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The place to talk Marshall University sports! => HerdFans => Topic started by: wasbarryb on November 16, 2017, 07:27:29 PM
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About time someone starts one.
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Lot of empty seats.
Lot of green in the small crowd there.
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35-33 Herd lead 3:51 to go in the 1st half Paneva at the line shooting 2,
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Elmore just hooked up with Janson on a beautiful oop. Same play he used to hit Browning on.
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I think that's a neat place to watch a ballgame .
Sounds like a good game so far .
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44-39 Herd at the Half. Elmore has 13 pts and 7 assists. But, is still struggling to hit jump shots (hasn't made one tonight that I've seen but I missed the first couple of minutes.) Paneva joins Jon in double figures with 10 pts to go along with 4 rebounds and a couple of blocked shots.
Burks 0 points. Dani Kolijnain (sp?) has stepped up tonight he has 9 at the break.
The Eagles have doubled us up so far on the boards 28-13 and 13-2 on the offensive end. A big part of why they are still in the game.
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Got to give it to Morehead and the Ohio Valley Conference at least we're able to watch a game without being "taxed" by our very own, are you reading this Mike Hamrick?, lol.. :D.. On a side note, we're very very weak inside, that's going to cause problems down the road. The good news is DD can coach up the players and they can get better as the season goes on.
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On a side note, we're very very weak inside, that's going to cause problems down the road. The good news is DD can coach up the players and they can get better as the season goes on.
True, but I think we're better than last year at this point. I think we're going to be better after this "new" team jells.
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If we rebound in 2nd half we win.
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The officiated down there every time so obviously homer and so bad in that direction I'd refuse to go back.
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Man they are getting some home cooking. At least 4 terrible calls in second half early when we started to get some separation
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True, but I think we're better than last year at this point. I think we're going to be better after this "new" team jells.
I like our guard play potential, but I don't know if our inside game won't get exposed once we get into conference play. Last year, we had Taylor we could put down low and he'd give us some resemblance of a competitive inside game. Morehead is winning the boards tonight.
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Burks and Elmore a combined 5-19 isn't helping
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No inside game. If Elmore isn't on, we are screwed.
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No inside game. If Elmore isn't on, we are screwed.
Elmore is having to many turnovers. We need to step up our game..
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Why do we not send at least one person to the help rebound our missed foul shots? I saw at least two misses we could have rebounded if we had one person in position.
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If we lose, would have to say rebounding was the difference
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Elmore is having to many turnovers. We need to step up our game..
8 assists right now for Elmore.. 5 TOs. In the 1st half he had 7 assists and 1 TO
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Down 4 and Elmore launches one from the logo while bringing the ball down the floor?
We have to be smarter than this. That shot is fine at other points of the game, but not at that moment. At that moment it was a terrible shot selection.
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Why do we not send at least one person to the help rebound our missed foul shots? I saw at least two misses we could have rebounded if we had one person in position.
I think its because the guys that were in were in foul trouble? Chance for over the back call.
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Refs are terrible.
Blocking call on Elmore. Terrible call, but thats 4 on Elmore.
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We don't deserve to win this game.
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Bad loss for basketball team. Got very sloppy and cold for the last 5 minutes. Looked tired to me as well. Team can not rebound. Morehead state beat then on the offensive glass.
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Not playing well, Refers not helping.....
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We're not going to win many games with our leaders having this many turnovers and not making free throws. Morehead has a double edge over us in the rebounding dept.
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I just over heard someone from Morehead States press box yelling out to DD to go back to the coaches box and shut up..WOW!
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Can't blame this on the refs. We had plenty of opportunities and didn't make the most of them. This is a very average basketball team, just like I thought it would be. We are looking at a .500 type season. Just stick with them though because what we are missing should be here next year.
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I had this as a win but I guess I was wrong . Elmore had an off game but we cant rely on just him all season. Peneva is going to have to get some toughness about him , a trait European players are known for not having . Our lack of an inside game is going to haunt us all year long.
Our first loss of the season but I think we should/could have won , easily .
