too many other schools where that is the case. Syracuse. Who else?
I don't care if they are purple as long as they win. Both coaches should be judged on if they can win games and not on the color of their skin.
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Just a side note: Marshall top revenue-sport head coaches are African-American in Jackson and Huff. I don't know of too many other schools where that is the case. Syracuse. Who else?
Interesting point. Didn't really consider it. Like H2W said below that, don't care what color they are as long as they can be successful. But it is kinda cool. Guess you could say it puts Marshall in the minority. ba dum bump
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Who is Goodman?
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Just a side note: Marshall top revenue-sport head coaches are African-American in Jackson and Huff. I don't know of too many other schools where that is the case. Syracuse. Who else?
Who the hell cares? It?s 2024. We are all equal.
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Who is Goodman?
A national media sports guy. I think CBS or one of the others use is breaking info on sudden sports happenings.
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Goodman info. Worked for ESPN and others
https://watchstadium.com/author/jeff-goodman/ (https://watchstadium.com/author/jeff-goodman/)
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Corny needs to upgrade his staff full of recruiters and have ability to relate to todays players. He?s doomed if doesn?t make staff changes. Poor product will continue. Weirdest hire I?ve ever seen.
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My initial thought is how can an assistant from a terrible team get promoted to the head coach.
I am going to give Corny a chance and see what portal players he brings in and how he "immediately" manages this roster. On the surface this seems like a very lazy hire.
Lazy and bad hire
We suck
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Who is Goodman?
Hey Tim!
How's that guarantee treating you haha
All that posturing and name dropping for nothing.
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Up yours with a red hot poker.
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Danettes will march out the door, and along with it, their monetary support. I hope Danny can hold their feet to the fire regarding the final two years of his contract. If they were going to do this, they should have done it two weeks ago.
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If Corny cleans house of the staff, hope he keeps Coach Kim's husband so we don't lose her.
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Up yours with a red hot poker.
That's exactly what the character played by Robbie Benson told his coach at the end of the 1977 college basketball bio movie, "One on One". Anyone remember that movie or that concluding line?
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Up yours with a red hot poker.
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He played for some pretty good coaches. Kevin O'Neill, Greg White, Gregg Marshall, Kevin Keatts, Jeff Boals.
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Lazy hire. Marshall could screw up a free lunch.
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I hope Danny can hold their feet to the fire regarding the final two years of his contract.
He had a ZERO buyout if we ended it early. Not on the hook for anything.
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Who is Goodman?
Hey look it's Mr I told you.
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He played for some pretty good coaches. Kevin O'Neill, Greg White, Gregg Marshall, Kevin Keatts, Jeff Boals.
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That?s a coaching tree. DD has none but Corny J.
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On Corny staff news, I'm hearing Adam, Caldwell and Ryan Taylor are in. Cline is out and John Elmore is interested in his position.
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On Corny staff news, I'm hearing Adam, Caldwell and Ryan Taylor are in. Cline is out and John Elmore is interested in his position.
Haven't heard Elmore.
Hoping he will bring in someone that has connection with Metro cities like DC, NY or Chicago.
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On Corny staff news, I'm hearing Adam, Caldwell and Ryan Taylor are in. Cline is out and John Elmore is interested in his position.
Is Cline out by choice?
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Is Cline out by choice?
Not his choice
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Get a recruiter who can attack inner cities. Inner city recruiting is fun.
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Not his choice
I would have hired Mark Cline for head coach before I would Jackson. Where is this program going??
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What's all this talk lately about multi-year contracts with no buyout? How exactly is it a multi-year deal if the contract can be terminated at will at any point in time without a penalty? Heck far, why didn't we give him a 20-year contract on those terms, why stop at just 2?
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Is Cline out by choice?
This is strictly from a couple of sources, and they haven't steered me wrong so far. Mark will be 64 this year, has already cut back on some of his duties, due to personal issues. They do not for see him leaving entirely, but could see him taking a role outside of being one of the 4 assistant coaches.
The given is RT will move up to one of the four coaches. There have been overtures to John Elmore, whether he is ready to give up on his pro dream is TBD.
As to DD, the feeling is he will eventually come around, he is more upset than his siblings.
Thats what I heard, take it or leave it.
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On Corny staff news, I'm hearing Adam, Caldwell and Ryan Taylor are in. Cline is out and John Elmore is interested in his position.
That would be a great move. Cline needs to retire as well.
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On Corny staff news, I'm hearing Adam, Caldwell and Ryan Taylor are in. Cline is out and John Elmore is interested in his position.
Elmore is a dog......an alpha
He will succeed as a coach imo
Go Herd!
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My money is Corny hires Jason Slay as an assistant coach.
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https://twitter.com/elmore33/status/1772439477220225190
https://twitter.com/KinseyTaevion/status/1772434810121630188
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Maybe the deal with bringing Corny in was the only way to get Dan to step down and do so amicably. I said a couple days ago I would swap Dans last 2 yrs for Corny if that?s what it took. Then if Corny is terrible next year you cut ties and do a national search. You know Dan wasn?t going to change maybe Corny can get some players in and win.
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My money is Corny hires Jason Slay as an assistant coach.
Tamar?
That's interesting
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You cut a forest down one tree at a time. One step closer. Maybe Corny can finish the job, maybe not. Like everyone else, he has to start somewhere. Give him a chance. With the portal we will know in 2 years whether he can improve the program.
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Tamar?
That's interesting
NOPE! Jason Slay is who I think he will hire....currently at Illinois State, prior to that at South Florida and prior to that at Youngstown State.
It is Tamar's brother and Jason played at WV State when Corny was an assistant.
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That?s a coaching tree. DD has none but Corny J.
White definitely had some great assistant coaches. I think Duhon could have turned into a good coach if he could have kept himself on the straight and narrow. Except for Duhon and that guy who brought in all the Europeans whose name I don't remember I don't think the assistants were able to do much or had much I input.
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Most college coaches start out their careers as grad assistants or program support people, not as D1 assistants. They gain experience as a trainee and decide if they want to do the job as a career. As we found out with Dan, being a good college player doesn't always translate to being a good coach. Hiring a former Marshall player as an assistant coach with no college coaching experience or recruiting contacts might not be a good idea. On the job training doesn't always work.
The whole hiring process is similar to the hiring of Freeman. I not trying to be negative, but once again Marshall doesn't always do the best process of hiring coaches, I hope Marshall is not making the same mistake and repeating history.
That said, I hope CJ is successful. We will know fairly quickly how he will do with the roster makeover.
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Haven't heard Elmore.
Hoping he will bring in someone that has connection with Metro cities like DC, NY or Chicago.
CJ himself has a DC contact who tried to send several players to MU, but there was no follow up or interest by DD. It will be interesting to see if he takes advantage of that relationship as head man.
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Elmore is a dog......an alpha
He will succeed as a coach imo
Go Herd!
Ot's the one who fixed Jon's shot when he was having issues. i think he'd make the better coach. but he isn't going to pull the same name draw as Jon. But given the choice for coach I'd take Ot every time.
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Williams, Caldwell, Taylor and possibly John Elmore isn't a bad staff. Obviously, they better bring in 2-3 fellas who can make an immediate impact. A very good PG and couple of shooters to start. No more Conner at PG, that failed.
A two year deal for Corny?
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I'd like to see AW Hamilton get a shot.
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JUST SAYING - I TRIED TO TELL Y'ALL FEB 16.
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Can't wait for someone from the current staff to get promoted as HC.
Y'all gonna have to start listening to the FilmJunky. His sources never lie.
On a real note.... What a move my Christian Spears to give a 2 year deal to CJ. This is not a knock on CJ at all, but what can you expect from him in 2 years given the state of the program now? How can you recruit? This is absolutely wild to me that an outside search was never done even if they wanted to keep CJ all along. I really don't understand this move. Someone with some $ that we don't know about is calling this shot or spears has just thrown in the towel in basketball. Hopefully CJ can inject some life in this program, but this whole situation is just beyond wild to me.
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NOPE! Jason Slay is who I think he will hire....currently at Illinois State, prior to that at South Florida and prior to that at Youngstown State.
It is Tamar's brother and Jason played at WV State when Corny was an assistant.
I like the idea of bringing an outsider to the staff who has college coaching and recruiting experience instead of just being a former player who doesn't have the experience. Another perspective might be a good idea. Besides the above mentioned schools here is some bio information.
"Prior to his stint at Youngstown State, he was an assistant coach at Virginia Military Institute (2015-17), East Tennessee State (2014-15), Tennessee State (2013-14), and was the director of basketball operations at Georgia Southern (2012-13). He also spent time as the top assistant coach at Hargrave Military Academy after starting his coaching career at his alma mater of West Virginia State after he graduated with his undergraduate degree in general education in 2008."
https://goredbirds.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/jason-slay/1783
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Let's also give some credit to Smith for letting Spears do his job
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I like the idea of bringing an outsider to the staff who has college coaching experience instead of just being a former player. Another perspective might be a good idea. Besides the above mentioned schools here is some bio information.
