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The place to talk Marshall University sports! => HerdFans => Topic started by: herdorbust on October 21, 2017, 08:05:42 PM
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69-17 with the 4th quarter left. They have 408 yds rushing and 357 passing after 3 quarters? Almost 800 yds in 3 quarters against the top team in the west? I thought Kiffin would make them better but not this fast. I'm speechless at what they are doing the last few weeks.
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69-17 with the 4th quarter left. They have 408 yds rushing and 357 passing after 3 quarters? Almost 800 yds in 3 quarters against the top team in the west? I thought Kiffin would make them better but not this fast. I'm speechless at what they are doing the last few weeks.
I can't say it enough. Coaching alone is far more important in college football than having star players, as long as you have serviceable talent. For the vast majority of college athletes at that level, there is not a lot of difference talent or ability wise. Its about coaching. Putting them in the best place to be successful, attacking opponents weaknesses, while playing to your strengths.
Given talent that is in the same ball park as an opponent, coaching wins the majority of those games, and even some when the talent gap is immense.
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Listening to those announcers make it hard to watch though lol. I hope we have better for our game. The old guy's bias for FAU shows every time he breathes and the young guy guys voice is almost as bad as this girls....
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My preseason L pick to FAU was just a hunch. But that we would still win the East & Conference. Now, that scenario doesn't seem possible, and was not really likely anyhow.
But it could still happen - I could see a 3-way tie between MU, FAU, and WKU sharing the East with 1 loss a piece. With MU winning the East on tiebreaks, if we hold serve against the rest of the East and the West. Not an easy task by any means. We have to pull for WKU next week, ugh.
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It's gonna be fun watching our D against their O. Which will win out? Must see for sure. But it seems like their offense is getting better by leaps and bounds every week. This will be one fun game to watch and the kind of opponent I have been longing for. I can't wait.
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We can beat them. My worry is the weather.
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I could see a 3-way tie between MU, FAU, and WKU sharing the East with 1 loss a piece.
Not mathematically possible. WKU lost to La Tech, and there’s still al three games left between FAU, WKU, and Marshall, so the most 1-loss teams possible are two.
FAU plays at WKU next week. If WKU loses, they will be de facto eliminated.
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We can beat them. My worry is the weather.
I agree we can. This is the same team that lost to Buffalo and only beat MTSU by 18. Gave up 28 points to Old Dominion. Today they had over 400 yards rushing. They will not get anywhere closer to that. I worry more about the game being on Friday night on national tv and they being a little crazy. However I think the environment will be great for our guys as they thrive in a stadium more crowded tHan a HS game. It should be a fun game but first we must take care of FIU.
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I agree we can. This is the same team that lost to Buffalo and only beat MTSU by 18. Gave up 28 points to Old Dominion. Today they had over 400 yards rushing. They will not get anywhere closer to that. I worry more about the game being on Friday night on national tv and they being a little crazy. However I think the environment will be great for our guys as they thrive in a stadium more crowded tHan a HS game. It should be a fun game but first we must take care of FIU.
Uh, they are not the same team that played buffalo. They have rushed for 900 yds the last 2 weeks. Nine hundred!!!! And 3 weekscago rushed for almost 300.so they have avg 400 yds the last 3 weeks rushing. And they threw for 357 tonight also. They are coming on fast offensively.
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We have the best D they will see all year. We have the fastest D they will see all year. I like us vs them
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I can't say it enough. Coaching alone is far more important in college football than having star players, as long as you have serviceable talent. For the vast majority of college athletes at that level, there is not a lot of difference talent or ability wise. Its about coaching. Putting them in the best place to be successful, attacking opponents weaknesses, while playing to your strengths.
Given talent that is in the same ball park as an opponent, coaching wins the majority of those games, and even some when the talent gap is immense.