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Yeah this one sucks because we should have won. I have faith in DD and this is a young team.
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Cook and Bennett will be huge upgrades inside. It sucks that it won't be until next year.
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that hurt.
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Xavier beat Morehead - 101-49 ???
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well damn.
at least the pressure of going unbeaten is off.
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Feels like we'll never get over the hump.
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Feels like we'll never get over the hump.
I feel better about the BB future than I do football right now.
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Elmore off, CJ off, homer refs, no presence inside, no rebounding and still a shot to win. You won't see nights like that out of both CJ and Jon on the same night very often but still should have had this. Have to have more production from the bench.
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Shouldn’t have lost this one. I love coach and the team, but this one is tough. Poor interior defense and too many turnovers. I just want to see Penava dunk the basketball once. He’s improved tremendously...just needs to get tougher. We will get better, but we can’t lose to Morehead. Thankful it’s a long season.
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I just over heard someone from Morehead States press box yelling out to DD to go back to the coaches box and shut up..WOW!
I heard that too. Most unprofessional announcer I've ever heard. It was the "color guy" not the pxp guy.
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I heard that too. Most unprofessional announcer I've ever heard. It was the "color guy" not the pxp guy.
Yeah, I think it was the color guy too. That was awful
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I just over heard someone from Morehead States press box yelling out to DD to go back to the coaches box and shut up..WOW!
It was the color commentator.
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We're not going to win many games with our leaders having this many turnovers and not making free throws. Morehead has a double edge over us in the rebounding dept.
We only had 11 TOs as a team (6 from Elmore in what may have been one of the worst games he's played here). But, the problem was we couldn't throw it in the ocean tonight and we we got killed on the boards. We got 22 stops that they got second chances on, compared to 5. Can't win when you get hammered on the boards like that unless you're shooting lights out and we didn't shoot lights out.
Another big play was when we were down 3 very late in the game, West got a steal and made a nice pass to a trailing Paneva and Paneva got the HELL blocked out of him. That was the ball game right there. We were forced to foul and they went up 5 and there just wasn't enough time to make up 2 possessions.
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I'll always be in Danny's corner but anyone who thinks this team is equipped for major college basketball is in for a serious letdown.
5 Offensive boards is horrific and for a team that is supposed to be quick, our ball movement and trapping on D is a big disappointment.
Gotta be a couple of football players who would like to come over in the second semester and provide some toughness underneath.
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50-23, or was it 27, rebounding advantage for MSU!! PATHETIC!!
Why in the hell should Penava even try 1 3 point shot when he can't make free throws? Game could have been won at the line if he shot better than 50 per cent. Needs to spend practice time shooting free throws, NOT 3 pointers.
Are we going to redshirt George? Don't believe he ever got in, did he?
We have some very limited front court or "big" guard talent, IMO. Bledsoe, Koljanin, Thienemann, Williams, are at best spot or role players right now. Its going to be a LONG season if can't even get half the production out of them, pts, boards, D, etc., that we got from Ryan Taylor last year.
Not only Penava, but Milan, at 6'9", 250+, got at least one "bunny" lay-up blocked tonight. Our bigs have NO HOPS, lack physicality, etc. Unless that changes as season progresses, we are going to get hammered inside in a lot of games.
The "next year" chant is getting old, no matter what damn sport we're talking about!!!
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Yeah, I think it was the color guy too. That was awful
Doesn't surprise me at all. Several years back when Herrion was here we played them at their place and I witnessed their tv camera guy leaning on the basketball post throwing his weight into it shaking the backboard as our guys shot free throws in overtime. And of course we ended up losing that game.
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50-23, or was it 27, rebounding advantage for MSU!! PATHETIC!!
Why in the hell should Penava even try 1 3 point shot when he can't make free throws? Game could have been won at the line if he shot better than 50 per cent. Needs to spend practice time shooting free throws, NOT 3 pointers.
Are we going to redshirt George? Don't believe he ever got in, did he?