"Prior to his stint at Youngstown State, he was an assistant coach at Virginia Military Institute (2015-17), East Tennessee State (2014-15), Tennessee State (2013-14), and was the director of basketball operations at Georgia Southern (2012-13). He also spent time as the top assistant coach at Hargrave Military Academy after starting his coaching career at his alma mater of West Virginia State after he graduated with his undergraduate degree in general education in 2008."
https://goredbirds.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/jason-slay/1783
I do too.
We need a young assistant coach who has experience & RECRUITING CONTACTS ALREADY ESTABLISHED.
We lack talent. I don't want to bring in a former player that has to learn on the job as far as how to recruit. That statement won't make a lot of people happy on this board. But we need to bring someone in who knows contacts, knows how to recruit and knows Marshall. Jason Slay has those traits. I don't think Corny, with a 2-year deal, can break in a guy who has never coached at this level.
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I do too.
We need a young assistant coach who has experience & RECRUITING CONTACTS ALREADY ESTABLISHED.
We lack talent. I don't want to bring in a former player that has to learn on the job as far as how to recruit. That statement won't make a lot of people happy on this board. But we need to bring someone in who knows contacts, knows how to recruit and knows Marshall. Slay has those traits. I don't think Corny, with a 2-year deal, can break in a guy who has never coached at this level.
I agree, we need immediate recruiting help and hiring someone with no college coaching experience doesn't make sense. We need an assistant coach who hit the ground running and has recruiting contacts and EXPERIENCE. With the portal, you need to have a seasoned person who knows where to find players.
Like you said, it may upset some fans but CJ needs to look past former stars to turn it around quickly if he wants to keep the job. If CJ turns it around quickly, Marshall made the right hire.
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I think people forget that Corny was a huge up and coming coach when we hired him. He is a recruiter which is what we need right now and he is also a players coach. I have said for years that Corny would be the successor to Dan when he left. I wish it were on better terms, but I am going to give Corny a chance to right the ship.
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Danettes will march out the door, and along with it, their monetary support. I hope Danny can hold their feet to the fire regarding the final two years of his contract. If they were going to do this, they should have done it two weeks ago.
We'll miss all 9 of them and their $23.
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I would be surprised if Jon took the assistants job. 1) I'm not sure he is done chasing his dream. 2) He might not take it because he was being disloyal to DD if he did take it.
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On a real note.... What a move my Christian Spears to give a 2 year deal to CJ. This is not a knock on CJ at all, but what can you expect from him in 2 years given the state of the program now? How can you recruit? This is absolutely wild to me that an outside search was never done even if they wanted to keep CJ all along. I really don't understand this move. Someone with some $ that we don't know about is calling this shot or spears has just thrown in the towel in basketball. Hopefully CJ can inject some life in this program, but this whole situation is just beyond wild to me.
i agree with all of this. despite all the posting to the contrary, DD had to have been contractually owed some THING or some AMOUNT as a "buyout," his contract was terminated 2 years early against his will. i'm guessing either DD agreed to waive a $$$ buyout we owed him IF we let CJ finish out his contract. OR, possibly THIS was the "buyout" language in his contract -- IF DD were to be terminated early, CJ gets to finish out whatever's left of his 3-yr contract. b/c it is kinda odd that CJ was just given the 2 years that DD still had left & nothing more...& with no search done whatsoever. b/c if CS wasn't contractually obligated to promote CJ, then it's hard to believe anything else other than CS has just thrown in the towel on MBB.
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Ot's the one who fixed Jon's shot when he was having issues. i think he'd make the better coach. but he isn't going to pull the same name draw as Jon. But given the choice for coach I'd take Ot every time.
Ot tried coaching and moved on, right?
Anyway he posts on the board so hopefully he will chime in
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Ot tried coaching and moved on, right?
Anyway he posts on the board so hopefully he will chime in
Ot is the best!
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Ot tried coaching and moved on, right?
Anyway he posts on the board so hopefully he will chime in
I have moved on, and while I appreciate the love, Jon would definitely be the better coach! Hope Corny will bring him in and let Jon help him rebuild it to the heights he helped elevate the program to.
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I have moved on, and while I appreciate the love, Jon would definitely be the better coach! Hope Corny will bring him in and let Jon help him rebuild it to the heights he helped elevate the program to.
Ot, do you see a change in recruiting philosophy when comparing Corny to Dan? What differences do you think we will see from Corny running the program now?
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https://x.com/PaulZeise/status/1772643600754512051?s=20
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i agree with all of this. despite all the posting to the contrary, DD had to have been contractually owed some THING or some AMOUNT as a "buyout," his contract was terminated 2 years early against his will. i'm guessing either DD agreed to waive a $$$ buyout we owed him IF we let CJ finish out his contract. OR, possibly THIS was the "buyout" language in his contract -- IF DD were to be terminated early, CJ gets to finish out whatever's left of his 3-yr contract. b/c it is kinda odd that CJ was just given the 2 years that DD still had left & nothing more...& with no search done whatsoever. b/c if CS wasn't contractually obligated to promote CJ, then it's hard to believe anything else other than CS has just thrown in the towel on MBB.
I think there is a lot more going on behind the scenes to give CJ a two year deal. One may be ability to keep a couple of guys around as well as allow CJ to have some better players consider Marshall now that he will be making the scholly decisions. Players he is already has relationships with. If you did a full search now with no coach or staff some of current guys and likely all of contacts that have been made would have taken MU off their list of schools. Also, maybe a guy like John Brannen said he couldn't move now due to commitments but would love to be considered in a year or two. This gives CJ two years to show demonstrable progress. It's like a two year interim. Players know they can leave at any time anyway under the current rules.
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Ot, do you see a change in recruiting philosophy when comparing Corny to Dan? What differences do you think we will see from Corny running the program now?
Listen I?m no expert by any means. I think Dan has been unfairly maligned on this board. I understand wanting better, but all in all I truly think Dan did a great job for a program that lacks a lot of historical success and tradition. I also think people don?t take into account that Dan?s job turned into one that was different than the one he was hired to do.
Dan?s greatest strength was the culture he built around Marshall basketball. It was this culture that allowed for some pretty great successes the first 6-7 years. However, the rule changes I think really threw that out of whack. Nil and transfer rules make culture irrelevant. How would you feel, if your greatest strength at work suddenly became irrelevant. Now culture and program doesn?t matter, it?s all year to year and team to team like a professional team.
To answer your question, I think (hope) corny can lean in to the portal, nil, etc a little more than we have in the past. I think corny being younger will help allow for an easier transition to this new age of college sports. If you look at the coaches having the most success in the portal, they tend to be on the younger side and not quite as ingrained in college sports (Utah states coach for example, golden at Florida, etc).
I think Corny will be strong in recruiting and know I?ll be rooting for his success and the herds success. He learned how to build a program under coach Dan and although that may be less important now, if he can mesh those lessons with his recruiting prowess, Marshall should have a very good one.
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Listen I?m no expert by any means. I think Dan has been unfairly maligned on this board. I understand wanting better, but all in all I truly think Dan did a great job for a program that lacks a lot of historical success and tradition. I also think people don?t take into account that Dan?s job turned into one that was different than the one he was hired to do.
Dan?s greatest strength was the culture he built around Marshall basketball. It was this culture that allowed for some pretty great successes the first 6-7 years. However, the rule changes I think really threw that out of whack. Nil and transfer rules make culture irrelevant. How would you feel, if your greatest strength at work suddenly became irrelevant. Now culture and program doesn?t matter, it?s all year to year and team to team like a professional team.
To answer your question, I think (hope) corny can lean in to the portal, nil, etc a little more than we have in the past. I think corny being younger will help allow for an easier transition to this new age of college sports. If you look at the coaches having the most success in the portal, they tend to be on the younger side and not quite as ingrained in college sports (Utah states coach for example, golden at Florida, etc).
I think Corny will be strong in recruiting and know I?ll be rooting for his success and the herds success. He learned how to build a program under coach Dan and although that may be less important now, if he can mesh those lessons with his recruiting prowess, Marshall should have a very good one.
Love having your input on the board man!
Go Herd!
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Listen I?m no expert by any means. I think Dan has been unfairly maligned on this board. I understand wanting better, but all in all I truly think Dan did a great job for a program that lacks a lot of historical success and tradition. I also think people don?t take into account that Dan?s job turned into one that was different than the one he was hired to do.
Dan?s greatest strength was the culture he built around Marshall basketball. It was this culture that allowed for some pretty great successes the first 6-7 years. However, the rule changes I think really threw that out of whack. Nil and transfer rules make culture irrelevant. How would you feel, if your greatest strength at work suddenly became irrelevant. Now culture and program doesn?t matter, it?s all year to year and team to team like a professional team.