No it is not!!! but it can make a huge difference in the first year.........Attitude and Motivation (coupled with confidence) can do sooooo much, but it doesn't last with out players
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We have the best D they will see all year. We have the fastest D they will see all year. I like us vs them
Yeah our D is better than Wisconsin :-\
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One thing is for sure. We will know how good our D is after this game. I know we have a good D. But i am not convinced we have a great D. We just havent had a chance to play anyone good except nc st and they scored 37. We will know in 2 weeks.
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Uh, they are not the same team that played buffalo. They have rushed for 900 yds the last 2 weeks. Nine hundred!!!! And 3 weekscago rushed for almost 300.so they have avg 400 yds the last 3 weeks rushing. And they threw for 357 tonight also. They are coming on fast offensively.
So. We are not the same team as the Charlotte game. They still gave up 31 points today. And they beat MTSU by 18 in Florida. Will it be a tough game? Sure but it isn’t like they are Alabama. Our guys will be focused and ready but I want them worried about FIU first.
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One thing is for sure. We will know how good our D is after this game. I know we have a good D. But i am not convinced we have a great D. We just havent had a chance to play anyone good except nc st and they scored 37. We will know in 2 weeks.
Is FAU's offense better than NC State's? I don't think so, so I doubt they put up more than 37 points.
My concern is that Doc and Legg seem to be constitutionally incapable of coaching the team into scoring more than 40 points in a ball game, and they may have to do that here.
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Impressive numbers, but I'm still not scared of them. I know North Texas was getting pumped up, but who have they even beat to deserve it. Who has anyone in this league beat? Go look at the schedules, not.a single team has beat anyone worth noting (including us). Rather than FAU being awesome, it is more likely North Texas is not very good. The majority of this conference is not good. In the end we might find out that one or two of us is good, but who knows now. I'm not saying we won't blow a game, but we should win out.
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Yeah our D is better than Wisconsin :-\
They are ranked 6 in total D we are ranked 22nd. They played one team in the top 50 in total O. FAU at 48. We played NC State at 24. Scoring D they are 5 we are 8. Rushing D they are 4 we are 19.
Before I hear competition.. they played Maryland on their 3rd string QB. Purdue just lost to Rutgers, who knows what Northwestern is. I know Wisconsin is Wisconsin by name but statistically we match up well. Don’t know a ton on their personnel but I know we play a ton of different players at all three levels. When it comes to stopping the run we will be fine.
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Uh, they are not the same team that played buffalo. They have rushed for 900 yds the last 2 weeks. Nine hundred!!!! And 3 weekscago rushed for almost 300.so they have avg 400 yds the last 3 weeks rushing. And they threw for 357 tonight also. They are coming on fast offensively.
So OFFENSE is the only thing, herdorbust? Let's look at college basketball, for example. Both Ohio State and Pittsburgh displayed a SHITLOAD of offense, and scored a ton of points, against the Herd last season, and both those teams were CRAP!!!
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Impressive numbers, but I'm still not scared of them. I know North Texas was getting pumped up, but who have they even beat to deserve it. Who has anyone in this league beat? Go look at the schedules, not.a single team has beat anyone worth noting (including us). Rather than FAU being awesome, it is more likely North Texas is not very good. The majority of this conference is not good. In the end we might find out that one or two of us is good, but who knows now. I'm not saying we won't blow a game, but we should win out.
Prior to this week's game, North Texas was giving up 32 points a game, with a season low of 14 surrendered to Lamar. FAU was the third team to score over 40 points against them this year.
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No it is not!!! but it can make a huge difference in the first year.........Attitude and Motivation (coupled with confidence) can do sooooo much, but it doesn't last with out players
They returned 18 starters including a jr QB...its why he took the job
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Going into yesterday's game the announcers were saying they needed to work on their passing game. If they have to rely on the run I certainly like our chances. The hurry up is tougher to defend and one reason is it tires teams out, but our depth of quality players makes that much less of an issue. It is always dangerous to look at a teams best performance and judge an entire season on it, I like Heater and our chances.