We have some very limited front court or "big" guard talent, IMO. Bledsoe, Koljanin, Thienemann, Williams, are at best spot or role players right now. Its going to be a LONG season if can't even get half the production out of them, pts, boards, D, etc., that we got from Ryan Taylor last year.
Not only Penava, but Milan, at 6'9", 250+, got at least one "bunny" lay-up blocked tonight. Our bigs have NO HOPS, lack physicality, etc. Unless that changes as season progresses, we are going to get hammered inside in a lot of games.
The "next year" chant is getting old, no matter what damn sport we're talking about!!!
You do realize Peneva was 4-5 from three going into tonight and went 2-4 tonight?
I agree on FT. We missed too many FT and easy shots our offense didn’t move very well it seemed. Officiating in the second half was horrible especially seeing in person but when you are out rebounded by that many you don’t deserve to win. We really need a big and that is coming. Tweak the offens for them and it will be good. Morehead’s tallest player was 6-7. We played too soft.
This team will get better as the season goes along and should be fun. I may never go to Morehead game there again. I can’t remember the last time I saw a Herd victory there.
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If the color guy did that , Id get his ass in trouble somehow. Im sure there is some kind of "rules" they have to abide by , turn his butt in. I dont care what team he was for , be professional .
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If the color guy did that , Id get his ass in trouble somehow. Im sure there is some kind of "rules" they have to abide by , turn his butt in. I dont care what team he was for , be professional .
It's Morehead State. Come to expect it from them. They're about as bush league as they come. Really surprised we still make that trip down there every other year. If we are wanting to play a close game every other year with someone why not schedule a Miami Ohio, Northern Kentucky etc?
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It's Morehead State. Come to expect it from them. They're about as bush league as they come. Really surprised we still make that trip down there every other year. If we are wanting to play a close game every other year with someone why not schedule a Miami Ohio, Northern Kentucky etc?
Nice history with Morehead. No need to end playing them, but really......no excuse at this point in DD not being able to beat them.
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First, let me say I was not able to go to the game. So, what I am typing is going to be what I heard Steve and Charlie saying on the radio. At the beginning of the year, I told a few people that Peneva and Milan need to get a mean streak in them or we would not be able to handle the underneath play. So far, I have not seen that. Even Charlie Hagley on the broadcast last night said that Peneva was playing soft. I heard more than once that a player from Morehead took a rebound away from him. That can't happen at home or on the road. Illinois is going to be tough. They are very physical and, from what I have seen in three games, our team cannot handle physical play. I have not lost faith in this team and will be there at the next home game against NC Central. But, we need to get tough physically and it needs to start quickly if there is going to be any success this year.
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We only had 11 TOs as a team (6 from Elmore in what may have been one of the worst games he's played here). But, the problem was we couldn't throw it in the ocean tonight and we we got killed on the boards. We got 22 stops that they got second chances on, compared to 5. Can't win when you get hammered on the boards like that unless you're shooting lights out and we didn't shoot lights out.
Another big play was when we were down 3 very late in the game, West got a steal and made a nice pass to a trailing Paneva and Paneva got the HELL blocked out of him. That was the ball game right there. We were forced to foul and they went up 5 and there just wasn't enough time to make up 2 possessions.
Thats on West. He should have made the layup or drawn the foul. He's just a true FR though.
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Thats on West. He should have made the layup or drawn the foul. He's just a true FR though.
I disagree. That pass there in a 2 on 1 is the right play. Should have been a dunk instead Paneva gets blocked because he's weak as a kitten. The kid has gotten so much better and in many respects he played a great game. 21 poonts, 10 rebounds and 6 blocked shots. But, while his skill has gotten better his toughnessand physicality still has a long way to go.
Gonna be a long year folks. In my opinion DD has next year to do something. If we don't make significant strides next year with Bennett and Cook in the fold it might be time to consider the DD project done.
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I disagree. That pass there in a 2 on 1 is the right play. Should have been a dunk instead Paneva gets blocked because he's weak as a kitten. The kid has gotten so much better and in many respects he played a great game. 21 poonts, 10 rebounds and 6 blocked shots. But, while his skill has gotten better his toughnessand physicality still has a long way to go.