To answer your question, I think (hope) corny can lean in to the portal, nil, etc a little more than we have in the past. I think corny being younger will help allow for an easier transition to this new age of college sports. If you look at the coaches having the most success in the portal, they tend to be on the younger side and not quite as ingrained in college sports (Utah states coach for example, golden at Florida, etc).
I think Corny will be strong in recruiting and know I?ll be rooting for his success and the herds success. He learned how to build a program under coach Dan and although that may be less important now, if he can mesh those lessons with his recruiting prowess, Marshall should have a very good one.
A good example of blending recruiting High School and portal is Otzelberger at Iowa State.
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Listen I?m no expert by any means. I think Dan has been unfairly maligned on this board. I understand wanting better, but all in all I truly think Dan did a great job for a program that lacks a lot of historical success and tradition. I also think people don?t take into account that Dan?s job turned into one that was different than the one he was hired to do.
Dan?s greatest strength was the culture he built around Marshall basketball. It was this culture that allowed for some pretty great successes the first 6-7 years. However, the rule changes I think really threw that out of whack. Nil and transfer rules make culture irrelevant. How would you feel, if your greatest strength at work suddenly became irrelevant. Now culture and program doesn?t matter, it?s all year to year and team to team like a professional team.
To answer your question, I think (hope) corny can lean in to the portal, nil, etc a little more than we have in the past. I think corny being younger will help allow for an easier transition to this new age of college sports. If you look at the coaches having the most success in the portal, they tend to be on the younger side and not quite as ingrained in college sports (Utah states coach for example, golden at Florida, etc).
I think Corny will be strong in recruiting and know I?ll be rooting for his success and the herds success. He learned how to build a program under coach Dan and although that may be less important now, if he can mesh those lessons with his recruiting prowess, Marshall should have a very good one.
Thanks for the response. It's good to see you hanging around the board. Stay around and provide input when you can.
In regards to Corny, he wasn't my pick to take over when Dan stepped aside. However, he will definitely have my support in hopes of getting this turned around. He seems like genuinely great dude, and I hope he surpasses all expectations.
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I think people forget that Corny was a huge up and coming coach when we hired him. He is a recruiter which is what we need right now and he is also a players coach. I have said for years that Corny would be the successor to Dan when he left. I wish it were on better terms, but I am going to give Corny a chance to right the ship.
FYI: His previous coaching stops were Cleveland State; UT Martin and WVSC. I just wish he had experience or exposure with better or higher profile programs and coaches.
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I think there is a lot more going on behind the scenes to give CJ a two year deal. One may be ability to keep a couple of guys around as well as allow CJ to have some better players consider Marshall now that he will be making the scholly decisions. Players he is already has relationships with. If you did a full search now with no coach or staff some of current guys and likely all of contacts that have been made would have taken MU off their list of schools. Also, maybe a guy like John Brannen said he couldn't move now due to commitments but would love to be considered in a year or two. This gives CJ two years to show demonstrable progress. It's like a two year interim. Players know they can leave at any time anyway under the current rules.
The decision on CJ was not made this week, or in the past few weeks. Despite what some may think, the man has had several other opportunities and has turned them down. By the way, this was not directed at you, just trying to answer your questions.
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I am willing to give coach Jackson a chance. Based on what I have read here, he had some decent players lined up only to be shot down by D'Antoni. I was willing to give up my season tickets had D'Antoni came back for another year. I was not going to pay hard earned money to watch us play a bunch of nobodies at home just so D'Antoni coudl pad his wins. I think we will see some improvement for the 24-25 season. Some of the conference teams will lost to this past season will end up as wins. Just a gut feeling. Also, I believe coach Jackson will play for the whole season, not just March.
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I am willing to give coach Jackson a chance. Based on what I have read here, he had some decent players lined up only to be shot down by D'Antoni. I was willing to give up my season tickets had D'Antoni came back for another year. I was not going to pay hard earned money to watch us play a bunch of nobodies at home just so D'Antoni coudl pad his wins. I think we will see some improvement for the 24-25 season. Some of the conference teams will lost to this past season will end up as wins. Just a gut feeling. Also, I believe coach Jackson will play for the whole season, not just March.
Last post I?ll make and I promise I?m not calling you out individually. But the hatred for Dan and the fans threatening to give up season tickets is not cool. This is from a former players perspective, that?s tough to see from anyone. And definitely would only hinder the program and not help. Coach Dan had it right when he said you should support the school, win or lose. It?s Marshall and should be the place we love. And trust me I know this board wants to win and is tough. Probably too tough. Heck I?ve checked in here and get maligned for my coaching decisions of herd that from time to time and how I could be doing better. And that?s something I do every summer with Jon just because our love for the school and wanting to represent it well. Even been maligned for announcing the games and I just do that because Marshall asked me to. I have a day job and have no desire to be an announcer. Moral of the story, I hope fans realize prospective players see this board, players do , former players, etc. I?m going to support win or lose.
You should be Asking not what the team can / should be doing for you, but what you could be doing for the team -ot Elmore
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I mean, we did do that for a lot of years. Some of his biggest critics were his biggest fans early on, including me. Once it was clear he was not going to make the necessary changes in himself to keep up with the way things are now, it was time to do whatever it would take to get him replaced. These aren't people that wanted to give up their seats. They are people that felt like they had to, to do what's best for Marshall. Not out of spite, but to create positive change from negative stagnancy.
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Downgrading your school and not funding its programs does not help no matter what you say. It is alright to criticize coaches but cutting attendance and funding is downright wrong.
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I have moved on, and while I appreciate the love, Jon would definitely be the better coach! Hope Corny will bring him in and let Jon help him rebuild it to the heights he helped elevate the program to.
Sir, I do not know you. I did find it interesting that you used the words "help him rebuild it". Should I read into that comment that you felt something had gone wrong from when you and your brother were here?
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Last post I?ll make and I promise I?m not calling you out individually. But the hatred for Dan and the fans threatening to give up season tickets is not cool. This is from a former players perspective, that?s tough to see from anyone. And definitely would only hinder the program and not help. Coach Dan had it right when he said you should support the school, win or lose. It?s Marshall and should be the place we love. And trust me I know this board wants to win and is tough. Probably too tough. Heck I?ve checked in here and get maligned for my coaching decisions of herd that from time to time and how I could be doing better. And that?s something I do every summer with Jon just because our love for the school and wanting to represent it well. Even been maligned for announcing the games and I just do that because Marshall asked me to. I have a day job and have no desire to be an announcer. Moral of the story, I hope fans realize prospective players see this board, players do , former players, etc. I?m going to support win or lose.
You should be Asking not what the team can / should be doing for you, but what you could be doing for the team -ot Elmore
Ot, I highly appreciate your perspective and have told you personally how glad I am you've joined the broadcast team. Many of the things you write in support of DD are in fact the things that caused his demise. Just like you decided to mover forward with a career suiting your talents and delivering your desires, you had to learn new things and apply them in today's environment. Unfortunately, due to no fault of anyone on this board, DD kept trying to fit a square peg (the past) ildnto a round hole (the present). No one can be blamed for that expect him. Now whether he could adapt is another situation that only he and a few very close friends and family will/could ever know. Maybe, and perhaps, the new way of doing things wasn't just undesired, maybe it was a difficult challenge defrayed due to its difficulty. We will never know; but the fans didn't turn on DD, he kind of turned on the university when he didn't do all he could have and shou have to win basketball games. I'm confident he is a great teacher, not so confident of his Head Coaching capabilities in today's world. I'm in my 70s and can tell you the reason I still have some "clients" is because I adopted and adapted to their world. I did not try to bend them into my old world. You coach with Herd That, you well know that what you might have done 10 years ago isn't effective today. And as much as we did, and still do, love DD as a person and huge son of Marshall, no one gets to manufacture a false environment in which they feel they can succeed. Again, thanks for reading this without prejudice.
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I just want a coach that can muster the knowledge and resources to defeat the odd high-major from time to time. Not afraid to rock the boat and not just stand there with a warm smile and handshake, yukking it up with the opposing coach after a record-setting 118-82 beatdown.
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Sir, I do not know you. I did find it interesting that you used the words "help him rebuild it". Should I read into that comment that you felt something had gone wrong from when you and your brother were here?
Gone wrong? No. Has athletics changed with nil, portal, etc? Yes. The results you know the last few years aren?t what anyone wanted. But you know who it probably bothered more than this board? That would be Dan. I?ll never say a bad word about him and respect the way he did everything. There is a reason there is a herd that. There is a reason Jon would want to come back to be an assistant, why Ryan Taylor is on staff, why Steve browning and Milan were both GAs, why Justin Edmonds is a ga, why I came back to be an announcer. Dan ran a first class program. To me, that?s more important than wins and losses. Both are important but I know which one I value more.
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Downgrading your school and not funding its programs does not help no matter what you say. It is alright to criticize coaches but cutting attendance and funding is downright wrong.