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I agree we can. This is the same team that lost to Buffalo and only beat MTSU by 18. Gave up 28 points to Old Dominion. Today they had over 400 yards rushing. They will not get anywhere closer to that. I worry more about the game being on Friday night on national tv and they being a little crazy. However I think the environment will be great for our guys as they thrive in a stadium more crowded tHan a HS game. It should be a fun game but first we must take care of FIU.
Will it be more crowded than a high school game though?
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Prior to this week's game, North Texas was giving up 32 points a game, with a season low of 14 surrendered to Lamar. FAU was the third team to score over 40 points against them this year.
That is very telling and kind of puts things into perspective a bit. Not taking anything away from FAU's offense, scoring that many points on anyone is impressive.
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Will it be more crowded than a high school game though?
This is usually a home game for us in terms of fans in the stadium. I'm hoping this is the same way, but this is also the first time there has been excitement there in a while. I'm sure they will pump this game up with promotions and such. Plus we might be ranked by then.
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We have a great defense. If we are healthy and the offense shows up we win. If Doc & Legg revert to old habits of game management and play calling we lose.
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They are ranked 6 in total D we are ranked 22nd. They played one team in the top 50 in total O. FAU at 48. We played NC State at 24. Scoring D they are 5 we are 8. Rushing D they are 4 we are 19.
Before I hear competition.. they played Maryland on their 3rd string QB. Purdue just lost to Rutgers, who knows what Northwestern is. I know Wisconsin is Wisconsin by name but statistically we match up well. Don’t know a ton on their personnel but I know we play a ton of different players at all three levels. When it comes to stopping the run we will be fine.
You can’t be serious....I agree our D is playing well. But comparing our success to that of Wisconsin, based solely on statistics, is delusional. We haven’t beaten a team with a pulse yet. We haven’t beaten a team with a QB with a pulse yet. Hell, the Miami kid (Ragland) was the best of the bunch. It doesn’t take much to get some of you guys overly optimistic. If we played an AAC schedule and faced decent D1 talent (not SEC or Big 10) we’d probably be 4-3 or 3-4 right now. And I’d be ok with that based on a tougher level of play. We are beating the worst of the worst, and in some cases we’ve had to wait until the 4th QTR to put them away. I do agree our Defense is playing great. But I will reserve anointing them better than Wisconsin until after we’ve beat a team worth a sh**.
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No it is not!!! but it can make a huge difference in the first year.........Attitude and Motivation (coupled with confidence) can do sooooo much, but it doesn't last with out players
Kiffin
Saban
Meyer
Harbaugh
Petersen (boise to making washington relevant immediately)
Brohm
Sweeney
All examples of elite coaching turning around programs immediately
It amazes me how little people recognize the impact of coaching
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Herd1990 who would you consider Wisconsin playing so far that is a world beater? They’ve played Big 10 but you got what, a Nebraska team who lost at home to NIU. Maryland who doesn’t have a QB. Purdue who has fell off the tracks. They also had tough contests against a bad BYU and Utah State teams. Yes their strength of schedule has been tougher coming in at 60 to our 100 but it’s not like they are playing the best of the best.
Here’s why I’m optomistic. I realize we dominated NC State till we ran out of gas in the second then picked us apart.. I realize we ran out of gas because Hames and Harris were both in Huntington. Young was in Huntington as well. Malik Thompson has started playing more to give more depth and Ty Tyler has gotten better as the years gone on. Even with the depth issue we had a chance until fumbling at our own 23 in the 4th. We have a deep DL. Can rotate 6 LBs with ease and secondary we have 3 CBs. Safety we can go two deep even with Gant leaving. So the one true team we played we simply ran out of steam. Now we have depth to keep providing steam. Don’t discredit what they are doing because our names not Wisconsin and we aren’t playing below average to middle of the road Big 10 schools.
Also not the Ds job to pull away. Just make sure the other team doesn’t score. Can’t blame them for not putting people away.
And GoHerd24 Kiffen ruined Tennessee and got fired on a tarmac at USC. This O is Briles. Not Lane.