Gonna be a long year folks. In my opinion DD has next year to do something. If we don't make significant strides next year with Bennett and Cook in the fold it might be time to consider the DD project done.
Not for me. Marshall basketball has historically been mediocre at best. At least we are fun to watch and playing with local kids.
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DD project done ? 11-21 , 17-16 and 20-15 are his last three seasons which to me , shows improvement every season , making it to the conference championship game last year . Throw in the fact that so far , none of his players havent embarassed the university , I think hes doing mighty fine , tickled to death hes here .
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DD project done ? 11-21 , 17-16 and 20-15 are his last three seasons which to me , shows improvement every season , making it to the conference championship game last year . Throw in the fact that so far , none of his players havent embarassed the university , I think hes doing mighty fine , tickled to death hes here .
I gave you a +1 on that post.
Throw in the losses due to graduation and the unexpected transfer, this is truly a rebuilding year for him.
I know I'm about to sound like a Doc apologist, but next year is the real test. We should be very very good next year, and I'm far from giving up on this year. History is on DD's side. Every year he has started out slow and built a better end of the season result than most expected.
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I disagree. That pass there in a 2 on 1 is the right play. Should have been a dunk instead Paneva gets blocked because he's weak as a kitten. The kid has gotten so much better and in many respects he played a great game. 21 poonts, 10 rebounds and 6 blocked shots. But, while his skill has gotten better his toughnessand physicality still has a long way to go.
Gonna be a long year folks. In my opinion DD has next year to do something. If we don't make significant strides next year with Bennett and Cook in the fold it might be time to consider the DD project done.
Oh please!!!!
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DD has improved every year and I think anyone will admit that we got caught without that 1 big that could make this team really go. That is why I said before the year ever started that next year would be the year we really make noise. Just look at Peneva and how he is playing now. Yes he is still a little weak, but GEEZEE, after 3 games he is avg something like 19 pts and 9 rebs a game. 21-10-6 last night. And how good do you think he will be next year? How good will Williams be next year and he is a lot like Peneva. How good will a year do for Koljanin? Then add Bennett and Cook. And we still haven't got Watson in there. I'm as disappointed as anyone about last night and we should have never lost that game. But this year we will probably take a step back from last year and then again maybe not once some of these kids get experience. I remember 2 years ago at Morehead was the worst game I had ever watched a Marshall basketball team play EVER!!!! And then they turned it around late in the year. This team is light years ahead of that team. Again I am mad as heck, but i'm going to look thru the trees and see the forrest.
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Oh please!!!!
I didn't say it was done now, I said if next year when he should have every conceivable piece needed and we still do not get over the hump then maybe we need to talk anout it. We don't need to talk about it now is what I was saying. Next year if things turn out poorly the conversation is justified because next year there should be no reason for us not to make significant strides.. But this year everyone should have known this team was missing too much to not have it's struggles.
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I didn't say it was done now, I said if next year when he should have every conceivable piece needed and we still do not get over the hump then maybe we need to talk anout it. We don't need to talk about it now is what I was saying. Next year if things turn out poorly the conversation is justified because next year there should be no reason for us not to make significant strides.. But this year everyone should have known this team was missing too much to not have it's struggles.