Who gets to decide it is wrong? People earn their money and get the right to decide how to spend it. MU sports is entertainment and some degree of pride. When the entertainment factor drops below the value of the time, energy, and money that go into it than some people will decide to stop going and spend money elsewhere. Many of those who consider dropping tickets/cut funding have vowed to support other sports at Marshall. Many of these people have supported multiple sports for decades. They, and they alone, can decide when is the right time to stop or reduce funding as they see fit. Some say doing so "is not helpful". Helpful to what end? To those who, in effect, say just keep your tickets, write your check, and shut up I would respond by saying you must not work hard enough to appreciate the fruits of your labor.
The DD as a coach has been pretty well hashed out and everyone ie entitled to their opinion from their own perspective. Personally, I don't think it is too much to ask to hire a coach who is willing to put in the time and effort to make Marshall a top 100 basketball program. That starts with recruiting and scheduling. It's apparent to most that DD had very little interest in doing either one. That started way before Nils and portals came along. That's just fact. BTW, how much did DD support the program "financially" before he became HC? Of course when he is making mid-high six figures as the HC his posture is going to be what it is on supporting the program. What will he do now to enhance the program and university financially and otherwise? That will be telling imo. Most everyone on here has given him due credit for what he did when he took over. The good time memories will last a lifetime. To most who have looked at it objectively, it was past time to move on. I wish Dan nothing but the best and hope he is a constant presence around the arena when the Herd takes the court next season and beyond.
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Gone wrong? No. Has athletics changed with nil, portal, etc? Yes. The results you know the last few years aren?t what anyone wanted. But you know who it probably bothered more than this board? That would be Dan. I?ll never say a bad word about him and respect the way he did everything. There is a reason there is a herd that. There is a reason Jon would want to come back to be an assistant, why Ryan Taylor is on staff, why Steve browning and Milan were both GAs, why Justin Edmonds is a ga, why I came back to be an announcer. Dan ran a first class program. To me, that?s more important than wins and losses. Both are important but I know which one I value more.
That's nice and all but gotta find a middle ground there. When a program needs athletically gifted guys that have to be chained to the bench, sure there are going to be problems from time to time. What the Board doesn't want - if I may be so bold - is a bunch of choir boys that exude class but the W-L record sinks to the bottom of a very mediocre conference.
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While I am old enough to remember Dan playing for Marshall and he was a really good player, I was concerned when he got the coaching position here. I hoped he was successful and supported him for a long time when others had called him out. I?m not certain that he ever recruited to the level necessary and he did catch lightning in a bottle for a couple weeks and made us all proud. I also believe he has a love for Marshall, but it was past time to move on to try someone new. Ot, I agree that he ran a quality program from a player?s perspective and instilled player loyalty within many players, however from a fan?s perspective wins and losses are in fact the most important stat that matters in the end. As with any job, performance always trumps personality. Hopefully, Dan continues to be a part of Herd basketball.
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Last post I?ll make and I promise I?m not calling you out individually. But the hatred for Dan and the fans threatening to give up season tickets is not cool. This is from a former players perspective, that?s tough to see from anyone. And definitely would only hinder the program and not help. Coach Dan had it right when he said you should support the school, win or lose. It?s Marshall and should be the place we love. And trust me I know this board wants to win and is tough. Probably too tough. Heck I?ve checked in here and get maligned for my coaching decisions of herd that from time to time and how I could be doing better. And that?s something I do every summer with Jon just because our love for the school and wanting to represent it well. Even been maligned for announcing the games and I just do that because Marshall asked me to. I have a day job and have no desire to be an announcer. Moral of the story, I hope fans realize prospective players see this board, players do , former players, etc. I?m going to support win or lose.
You should be Asking not what the team can / should be doing for you, but what you could be doing for the team -ot Elmore
I?m not a Marshall alum. I owe NOTHING to this school. I watch for entertainment, and I was completely finished with Marshall basketball if DD came back.
He?s a great guy, but in the current climate of college sports, he?s a TERRIBLE coach.
I don?t care if that bothers players or not. Players are no longer ?amateurs? getting a scholarship to represent their school/community. They are now the same as professionals and they will be treated as such.
Sad that our coach was so bad he had to try and guilt people in to supporting the program.
Having said all of that, I think had we hired DD in early 2000s after Greg White, I think he would have been a great coach for us with his culture/program building mentality. Just not realistic to keep someone as stubborn as him in todays game and expect fans to blindly support the program.
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Also Ot, I think what you all have done with Herd That actually proves our point. You all do a great job recruiting players who fit this system. I watch Herd That and just dream of a Marshall team who runs our style but has the horses to do it.
Herd That is the only positive thing about Marshall basketball the last few years.
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If this is true, we just got worse. Time to quit being bush league amd make a hire to get better. Corny wont put a single person more in the stands than we have now, and recruiting not as good as it is now. Major step backwards.
From what I read here, I thought it couldn't get any worse than Dan?
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Last post I?ll make and I promise I?m not calling you out individually. But the hatred for Dan and the fans threatening to give up season tickets is not cool. This is from a former players perspective, that?s tough to see from anyone. And definitely would only hinder the program and not help. Coach Dan had it right when he said you should support the school, win or lose. It?s Marshall and should be the place we love. And trust me I know this board wants to win and is tough. Probably too tough. Heck I?ve checked in here and get maligned for my coaching decisions of herd that from time to time and how I could be doing better. And that?s something I do every summer with Jon just because our love for the school and wanting to represent it well. Even been maligned for announcing the games and I just do that because Marshall asked me to. I have a day job and have no desire to be an announcer. Moral of the story, I hope fans realize prospective players see this board, players do , former players, etc. I?m going to support win or lose.
You should be Asking not what the team can / should be doing for you, but what you could be doing for the team -ot Elmore
Listen, I respect you and Jon a lot. But that is a very bad take imo. First these players are now able to get money and lots of it in some cases. They can now pull up and leave anytime they want. They need to have thicker skin since they are Alan's and have all this freedom now and loyalty is a thing of the past. And I don't think anyone hates Danny as a person. I know I don't and was a huge fan of his and attended lots of practices and had season tickets for decades. But when a coach won't get out of his own way and do what is best for the schools sport that you have loved for more than 50 years then enough is enough.
Do you really think letting guys sit at the end of the bench for 4-5 years that can't contribute is helping the program? And letting guys RS while Marshall is footing the bill, knowing they are using it to transfer is pathetic. Then on top of that, to shame the fanbase in press conferences is disgusting when you are losing seven in a row and not making any adjustments at all.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I hate that it ended like this for him. But he brought every single bit of this on himself with his awful roster management and hard headed ways. I really hope Corny does well. I know recruiting will be better. Whether he is ready to lead a program and actually coach on game days is yet to be seen. But I hope we can stop hearing it shouldn't matter if we win or lose but just be a good little fan and show up. Have expectations and change the culture from the yuck yuck yuck and folded arms on game day.
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I could be wrong, like I said just my take. Being in the program that?s how I feel. Right, wrong, who knows. Some had just asked my perspective
In regards to those bench guys, I admire the loyalty. Who knows one might end up starting Herd That or come back and be an announcer for the broadcasts.
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I could be wrong, like I said just my take. Being in the program that?s how I feel. Right, wrong, who knows. Some had just asked my perspective
In regards to those bench guys, I admire the loyalty. Who knows one might end up starting Herd That or come back and be an announcer for the broadcasts.
Well if it's all about loyalty then let's just take some of the basketball money and transfer to football or soccer or woman's basketball. Let's at least try and win at something. I guess the basketball motto should be "we play for loyalty and hope the guys come back" instead of winning championships? I hope the administration doesn't have this view because they will start losing a lot of the fanbase. But personally I don't think Corny will have the approach of letting guys sit for 4-5 years like Danny that can't produce. Matter of fact I know he won't.
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I could be wrong, like I said just my take. Being in the program that?s how I feel. Right, wrong, who knows. Some had just asked my perspective
In regards to those bench guys, I admire the loyalty. Who knows one might end up starting Herd That or come back and be an announcer for the broadcasts.
OT thank you for your perspective and being forthright in your beliefs. It is nice to hear the views of somebody who has been part of the team.
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Gone wrong? No. Has athletics changed with nil, portal, etc? Yes. The results you know the last few years aren?t what anyone wanted. But you know who it probably bothered more than this board? That would be Dan. I?ll never say a bad word about him and respect the way he did everything. There is a reason there is a herd that. There is a reason Jon would want to come back to be an assistant, why Ryan Taylor is on staff, why Steve browning and Milan were both GAs, why Justin Edmonds is a ga, why I came back to be an announcer. Dan ran a first class program. To me, that?s more important than wins and losses. Both are important but I know which one I value more.
I was just wondering why "you" used the words for had to "rebuild" the program. You are the one that made that statment.
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Chris you just don't get it if something is wrong it is still wrong no matter how you want it to be right.