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Herd1990 who would you consider Wisconsin playing so far that is a world beater? They’ve played Big 10 but you got what, a Nebraska team who lost at home to NIU. Maryland who doesn’t have a QB. Purdue who has fell off the tracks. They also had tough contests against a bad BYU and Utah State teams. Yes their strength of schedule has been tougher coming in at 60 to our 100 but it’s not like they are playing the best of the best.
Here’s why I’m optomistic. I realize we dominated NC State till we ran out of gas in the second then picked us apart.. I realize we ran out of gas because Hames and Harris were both in Huntington. Young was in Huntington as well. Malik Thompson has started playing more to give more depth and Ty Tyler has gotten better as the years gone on. Even with the depth issue we had a chance until fumbling at our own 23 in the 4th. We have a deep DL. Can rotate 6 LBs with ease and secondary we have 3 CBs. Safety we can go two deep even with Gant leaving. So the one true team we played we simply ran out of steam. Now we have depth to keep providing steam. Don’t discredit what they are doing because our names not Wisconsin and we aren’t playing below average to middle of the road Big 10 schools.
Also not the Ds job to pull away. Just make sure the other team doesn’t score. Can’t blame them for not putting people away.
And GoHerd24 Kiffen ruined Tennessee and got fired on a tarmac at USC. This O is Briles. Not Lane.
Scottyo, I have said I think our D has had a great year. And I don’t think Wisconsin has played a killer schedule. But Maryland, Nebraska, Purdue and Northwestern are light years ahead of Charlotte, Kent, Miami Oh and Old Dominion. Wisconsin also typically has one of the best defenses in the country and last year we beat 2 Division 1 teams. There are many arguments to be made for and against our team this year. I, for one, am happy to be excited for Saturdays again. But saying our D is equal to or better than Wisconsin really diminishes your credibility. Let’s just be happy we appear to have the best D in the conference. I’m just not sure they are the 85 Chicago Bears just yet.
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Kiffin
Saban
Meyer
Harbaugh
Petersen (boise to making washington relevant immediately)
Brohm
Sweeney
All examples of elite coaching turning around programs immediately
It amazes me how little people recognize the impact of coaching
Kiffin an elite coach? He is barely over .500 as a head coach. FAU has beat nobody and lost to Buffalo this season. Don't crown him anything just yet. CUSA is bad.
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No use in arguing about it one way or another. We are going to find out in 2 weeks if Marshall can shut down FAU's offense.
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Herd1990 to get some of that credibility back, the only reason I’d suggest it is depth. What separates P5, G5 and FCS os all depth. We have a second team that doesn’t miss a beat and is interchangeable. We shall see. I’m not saying we totally slow them down. I do think we keep them around 21 points. O just has to click
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We can beat them. My worry is the weather.
There is no doubt we can beat them. The question is will we, with Doc and Legg playing uptight in certain situations. You have to open it up and be creative the entire game, not just parts of it. I for one am looking forward to this game. Usually we play teams that couldn't score against Spring Valley High School. This will be a much better test and something to get the fans blood flowing a bit.
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There is no doubt we can beat them. The question is will we, with Doc and Legg playing uptight in certain situations. You have to open it up and be creative the entire game, not just parts of it. I for one am looking forward to this game. Usually we play teams that couldn't score against Spring Valley High School. This will be a much better test and something to get the fans blood flowing a bit.
I watched the NoTex/FAU highlights and it wasn't as impressive as the final score.....although FAU probably called the dogs off with 12 to go in the 4th. We can beat them down there if (1) Doc continues to get the team up for big away games, (2) The defense stays strong, (3) Legg mixes it up on offense and quits being predictable in his play calling, (4) Doc does not go into conservative mode when the game is not iced yet.