What is over the hump? What if we go 25-5 and lose in the finals of CUSA tournament? Is that not getting over the hump? Should he then be fired for a 25-6 record? I'll guarantee I am as angry or more angry than any Marshall fan out there about last night. But i'm not angry at the big picture. Just that game. I know for a FACT DD will make this team better and better as the year goes on. And I also know that next year will be a tremendous year. I knew we had a big weakness with the set up of the inside game this year. I was hoping some miracle would happen and they would come out of the gate with a more physical game (although I knew it couldn't happen that quick). You have got to look at the players and the class structure and understand what next year looks like. Remember I was the one that said Peneva was going to be a hell of a player while virtually everyone had wrote him of early last year and his freshman year. Look at where he has progressed to now, with this year and next year left. How good do you think he will be next year with another 20 lbs and another year under his belt? Williams and Koljanin will take huge steps from this year going into next year. Then you add Bennet and Cook. And Watson will help this team a bunch, giving you that 4th guard and he is the biggest of the bunch. The front line will look totally different next year SIZE, Strength and experience. But mark it down, Williams, Koljanin, Peneva will all look MUCH better by the end of this year. But i'm still pi$$ed about last night ;D
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Over the hump is into one of the two post season tourneys that matter. 25-6 with a CUSA tourney championship appearance should get us at least an NIT bid, which would be over the hump. All I'm saying is with Paneva, Elmore, Burks and more experienced versions of guys like West and Williams we have no excuse not to be in one of the major post season tourneys next season when you add Bennett, Cook and some of the other pieces to the fold. If it doesn't happen next year, in year 5 with senior guards the questions some folks are asking of DD now will be justified. But, this year is a building year, and I think DD has earned for us to stow those questions away until after next season. But, after next year if we are watching while others are playing in the 2nd week of March then it is time to unpack those questions and ask them earnestly. That's all I was saying.
I know how tremendous next year should be. That's why I am saying if we fall short of a great year next year then it is fair to ask questions.
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Over the hump is into one of the two post season tournies that matter. 25-6 with a CUSA tourney championship appearance should get us at least an NIT bid, which would be over the hump. All I'm saying is with Paneva, Elmore, Burks and more experienced versions of guys like West and Williams we have no excuse not to be in one of the major post season tourneys next season when you add Bennett, Cook and some of the other pieces to the fold. If it doesn't happen next year, in year 5 with senior guards the questions some folks are asking of DD now will be justified. But, this year is a building year, and I think DD has earned for us to stow those questions away until after next season. But, after next year if we are watching while others are playing in the 2nd week of March then it is time to unpack those questions and ask them earnestly. That's all I was saying.
I know how tremendous next year should be. That's why I am saying if we fall short of a great year next year then it is fair to ask questions.
25-6 and a loss in the CUSA tourney would still get an NIT bid. And lets say if we went 25-6 and did get left out of the NIT? Are you saying we fire a coach that went 25-6? Just asking?
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25-6 and a loss in the CUSA tourney would still get an NIT bid. And lets say if we went 25-6 and did get left out of the NIT? Are you saying we fire a coach that went 25-6? Just asking?
Absolutely not. If 25-6 doesn't get an NIT bid that's not on the coach or the team. That's on a crooked system. But, I don't beileve we'd get left out at 25-6. Hell 25-6 depending on who our wins are and who our losses are might get an at large into the big dance.
I also never said he should be fired if we don't get over that hump next year, I said it "might be time to consider" it.
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Well I can tell you one thing for sure. Marshall has no money period!!! If you think you are going to get a coach to come in here and Make 200K like DD is making, that even comes close to DD then you are wrong. And same goes for DOC. I am not a Doc fan, but there is no money...actually Marshall is becoming in a worse hole everyday. DD is making peanuts and is so underpayed it isn't even funny. Fortunately we have a guy that loves the school and what he is doing more than a pay check. Better be thankful we have a guy like DD and what he is building and willing to do it for peanuts compared to other D1 coaches. Because DD won't be around for ever and the athletic dept is in for some dreadful days in the future of Marshall sports IMO. We are not going to be going to another conference and the noose in every direction just keeps getting tighter around the neck of the athletic budget.
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Well I can tell you one thing for sure. Marshall has no money period!!! If you think you are going to get a coach to come in here and Make 200K like DD is making, that even comes close to DD then you are wrong. And same goes for DOC. I am not a Doc fan, but there is no money...actually Marshall is becoming in a worse hole everyday. DD is making peanuts and is so underpayed it isn't even funny. Fortunately we have a guy that loves the school and what he is doing more than a pay check. Better be thankful we have a guy like DD and what he is building and willing to do it for peanuts compared to other D1 coaches. Because DD won't be around for ever and the athletic dept is in for some dreadful days in the future of Marshall sports IMO. We are not going to be going to another conference and the noose in every direction just keeps getting tighter around the neck of the athletic budget.