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Well if it's all about loyalty then let's just take some of the basketball money and transfer to football or soccer or woman's basketball. Let's at least try and win at something. I guess the basketball motto should be "we play for loyalty and hope the guys come back" instead of winning championships? I hope the administration doesn't have this view because they will start losing a lot of the fanbase. But personally I don't think Corny will have the approach of letting guys sit for 4-5 years like Danny that can't produce. Matter of fact I know he won't.
They asked for Ot's opinion and he gave it. Does not mean he is right or wrong, but that's what an opinion is supposed to be. Someone's thoughts on a situation. You never seemed to care about blasting your opinion on Dan for the first 8 years being in his back pocket, and his biggest supporter telling everyone how great he is / was. Then after 1 down year you switch up quicker than WV weather this time of year......
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I just want a coach that can muster the knowledge and resources to defeat the odd high-major from time to time. Not afraid to rock the boat and not just stand there with a warm smile and handshake, yukking it up with the opposing coach after a record-setting 118-82 beatdown.
At least he shook hands with Coach Cal, he couldn't say that about all the opposing coaches.
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Last post I?ll make and I promise I?m not calling you out individually. But the hatred for Dan and the fans threatening to give up season tickets is not cool. This is from a former players perspective, that?s tough to see from anyone. And definitely would only hinder the program and not help. Coach Dan had it right when he said you should support the school, win or lose. It?s Marshall and should be the place we love. And trust me I know this board wants to win and is tough. Probably too tough. Heck I?ve checked in here and get maligned for my coaching decisions of herd that from time to time and how I could be doing better. And that?s something I do every summer with Jon just because our love for the school and wanting to represent it well. Even been maligned for announcing the games and I just do that because Marshall asked me to. I have a day job and have no desire to be an announcer. Moral of the story, I hope fans realize prospective players see this board, players do , former players, etc. I?m going to support win or lose.
You should be Asking not what the team can / should be doing for you, but what you could be doing for the team -ot Elmore
I can appreciate your perspective as a younger person and player and your loyalty for Dan. College sports has changed with the NIL and transfer rule. Players use to trade a scholarship/education for performing, now they can receive compensation on top of their other benefits. The loyalty of most of the players to a school is mostly gone in this new era. A young player gets upset and he can now leave his current employer for any reason or a better deal. Players perform for the public and they have to accept public's reviews. It is part of life, if you are in the public eye you will get critiqued. I do agree that some fans are over the top.
Marshall is selling a product and fans have a right not to spend their money on a product that don't feel is a worthwhile expenditure. I am a lot older than you and I have seen consumers of Marshall's product in the past cancel season tickets, it is nothing new and it is their right. Undying support for a school is ridiculous. You can't expect consumers to invest in a product that they don't feel supplies a need or want.
Fans or the public expressing their unhappiness with a coach or program is nothing new. I remember in the 1960-1970's era when Tennessee supporters hired a moving van and parked it in front of the UT football coach. Do some research in some of the old Chief Justice yearbooks, I remember in the 1950's and 1960's Marshall students hanging coaches in effigy on the campus.
Dan's problem is that he couldn't adapt to the changes in college sports. He also had issues with recruiting; roster management and coaching. I also would there was concern about his work ethic. He approached college basketball as if it was the same as when he was a player in the 1960's. Conditions have changed in the last 60's years and Dan couldn't or wouldn't adapt to the changes. He was failing, you either adapt or you fail. Rumors are now surfacing that he had a ego problem/personality clashes with his superiors. Never bite the hand that feeds you. Everyone is replaceable as apparently Dan found out the other day.
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If Dan hadn't thrown a hissy fit in his meeting with Brad and Spears, he's likely still be the coach. Going postal in that kind of meeting doesn't give your boss the confidence to keep you on board. And Brad was a Dan fan.
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If Dan hadn't thrown a hissy fit in his meeting with Brad and Spears, he's likely still be the coach. Going postal in that kind of meeting doesn't give your boss the confidence to keep you on board. And Brad was a Dan fan.
where'd this come from??
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Yes SVherd, do tell!
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OT thank you for your perspective and being forthright in your beliefs. It is nice to hear the views of somebody who has been part of the team.
Agreed. I'm glad he was willing to share with us. It's pretty rare. I think Clint VanHorn is the only other one that gave us some perspective around the time Doc was let go. We don't always agree, hell, we don't even agree with each other but it's still enriching to hear how players feel that lived through it all. So, thanks for that, Ot.
As fanatics, try to remember that for us every piece of news is the worst thing that ever happened or the best thing that ever happened and sometimes both or changes in a matter of days or minutes. We are the people that take everything to heart and have mostly no rational reasoning in the way we feel about things. That's our job. Inside folks, like players, may not like what we say, sometimes, but the only time it should bother you is when we stop saying anything at all. That's when we no longer care.
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where'd this come from??
I too am wondering.
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If Dan hadn't thrown a hissy fit in his meeting with Brad and Spears, he's likely still be the coach. Going postal in that kind of meeting doesn't give your boss the confidence to keep you on board. And Brad was a Dan fan.
And you know this how?
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And you know this how?
I have only an opinion and zero knowledge on this but, the fact Dan hasn't made any statement or been available says to me something didn't go well in that meeting. Also, Dans media mouthpiece has not written anything in this. Chuck has been silent even on social media.
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I have only an opinion and zero knowledge on this but, the fact Dan hasn't made any statement or been available says to me something didn't go well in that meeting. Also, Dans media mouthpiece has not written anything in this. Chuck has been silent even on social media.
I think that the immediate elevation of Coach Corny also points to a meeting that didn't go well. Even though there are players that aren't good enough, if Corny's not installed, then there's a greater chance that OAK, Martin, Fricks and/or Conner leave.
I happened to be in the circle behing Old Main when Spears & his staff were walking through Monday between 6:30ish & 7.
There were not any smiles, there was hushed talk & a lot of shoulder shrugging.
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Chris you just don't get it if something is wrong it is still wrong no matter how you want it to be right.
Word salad logic. People have the right to do what they want with their money for whatever reason they have. It's not wrong for people to express lawful freedom of choice and you have no right to deem it wrong. Pretending that we are talking about a moral issue would be a huge overstatement.
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I have only an opinion and zero knowledge on this but, the fact Dan hasn't made any statement or been available says to me something didn't go well in that meeting. Also, Dans media mouthpiece has not written anything in this. Chuck has been silent even on social media.
Bingo. A family member in media stays in touch. This is what was told to me - the meeting did NOT go well.
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Bingo. A family member in media stays in touch. This is what was told to me - the meeting did NOT go well.
I guess my question is why would anyone expect it to?
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I am not sure if this has been pointed out but article on ESPN.com shows no replacement yet for Dan?it was written at 10:29pm Monday night. Wonder why they would not have listed Corny as the replacement? It was announced by then I thought.
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Bingo. A family member in media stays in touch. This is what was told to me - the meeting did NOT go well.
100% the meeting didn?t go well. This was not planned to happen this year and Dan forced the decision of his dismissal by showing his butt is what I was told.
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100% the meeting didn?t go well. This was not planned to happen this year and Dan forced the decision of his dismissal by showing his butt is what I was told.
What could have caused DD to "showing his butt is what I was told", as stated by muherd34?
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Oh man this is starting to get good. Not a surprise he showed his @ss, he?s shown he doesn?t take criticism very well.
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Chris tell me how what you propose is going to help Marshall. After all this is a fan site.
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I remember when Dan got hired, he made a statement something like, "if I'm not getting the job done they won't have to tell me to leave, I'll step aside."
I don't know him personally so it's impossible to know what really happened, but from reading between the lines from multiple sources, he had a huge ego and it got the best of him in the end. I wish him well, but he should have known it was time to step aside.
We never need to make another legacy hire...ever. What a mess this turned into.
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I remember when Dan got hired, he made a statement something like, "if I'm not getting the job done they won't have to tell me to leave, I'll step aside."
I don't know him personally so it's impossible to know what really happened, but from reading between the lines from multiple sources, he had a huge ego and it got the best of him in the end. I wish him well, but he should have known it was time to step aside.
We never need to make another legacy hire...ever. What a mess this turned into.
Unfortunately we just did it again by hiring Corny. Should have done a national search.
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Unfortunately we just did it again by hiring Corny. Should have done a national search.
Agh, maybe I should have rephrased that. I hope we never hire another legacy coach that has friends in high places at Marshall. Corny is on a 2 year, no buyout, prove yourself kind of deal. I would imagine they would move on from him much easier than someone like a D'Antoni.
Btw, I agree we should have done a true search, but there could have been other factors preventing that from happening.
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I remember when Dan got hired, he made a statement something like, "if I'm not getting the job done they won't have to tell me to leave, I'll step aside."
I don't know him personally so it's impossible to know what really happened, but from reading between the lines from multiple sources, he had a huge ego and it got the best of him in the end. I wish him well, but he should have known it was time to step aside.