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You can’t be serious....I agree our D is playing well. But comparing our success to that of Wisconsin, based solely on statistics, is delusional. We haven’t beaten a team with a pulse yet. We haven’t beaten a team with a QB with a pulse yet. Hell, the Miami kid (Ragland) was the best of the bunch. It doesn’t take much to get some of you guys overly optimistic. If we played an AAC schedule and faced decent D1 talent (not SEC or Big 10) we’d probably be 4-3 or 3-4 right now. And I’d be ok with that based on a tougher level of play. We are beating the worst of the worst, and in some cases we’ve had to wait until the 4th QTR to put them away. I do agree our Defense is playing great. But I will reserve anointing them better than Wisconsin until after we’ve beat a team worth a sh**.
Nobody says they are better than Wisconsin. He's just saying there is evidence that we are comparable in many areas. And Wisconsin won. Do we know that FAU is really any better on offense? No. They haven't played the meat of their conference schedule, either. And they've lost to anyone with a pulse this year already, except UNT. I think CUSA West were all pretenders who had marginal success OOC and assumed they were all good. In actuality they beat no one of note, either. All their hype came from their games against each other. Charlotte just beat UAB, who gave UNT, the west's best, all they wanted and nearly won. They don't pass the smell test. They have close losses to Kentucky and South Carolina and beat Baylor who is 0 and infinity. And all of them have an FCS school as one of their wins, except us.
FAU and Charlotte exposed the west for what it was. A weak circle jerk of teams patting each other on the back and proclaiming their excellence. Charlotte hasn't touched an east team and FAU hasn't played WKU, Marshall, or their rival FIU. Middle put 20 on them and ODU put 28 on them. They got nowhere near that on us.
I agree it's dangerous doing comparisons for different games like that, but it's all we have. We were 10 points better against Middle than FAU at Middle. FAU had them at home. We both put 38 on them. The difference was defense. I think UNT is just that bad or at least played that badly for that game. They only put 19 on Navy. You gonna say that our defense is nowhere near as good as Navy's, too? I don't buy that for a moment.
We may very well lose this game. But it will be because of us and not because FAU is some unbeatable juggernaut. To think that they've somehow improved in a vacuum, while the rest of us have just stood still is way harder to believe than UNT and the west are severely overrated.
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Nobody says they are better than Wisconsin. He's just saying there is evidence that we are comparable in many areas. And Wisconsin won. Do we know that FAU is really any better on offense? No. They haven't played the meat of their conference schedule, either. And they've lost to anyone with a pulse this year already, except UNT. I think CUSA West were all pretenders who had marginal success OOC and assumed they were all good. In actuality they beat no one of note, either. All their hype came from their games against each other. Charlotte just beat UAB, who gave UNT, the west's best, all they wanted and nearly won. They don't pass the smell test. They have close losses to Kentucky and South Carolina and beat Baylor who is 0 and infinity. And all of them have an FCS school as one of their wins, except us.
FAU and Charlotte exposed the west for what it was. A weak circle jerk of teams patting each other on the back and proclaiming their excellence. Charlotte hasn't touched an east team and FAU hasn't played WKU, Marshall, or their rival FIU. Middle put 20 on them and ODU put 28 on them. They got nowhere near that on us.
I agree it's dangerous doing comparisons for different games like that, but it's all we have. We were 10 points better against Middle than FAU at Middle. FAU had them at home. We both put 38 on them. The difference was defense. I think UNT is just that bad or at least played that badly for that game. They only put 19 on Navy. You gonna say that our defense is nowhere near as good as Navy's, too? I don't buy that for a moment.
We may very well lose this game. But it will be because of us and not because FAU is some unbeatable juggernaut. To think that they've somehow improved in a vacuum, while the rest of us have just stood still is way harder to believe than UNT and the west are severely overrated.
I watched the game. FAU is athletic and they do have some really good players. They are a team at their place, especially, that will be a tough out for us. Probably our toughest of the year. But, UNT quit. That game and that score says a lot more about the Mean Green than it does the Owls.
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I watched the game. FAU is athletic and have some really good players. They are a team at their place, especially, that will be a tough out for us. Probably oir toughest of the year. But, UNT quit. That game and that score say a lot more about the Mean Green than it does thr Owls.
Thanks for saying in one little paragraph what it took me a page to try and say :)