Seriously, Danny knew the deal regarding his salary when he took the job. I like Danny, but he was a high school coach with no college experience. It would be crazy to pay a high school coach a mid major salary. He did work for his brother in the pros for a couple of years, but no another NBA team ever offered him a job.
MU could have spent more for the head basketball coaching job, but Hamrick decided to go with the less expensive option.
That said, I am rooting for Danny to win the conference or get an NIT bid.
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Seriously, Danny knew the deal regarding his salary when he took the job. I like Danny, but he was a high school coach with no college experience. It would be crazy to pay a high school coach a mid major salary. He did work for his brother in the pros for a couple of years, but no another NBA team ever offered him a job. Nothing wrong with his younger brother taking care of him.
MU could have spent more for the head basketball coaching job, but Hamrick decided to go with the less expensive option.
That said, I am rooting for Danny to win the conference or get an NIT bid.
Seriously, you are kidding right?
Just what do you think an assistant coach in the NBA makes? The guy is old enough to sit back and enjoy the life of a financially successful retiree, and he chooses to coach his dream job at the school he loves and you think he’s over paid? Give me a break. The guy is making a de facto contribution to Marshall every time he cashes his pay check.
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Seriously, you are kidding right?
Just what do you think an assistant coach in the NBA makes? The guy is old enough to sit back and enjoy the life of a financially successful retiree, and he chooses to coach his dream job at the school he loves and you think he’s over paid? Give me a break. The guy is making a de facto contribution to Marshall every time he cashes his pay check.
So, do you know what Danny was making as an assistant in the NBA? Did any of the other NBA teams ever offer Danny a job? Would have Danny ever been an assistant coach in the NBA, unless his younger brother was in the position to offer him a job? Nothing wrong taking care of your family. I have done it for my family members.
By the way, has any other college looked at Danny as a possible head coaching job since he has been at MU? Was Danny ever in the mix for a head college coaching job before he came to MU?
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So, do you know what Danny was making as an assistant in the NBA? Did any of the other NBA teams ever offer Danny a job? Would have Danny ever been an assistant coach in the NBA, unless his younger brother was in the position to offer him a job? Nothing wrong taking care of your family. I have done it for my family members.
By the way, has any other college looked at Danny as a possible head coaching job since he has been at MU? Was Danny ever in the mix for a head college coaching job before he came to MU?
First off I doubt if anyone else has offered. Mainly because he is 71 years old. And I will tell you this, I have been going to practices for many many years. And there is no one that teaches the game and developes players like Danny. And yes I watched Billy Donovan also. Sometimes you are in the right place and sometimes you aren't. Danny was content on being a High School coach at Myrtle Beach and was very successful at it. He never wanted any other job except the Marshall job. When he says that, he is not blowing smoke. And yes Mike gave him the chance to be an assistant. But do you think Mike would have gave his brother a job if it would have hurt his own chances at being successful? Danny is tremendous at developing talent and that is what he did for Mike and many of the players credit Danny with how they turned out. I was very skeptical when he was hired because I was wanting Mike bigtime. But after watching him teach and how his teams always get better and better, I am thrilled DD got the job. I really do think it did take a little time getting the recruiting thing figured out not having any contacts and Duhan also not having contacts. But that is really starting to change and things are looking very bright going forward. If he can get to a CUSA final with a previous walkon, and the rest in the 6'3" to 6'5" range, I am very happy about where we are headed with a lot of young more talented 6'7" to 6'10" players that are young or hasn't even dressed yet.
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"I really do think it did take a little time getting the recruiting thing figured out not having any contacts and Duhan also not having contacts. But that is really starting to change and things are looking very bright going forward. If he can get to a CUSA final with a previous walkon, and the rest in the 6'3" to 6'5" range, I am very happy about where we are headed with a lot of young more talented 6'7" to 6'10" players that are young or hasn't even dressed yet."