We never need to make another legacy hire...ever. What a mess this turned into.
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If Dan hadn't thrown a hissy fit in his meeting with Brad and Spears, he's likely still be the coach. Going postal in that kind of meeting doesn't give your boss the confidence to keep you on board. And Brad was a Dan fan.
Well now the plot really thickens.
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Paul... Lots of fond HS memories with him and his brother.
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Great piece on Paul. What does this have to do with DD?
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Great piece on Paul. What does this have to do with DD?
Yea. I was kind of lost with the abrupt and total change in the thread.
Now back to the OP. Give us more info on DDs meeting with Spears and maybe Smith.
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Chris tell me how what you propose is going to help Marshall. After all this is a fan site.
- Keep hiring coaches that believe Marshall can be top 100 in every sport except FB. In football, make the goal to be one of top 3-4 programs outside the P4/5. Give them all the things they think they need to do that within reason. Expect them to schedule and recruit like a top 100 program. If they don't think they can sell Marshall to that extent than don't hire them/keep them. Know what you are looking for and ask the right questions. Have a list to go to if a coach decides to move on or vice versa. Encourage coaches, as Spears says, "to pour themselves into the job".
- Make a collective effort with every coach to sell our fanbase/support, the sense of community, our league, and that playing on a huge campus elsewhere has it's drawbacks and not every top recruit will thrive in that environment. Sell our growing academic culture. Sell our ever improving facilities. You have that type of culture and you win, you won't have to worry near as much about players leaving. I expect softball will be competing for conf title again as soon as next year. The pitcher Maddy Veal was named Georgia Peach Player of Year late last year. We have a C/inf ranked in top 10 catchers in country. The other recruits are very accomplished as well. Tennis is on good footing. Track and Field is trending up. Women's soccer recently signed 4-5 intl players....one is a 19 goal scorer on the JUCO Natl Champ team already in US. We need the resource heavy sports (FB/BB) to catch up.
- NIL is a bribe scheme imo. NIL should be about players like Catlyn Clark (sp). She made about 900k last year using her NIL but none of that money came from Iowa's platform. She is marketable. The money they are handing out for nothing is a just a bribe. However you can use the NIL money strategically to keep players here to an extent imo. Kinsey and Elmore stayed and they would have been a lot harder to replace than MH and AT. There can be a happy medium at non power leagues but you're never going to be able to outbid someone. It shouldn't be about getting players cars to drive and 6 figure payouts, but helping staying for the summer, allowing them to hire personal trainers in their sport, making sure their family can see them play live, maybe helping out their family on occasion.
Those two things, imo, will go farther than anything else as long as everyone is on the same page. What would you suggest?
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- NIL is a bribe scheme imo. NIL should be about players like Catlyn Clark (sp). She made about 900k last year using her NIL but none of that money came from Iowa's platform. She is marketable. The money they are handing out for nothing is a just a bribe.
From ESPN: Iowa women's basketball star Caitlin Clark has been offered $5 million to play in Ice Cube's Big3 league, league co-founder Ice Cube confirmed on social media.
For what it's worth, the highest paid WNBA player made around $235K last year.
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Chris
To make Marshall better we need:
1. More money for both NIL and operations and some plan to get that money.
2. More fans attending games. We are already known for our following and attendance build on that premise. Some people do not come back once they leave.
3. Better leadership. I think this is being developed by Spears and Smith.
4. Quit making decisions on the spur of the moment. No coach we have will be there forever. Even Cam Henderson was let go.
5. Keep building our brand. Better marketing.
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If Dan hadn't thrown a hissy fit in his meeting with Brad and Spears, he's likely still be the coach. Going postal in that kind of meeting doesn't give your boss the confidence to keep you on board. And Brad was a Dan fan.
A friend sent me this following transcript. I have no idea where it came from. She didn't tell me where it came from and I did not ask. She just knew I was a Marshall fan and thought I might like to read it. She said it had been verified. So, I'll pass it along because it certainly sounds plausible.
Last summer, Corny was approached by Kevin Keatts, the coach at NC State, about an assistant position on his staff.
Corny, was obviously interested, but also felt an allegiance to Marshall so he went to Dan and asked for some reassurances.
With how Spears wrote Dan's and Corny's contracts (three individual 1-year contracts) there wasn't much Dan could do other than ask for some revisions.
So he went to Spears and asked him to consider revising the contracts. Spears not being happy with the program said no. Then, Dan asked for Corny to be made the HCIW. Spears turned them down again.
At that point, Dan went directly to Brad (which nuked Dan's and Christian's relationship) and basically repeated himself.
Dan - "We need some reassurances."
Brad - "You have them. You have a 3-year contract."
Dan - "No, we don't."
Brad - "What do you mean?"
Dan - "Christian wrote them as three individual 1-year contracts, not a 3-year contract. Now, NC State is trying to hire Corny away so I want to name him Head Coach In Waiting but I want it in writing"
Brad calls Christian and asks him to come to the office
Brad - "Christian, I want you to write a release stating Corny is our HCIW."
Christian goes back to his office pissed off and writes a release stating Corny is now our associate HC, not the HCIW
(which damaged his relationship with Brad)
This was a Brad Smith situation all the way through. From the firing of Dan to the hiring of Corny.
All of this was prior to NC State showing interest of course.
Which brought us to last week.
Prior to last week, I think Dan was safe, but the situation most certainly soured for Dan.
Dan had NO CLUE the firing was coming. He was in his office yesterday (Monday) morning carrying on with business as usual.
He had zero intentions of stepping down and very little interest in reshaping the roster (Corny is already on top of that BTW).
Dan was livid.
For the record, I don't believe that Corny knew what was going down until after Dan was made aware that he'd no longer be the HC at Marshall.
As far as the Huggins information goes, there was zero interest from the Marshall side. That was all donors and fans who generated this nonsense.
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Not doubting you, but Keatts made assistant coaches changes at NC State in 2022. He didn't make any changes in 2023. Maybe the timeline is off?
https://www.backingthepack.com/nc-state-basketball/2022/3/22/22990824/kevin-keatts-fires-two-assistant-coaches
Also, I am not sure what the title of "associated head coach" means. Doc was AHC at wvu; NC State and Florida before he was hired by Marshall. Maybe AHC is just a management title for pay scale or compensation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doc_Holliday_(American_football)
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Dan may come across as a nice guy but his actions with many people would not validate that. He has a massive problem dealing with authority. If he doesn't get his way he becomes difficult.
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A friend sent me this following transcript. I have no idea where it came from. She didn't tell me where it came from and I did not ask. She just knew I was a Marshall fan and thought I might like to read it. She said it had been verified. So, I'll pass it along because it certainly sounds plausible.
Last summer, Corny was approached by Kevin Keatts, the coach at NC State, about an assistant position on his staff.
Corny, was obviously interested, but also felt an allegiance to Marshall so he went to Dan and asked for some reassurances.
With how Spears wrote Dan's and Corny's contracts (three individual 1-year contracts) there wasn't much Dan could do other than ask for some revisions.
So he went to Spears and asked him to consider revising the contracts. Spears not being happy with the program said no. Then, Dan asked for Corny to be made the HCIW. Spears turned them down again.
At that point, Dan went directly to Brad (which nuked Dan's and Christian's relationship) and basically repeated himself.
Dan - "We need some reassurances."
Brad - "You have them. You have a 3-year contract."
Dan - "No, we don't."
Brad - "What do you mean?"
Dan - "Christian wrote them as three individual 1-year contracts, not a 3-year contract. Now, NC State is trying to hire Corny away so I want to name him Head Coach In Waiting but I want it in writing"
Brad calls Christian and asks him to come to the office
Brad - "Christian, I want you to write a release stating Corny is our HCIW."
Christian goes back to his office pissed off and writes a release stating Corny is now our associate HC, not the HCIW
(which damaged his relationship with Brad)
This was a Brad Smith situation all the way through. From the firing of Dan to the hiring of Corny.
All of this was prior to NC State showing interest of course.
Which brought us to last week.
Prior to last week, I think Dan was safe, but the situation most certainly soured for Dan.
Dan had NO CLUE the firing was coming. He was in his office yesterday (Monday) morning carrying on with business as usual.
He had zero intentions of stepping down and very little interest in reshaping the roster (Corny is already on top of that BTW).
Dan was livid.
For the record, I don't believe that Corny knew what was going down until after Dan was made aware that he'd no longer be the HC at Marshall.
As far as the Huggins information goes, there was zero interest from the Marshall side. That was all donors and fans who generated this nonsense.
Cornelius Jackson Named Associate Head Coach for Marshall Men's Basketball
7/7/2023 3:00:00 PM | Men's Basketball
https://herdzone.com/news/2023/7/7/mens-basketball-cornelius-jackson-named-associate-head-coach-for-marshall-mens-basketball
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I had heard that Keatts last summer wanted Corny for that 4th assistant coaching position that the NCAA granted all Division 1 teams last summer. That is the same rule that allowed us to hire Caldwell as men's assistant coach.