Agreed! It has been a big learning curve for Danny. His lack of recruiting experience was my biggest concern with hiring him. I hope he has it figured out and he appears to be a fast learner. CUSA is a very weak league and if he can get the players, we will win!!!
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25-6 and a loss in the CUSA tourney would still get an NIT bid. And lets say if we went 25-6 and did get left out of the NIT? Are you saying we fire a coach that went 25-6? Just asking?
Ask Bob Zuffelato, not 25 and 6 but 20 and 8. Here was his record at Marshall
1979-1980 17 12 .586 -5.91 -6.10
1980-81 Marshall Southern 28 18 10 .643 -2.15 -3.19
1981-82 Marshall Southern 27 16 11 .593 -0.87 -2.67
1982-83 Marshall Southern 28 20 8 .714 2.23 -3.58
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First off I doubt if anyone else has offered. Mainly because he is 71 years old. And I will tell you this, I have been going to practices for many many years. And there is no one that teaches the game and developes players like Danny. And yes I watched Billy Donovan also. Sometimes you are in the right place and sometimes you aren't. Danny was content on being a High School coach at Myrtle Beach and was very successful at it. He never wanted any other job except the Marshall job. When he says that, he is not blowing smoke. And yes Mike gave him the chance to be an assistant. But do you think Mike would have gave his brother a job if it would have hurt his own chances at being successful? Danny is tremendous at developing talent and that is what he did for Mike and many of the players credit Danny with how they turned out. I was very skeptical when he was hired because I was wanting Mike bigtime. But after watching him teach and how his teams always get better and better, I am thrilled DD got the job. I really do think it did take a little time getting the recruiting thing figured out not having any contacts and Duhan also not having contacts. But that is really starting to change and things are looking very bright going forward. If he can get to a CUSA final with a previous walkon, and the rest in the 6'3" to 6'5" range, I am very happy about where we are headed with a lot of young more talented 6'7" to 6'10" players that are young or hasn't even dressed yet.
Danny's problem is he is not bringing enough talent in. He might be able to develop what he has, but he needs more talent. My biggest disappointment has been his recruiting.
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Danny's problem is he is not bringing enough talent in. He might be able to develop what he has, but he needs more talent. My biggest disappointment has been his recruiting.
Obviously you dont live around here and see the talent the last couple years signed
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Danny's problem is he is not bringing enough talent in. He might be able to develop what he has, but he needs more talent. My biggest disappointment has been his recruiting.
Exactly, herdman. Still not entirely sold on DD's recruiting as a whole. Taylor was recruited by the prior staff as was Loop. Kelly was a one year wonder and give thanks to DD or whomever among his assistants, Cline?, got him on board. Certainly Kudos for Elmore and Browning. Many of the others fall into the project category, often needing 2, 3 years or so to get to the point o/f being a steady, regular ever game contributor. See the Thienemans, Williams. Williams, Penava, Milan, George, type of players. Some slow to develop, non polished or complete players who can contribute right away. I get it that DD does a lot of development and teaching, but he needs to recruit more players who are ready to contribute RIGHT AWAY, like Kelly did, and Elmore currently is doing. We cannot have a team full of players who are developing and growing, some VERY slowly, and be very successful consistently at the top of CUSA, without having a few more experienced and "polished" players, especially in the front court. The result, unfortunately, will be too many nights like last night at Morehead, a not so talented team slated to be a bottom feeder in the OVC this year. But, hopefully, some of our younger guys will show improvement, perhaps significant improvement, as we progress through the OOC slate.
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Obviously you dont live around here and see the talent the last couple years signed
Ok, like who? I like the West kid. Good get. I know the big Bennett kid is sitting out. Let's see if ever plays at MU. And, the Cook kid who is big but still unproven.
So, what exactly am I missing that would stand out as tremendously solid recruiting classes? I know Elmore is obviously the pinnacle but that goes back a bit. So who else? I don't see stellar recruiting.