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Bottom line is CJ has a chance of a lifetime and I expect him to do everything in his power to get the job done. Will it be enough? Time will tell. But I think he will have to show that he is bringing in better talent and putting that talent where it needs to be instead of square pegs in round holes like Danny. Then I think he will need to show he can actually coach some in game day instead of throwing the ball up and watching them play like Danny. If he does then I think he will get a second year also. Personally I think CJ will bring in some solid talent and not be worried about upsetting existing talent on the team. Corny will want the best talent he can bring in and as much of it as he can get. And that part is refreshing to me.
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We will know very quickly about Corny. If he brings in 4 solid transfers that should give us hope. If we don't see anything different immediately we are in trouble. Portal allows for instant gratification.
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I believe CJ will have 6 scholarships to hand out, so he has his work cut out for him. I like to see a true PG among the bunch.
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I had heard that Keatts last summer wanted Corny for that 4th assistant coaching position that the NCAA granted all Division 1 teams last summer. That is the same rule that allowed us to hire Caldwell as men's assistant coach.
I heard the same thing.
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It's been about recruiting or lack thereof all along. There's no room for mistakes in recruiting for a coach in this program now. Saving grace is the double edged sword of the portal .
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The one item in above narrative seems out of sequence.
"Dan was livid."
Was he livid about Corny being announced as ACH instead of HCIW? Or about modifying the terms of the contract or both?
In those cases, the livid moment should've been way before Monday.
Or was Dan livid because he was being asked to reshape the roster or modifying the approach of the program? (I see nothing regarding that in the narrative.) In this case, the livid statement would make sense.
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Corny has his chance with the program. It appears to be a tall order and maybe not in the best of circumstances. I wish him all the best in his efforts, really hope he succeeds and is our coach for years. It does sound like Dan was blindsided. Good or bad, that is now behind us. Best of luck to Corny!! He wasn't that long ago that I believe Chris Duhon was in the same situation.
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Pulling for Corny. Good guy.
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I believe CJ will have 6 scholarships to hand out, so he has his work cut out for him. I like to see a true PG among the bunch.
6 scholarships to give is a fantastic opportunity for Corny to quickly rebuild this program
Obinna, Martin, plus 3 new starters
3 new impact bench players plus Conner and Fricks
Depending on how well Corny recruits and coaches we could have a good team next year
Go Herd!
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The more scholarships available the better chance Corny has to be successful.
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I believe CJ will have 6 scholarships to hand out, so he has his work cut out for him. I like to see a true PG among the bunch.
Corny will have 4 scholarships to give as of now.
Martin
Obinna
Conner
Fricks
Pruett
Nutter
Braun
Moore
Harding
So unless someone leaves he has 4 to give. IMO we need at least 1 really good PG that can really play and maybe 2. We also need a couple athletic shooters. With Martin and Obinna along the front and if they can get Conner to hit the weights hard and move back to the 3 along with a stronger fricks coming off the bench we could be pretty good with some athletic scoring guards.
On another note I'll be shocked if Danny stays around here. I expect him to move south. If he would have went out on his terms I could see him staying and hanging around the program. But since it got ugly, I see him moving on.
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He needs 4 new starters
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Corny will have 4 scholarships to give as of now.
Martin
Obinna
Conner
Fricks
Pruett
Nutter
Braun
Moore
Harding
So unless someone leaves he has 4 to give. IMO we need at least 1 really good PG that can really play and maybe 2. We also need a couple athletic shooters. With Martin and Obinna along the front and if they can get Conner to hit the weights hard and move back to the 3 along with a stronger fricks coming off the bench we could be pretty good with some athletic scoring guards.
On another note I'll be shocked if Danny stays around here. I expect him to move south. If he would have went out on his terms I could see him staying and hanging around the program. But since it got ugly, I see him moving on.
Bust I agree - we definitely need 2 penetrating ball handling PG's - we need a point forward 3 (small forward) and a athletic forward. With that said - ** We need to work A LOT with Fricks, Obinna, and Conners on inside post play with Martin... **That in my opinion is a good nucleus for the 8 needed players. The others Moore, Harding will need to fill in - Nutter, Braun and Pruett should not be part of the core team... Some minutes as needed............If Nutter, Braun or Pruett are anything else, that tells me Corny's hands are tied!! JMO!
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Kelvin Munoz (so) - Delaware State would start here
Point-forward
All MEAC
23 pts @ Texas shooting over 60%
6.7? - physical
Bring Connor off bench
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It does sound like Dan was blindsided.
It's the only way it could have gone aside from him stepping down on his own. If he'd been given notice in advance that this was coming, he would have rallied the troops to raise hell with the ADept and stop it from happening. Once it's done, it has to be accepted. They might be angry but they can't unring the bell and they have to deal with it. Pretty smart, if you ask me.
I think at some point even the staunchest supporters had to have doubts in his ability to coach in the modern era (post portal/NIL). It becomes a very fine line between being right and doing what's best for the program. The hangers on wanted to be right as keeping him was clearly not what was best for the program by any recent metric.
Same thing as Doc. He was not a bad coach for us, but year after year we were able to determine his ceiling and knew that we weren't ever going to get past that. Both had that early success that made it hard to let go for a lot of people.
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Corny will have 4 scholarships to give as of now.
Martin
Obinna
Conner
Fricks
Pruett
Nutter
Braun
Moore
Harding
So unless someone leaves he has 4 to give. IMO we need at least 1 really good PG that can really play and maybe 2. We also need a couple athletic shooters. With Martin and Obinna along the front and if they can get Conner to hit the weights hard and move back to the 3 along with a stronger fricks coming off the bench we could be pretty good with some athletic scoring guards.
On another note I'll be shocked if Danny stays around here. I expect him to move south. If he would have went out on his terms I could see him staying and hanging around the program. But since it got ugly, I see him moving on.
I wouldn't be shcocked if there is a change in the status of Pruett and Braun. Possibly freeing up 2 more schollies.
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I wouldn't be shcocked if there is a change in the status of Pruett and Braun. Possibly freeing up 2 more schollies.
I think Braun is likely but I doubt he pulls the scholarship out from under Pruett since he just got it.
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I think Braun is likely but I doubt he pulls the scholarship out from under Pruett since he just got it.
Or maybe, just maybe he can develop those players into a suitable role where they see the floor and improve even though never going to be a top minute player. At most places you see pt and effectiveness improve over a career. Hard for players to do that when they are never allowed to play or their strengths are never emphasized as they get forced into doing things they shouldn't be asked to do. One can hope.
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I think Braun is likely but I doubt he pulls the scholarship out from under Pruett since he just got it.
I don't know, it sounds like CJ wants to get away from one dimensional players. I've heard Pruett is not going on scholarship now, and Braun will be asked to look elsewhere.
Could all be the rumor mill working, but evidently CJ is already working on getting the roster the way he wants it.
I know you spent a lot time around practices early on. You've mentioned more than once that Dan wouldn't take some of the players that CJ wanted to because it would have created more work for him. Can you expand on that?
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Because of Dan, CJ has some players that aren't D-1 caliber. I want to see how CJ handles the roster going forth.
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If he?s a good recruiter the more scholarships he has the faster we improve. He doesn?t have a lot of time to prove himself. He needs to cut em if can?t contribute!
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I don't know, it sounds like CJ wants to get away from one dimensional players. I've heard Pruett is not going on scholarship now, and Braun will be asked to look elsewhere.
Could all be the rumor mill working, but evidently CJ is already working on getting the roster the way he wants it.
I know you spent a lot time around practices early on. You've mentioned more than once that Dan wouldn't take some of the players that CJ wanted to because it would have created more work for him. Can you expand on that?
Not sure what you mean about creating more work for him. I did say Danny turned down a lot a players brought to him by the staff. Personally I'm not very high on Eric Harding the big kid signed for next year. But those are the kids Danny went for. We need athletes and quickness.
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Not sure what you mean about creating more work for him. I did say Danny turned down a lot a players brought to him by the staff. Personally I'm not very high on Eric Harding the big kid signed for next year. But those are the kids Danny went for. We need athletes and quickness.
Sorry Bust, I must have you mixed up with someone else. I swear I read someone saying that on one of these boards. Something about Dan turning down players because it would have required him to put in a little more work. I wasn't sure if that meant recruiting wise, or he would have had to spend a little more time keeping an eye on them once they got on campus.
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I don't know, it sounds like CJ wants to get away from one dimensional players. I've heard Pruett is not going on scholarship now, and Braun will be asked to look elsewhere.
Could all be the rumor mill working, but evidently CJ is already working on getting the roster the way he wants it.
I know you spent a lot time around practices early on. You've mentioned more than once that Dan wouldn't take some of the players that CJ wanted to because it would have created more work for him. Can you expand on that?
If this is true then I will buy season tickets. I?m not buying tickets if he?s going to continue the DD approach with roster management
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If this is true then I will buy season tickets. I?m not buying tickets if he?s going to continue the DD approach with roster management
I can't imagine any coaches or potential coaches that would follow DDs roster approach.
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If this is true then I will buy season tickets. I?m not buying tickets if he?s going to continue the DD approach with roster management
I'm in the same boat. I'll be watching what Corny does with the roster and who he brings in. I think he will be completely different than Danny. I still can't wrap my brain around what Danny was thinking. He had no clue how to put a roster together. I also think Corny will keep a lot of the offense Danny installed but will also implement a lot of things he learned from Gary Watters and others. And Corny will be working recruiting non stop. It's a new day herdfans!!!!
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Maybe sometime this week there will be a press conference? It would be nice to hear Corny's ideas on how he wants to run the program and an update on recruiting.
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Maybe sometime this week there will be a press conference? It would be nice to hear Corny's ideas on how he wants to run the program and an update on recruiting.
Hard to believe there has not been a press conference already (seems like something is just not right about this)
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Maybe sometime this week there will be a press conference? It would be nice to hear Corny's ideas on how he wants to run the program and an update on recruiting.
Believe I heard they are trying to do it on Wednesday of this week.
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https://x.com/LukeCreasy/status/1774855921409167813?s=20
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I'm in the same boat. I'll be watching what Corny does with the roster and who he brings in. I think he will be completely different than Danny. I still can't wrap my brain around what Danny was thinking. He had no clue how to put a roster together. I also think Corny will keep a lot of the offense Danny installed but will also implement a lot of things he learned from Gary Watters and others. And Corny will be working recruiting non stop. It's a new day herdfans!!!!
I hope you're right. IMO, the offensive side just needs a few tweaks. The defensive side needs a complete overhaul, as does their approach to strength and conditioning. Corny has a tough task ahead of him. Hopefully he has the intestinal fortitude to make the tough decisions needed to move the program forward.
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I hope you're right. IMO, the offensive side just needs a few tweaks. The defensive side needs a complete overhaul, as does their approach to strength and conditioning. Corny has a tough task ahead of him. Hopefully he has the intestinal fortitude to make the tough decisions needed to move the program forward.
Both sides of the court need more than a few tweaks.
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We will know a lot in the next few weeks to next month or two. We will see what kind of guys Corny brings in and we will see which guys (if any) that he tells they are no longer on scholarship here at Marshall.
I?m cautiously optimistic.
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I have been told that he will not tell people that are already in the program to pack their bags.
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I have been told that he will not tell people that are already in the program to pack their bags.
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If true, then he isn't serious about the job and we just screwed ourselves.
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I have been told that he will not tell people that are already in the program to pack their bags.
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If true then I no longer support him as coach. He is just DD 2.0, and we made a mistake in hiring him.
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Bad move on his part if so. Upgrade the entire roster. Nothing going on there. About 35ppg returning
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I have been told that he will not tell people that are already in the program to pack their bags.
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That is 180 of what I've been told.
Heard he's told Pruett he isn't going on scholarship now and told Braun he can stay here, but it won't be on scholarship going forward.
We will see though.
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I like how different ones on this site, say that they have been told this or that. Many times what these same people have heard never, every is actually true and does not work out like you may have heard or even made up.
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That is 180 of what I've been told.
Heard he's told Pruett he isn't going on scholarship now and told Braun he can stay here, but it won't be on scholarship going forward.
We will see though.
Thing is Braun might be 3rd best player on team behind obinna and Martin. What a roster.
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Thing is Braun might be 3rd best player on team behind obinna and Martin. What a roster.
if this isn't sarcasm, i'd remind you who got game minutes in front of him. everybody else down-bench. i recall a flash or two in some of each year's exhibition games, but that was all, zip.
anyway, how the hell was DD so blind with so many players? i mean, i'd understand if every meaningful recruit turned him down at the last minute and he had few choices.
i have to believe that Corny will not squander this amazing opportunity, that is, if he has full control of the roster and scholarships
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I have been told that he will not tell people that are already in the program to pack their bags.
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As Paul Harvey use to say, " And now, the rest of the story":
Seven players have been told they have a scholarship available for next year: Martin, Oak, Connor, Fricks, Nutter, and the two incoming freshman. We are looking at bringing in 4-6 players from the portal/JUCO, but do not want to bring in all one and done. Both Braun/Pruett have been told they are still on the team, but no guarantee a scholarship will be available. That will be determined by how many players we bring in. Both have been encouraged to look at other schools and we will help in anyway possible. In other words we would like to keep them on the team, can't make any promises to playing time/money, but also want to do what is right by the kid.
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A note to (cool hand) Luke Creasy for Corny's press conference: Ask some questions about his plans for the program, recruiting updates and staff development.
Thank you
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You can go the below links and you can view the roster as it stands now for 2024-2025 as compared to the link for 2023-2024 We know the players who no longer have eligibility (4) and the transfers McKey; Crawford; Toussaint and Moe. It doesn't appear that any other players are leaving at this time per the site. Is Thieneman on scholarship? I guess that roster could change?
Also, the opening for an assistant coach is also listed.
https://herdzone.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2024-25
https://herdzone.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2023-24
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As Paul Harvey use to say, " And now, the rest of the story":
Seven players have been told they have a scholarship available for next year: Martin, Oak, Connor, Fricks, Nutter, and the two incoming freshman. We are looking at bringing in 4-6 players from the portal/JUCO, but do not want to bring in all one and done. Both Braun/Pruett have been told they are still on the team, but no guarantee a scholarship will be available. That will be determined by how many players we bring in. Both have been encouraged to look at other schools and we will help in anyway possible. In other words we would like to keep them on the team, can't make any promises to playing time/money, but also want to do what is right by the kid.
I hope this is true, both that CJ is trying to bring in players to beef up the roster and trying to do right by all the kids on the team. They are after all kids -- 18-21 year old kids -- and the most important thing is for them to get a college education. Each of them are doing the best they can. It's not their fault D'Antoni was terrible at building a roster (and I say that as one that liked DD) and picked some of them when their skills are not D1 quality. Being honest with them and letting them choose their path knowing the risks is as fair as possible in this less than optimal situation.
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Grab one and done if they will help us win. Need complete roster overhaul.
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Grab one and done if they will help us win. Need complete roster overhaul.
Knight's post said something like they didn't want ALL one and dones. I read that to mean they were willing to take some one and dones if they looked good and some that would hopefully contribute for more than one year.
I hope that is what they are going to do. They need both to try to produce a major rebuild next year and to build for the future.
Jackson has one hell of a task in front of him. If he succeeds he deserves much more than we are paying him.
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You can go the below links and you can view the roster as it stands now for 2024-2025 as compared to the link for 2023-2024 We know the players who no longer have eligibility (4) and the transfers McKey; Crawford; Toussaint and Moe. It doesn't appear that any other players are leaving at this time per the site. Is Thieneman on scholarship? I guess that roster could change?
Also, the opening for an assistant coach is also listed.
https://herdzone.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2024-25
https://herdzone.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2023-24
I don't see where an opening for an assistant coach is listed in you links (although I would assume a position is open, due the fact that CJ is promoted).
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I don't see where an opening for an assistant coach is listed in you links (although I would assume a position is open, due the fact that CJ is promoted).
It was removed shortly after I posted the information. I forget to edit my post to reflect the change.
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Wonder who we grab as an assistant? I hope it is someone who is a good recruiter.
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Wonder who we grab as an assistant? I hope it is someone who is a good recruiter.
Ryan Taylor is taking Cornys spot. Doesn't sound like Cline is leaving.
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Ryan Taylor is taking Cornys spot. Doesn't sound like Cline is leaving.
the fact he's keeping the exact same staff isn't very encouraging. i mean, he isn't exactly taking over the program a week before the season starts (where keeping staff in tact would be expected). it kinda leads me to think he doesn't have a whole lot of solid contacts. to think that DD, who seems to have restricted his assts to either WV native or MU alum, put together a staff that CJ doesn't believe he can top, is a little concerning.
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the fact he's keeping the exact same staff isn't very encouraging. i mean, he isn't exactly taking over the program a week before the season starts (where keeping staff in tact would be expected). it kinda leads me to think he doesn't have a whole lot of solid contacts. to think that DD, who seems to have restricted his assts to either WV native or MU alum, put together a staff that CJ doesn't believe he can top, is a little concerning.
Maybe Corny felt comfortable with maintaining the existing staff? The whole changeover seems to be strange with retaining the existing players and staff and the high school recruits (one of the high school recruits looks like a typical Dan recruiting project). Putting on my tin foil hat (conspiracy) it certainly looks like DD called the shots on the entire situation?
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If he thinks he can win with the current staff so be it. It's on him now to make it work. His clock has started and I wish him the best.
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