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The place to talk Marshall University sports! => HerdFans => Topic started by: DC01HERD on August 21, 2017, 07:58:05 PM
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Real bad news for the basketball program. This team will be razor thin.
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It was a long shot to get Bennet eligible. Hard to believe Watson was eligible at Wake and is not here. In long run our NCAA shot was going to come via CUSA tourney...by then Watson will have played entire conf schedule.
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Bennett was a stretch but Im kind of scratching my head with Watson . What the heck did he do last year when he sat out ? I sure hope its not true .
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I'm trying to look at the bright side. West and others will get that much more playing time until Watson gets back. At least Bennett can practice 2nd semester from what I hear. That will be good for him and marshall. Also George will see plenty of time. I'm ready for practice.
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And I agree. What was Watson doing last year while he sat out. Personaly, they shouldn't be able to play and I don't feel a bit sorry for him. It's pathetic!!!! Like DD said, "I'm not going to baby sit them"
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this sucks big time but with Elmore's and hopefully, Peneva's leadership...
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This may be one of those Pennington moments for George . He wasnt expecting to play but once he did , he never looked back.
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That is pitiful. All that time to concentrate on grades to get eligible and he blows it.
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I'm trying to look at the bright side. West and others will get that much more playing time until Watson gets back. At least Bennett can practice 2nd semester from what I hear. That will be good for him and marshall. Also George will see plenty of time. I'm ready for practice.
Herdorbust - is it confirmed that Bennett can practice. That is huge!
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Herdorbust - is it confirmed that Bennett can practice. That is huge!
Would really be "huge" if he diligently worked on getting in tip-top shape for the 2018-19 season, and come in around 280# or so, but well under 300#, IMO.
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I'm hearing Waston's academic ineligibility may not be on him and may be on the compliance team at Marshall making an oversite in his scheduling.
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I'm hearing Waston's academic ineligibility may not be on him and may be on the compliance team at Marshall making an oversite in his scheduling.
Well, he, and they, have had a whole academic year plus this summer to work on whatever academic issues/problems he had. Unless he came out of WF on academic probation, under some academic cloud, on the verge of flunking out, etc., etc., that we never heard anything about. Otherwise, could it be another example of MU's trying to do something "on the cheap", athletically and/or academically? You know, another version of Kayo M.'s "Slow nickel" mentality!
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I'm hearing Waston's academic ineligibility may not be on him and may be on the compliance team at Marshall making an oversite in his scheduling.
If true it is not the first time. I believe the same happened to a FB player in last year or two that cost a kid some games
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I'm hearing Waston's academic ineligibility may not be on him and may be on the compliance team at Marshall making an oversite in his scheduling.
Also read some info with that might be the situation. If so, ugh!!
We lost some personnel in the Buck Harless - Student help center. I think the leader and ??
This is the cost for loss of dedicated experienced personnel.
If the rumors are true, shame on us.
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What a cluster if its true . You would think the compliance dept would know what the heck was needed.
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This, if true, lies on some of the big guys laps...shame!
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This begins with Gilbert...then...Hamrick...lets just stop here...these two guys responsibilty...they totally droped the ball...one or both needs to be held accountable...
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This begins with Gilbert...then...Hamrick...lets just stop here...these two guys responsibilty...they totally droped the ball...one or both needs to be held accountable...
yeah, darn dr gilbert for not focusing on a single individual's schedule.
I'm hearing Waston's academic ineligibility may not be on him and may be on the compliance team at Marshall making an oversite in his scheduling.
as others pointed out, not on compliance. compliance has nothing to do with oversight of an student athlete's scheduling. that'd be the buck harless center.
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I'm hearing Waston's academic ineligibility may not be on him and may be on the compliance team at Marshall making an oversite in his scheduling.
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Just plain sad. Many times, our beloved MU is it's own worst enemy.
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The Herald Dispatch today said Bennett could practice the 2nd semester. Herdmeister may know more also. And if this was not the fault of Watson, then shame on someone at Marshall. They just caused a kid to lose half his season. But like someone said. This may be a huge moment for George. It will get him more than ready for next year along with Bennett being able to practice. There is always a bright side.
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We need Theineman and Bledsoe to step up too. If they cannot contribute now then I'm not sure they are ever going to contribute.
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We are several years into DD being our coach....it is not a wait till next year scenario. It is time for no excuses and this team needs to win. Much easier to find 5 guys then to find 50 guys like football has to.
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Herdorbust - is it confirmed that Bennett can practice. That is huge!
I totally agree with you. Being able to practice come mid December will be HUGE for the next year. Plus the fact that he can be on scholarship and still have 4 years to play beginning in 18-19
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I could personally NEVER blame someone other than the kid themselves for them not being eligible, never. Come on folks, where is the accountability. It's seems it's always "someone screwed up". Well, how about the individual did not take enough care of their own condition to ensure all was in order.
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I could personally NEVER blame someone other than the kid themselves for them not being eligible, never. Come on folks, where is the accountability. It's seems it's always "someone screwed up". Well, how about the individual did not take enough care of their own condition to ensure all was in order.
i don't know that this is the case with rondale, but indiana's top football recruit is ineligible because indiana's compliance office told him what he needed to take his senior year of high school to be eligible at iu as a freshman. he took that schedule, passed, but it was wrong so he was ruled ineligible by the ncaa.
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We are several years into DD being our coach....it is not a wait till next year scenario. It is time for no excuses and this team needs to win. Much easier to find 5 guys then to find 50 guys like football has to.
Really? DD has improved every year he has been here, doing it with great young men and not causing trouble at every turn. And he will continue to improve. This year can be a very good year. But everyone with a brain knows next year is the year that special things can happen. At least DD's program has been getting better EVERY year and hasn't taken a total nosedive. The one thing about DD is he developes talent. That is the fun thing about watching his practices. He doesn't have to get the elite to beat you. He can get good players and make them very good players. This years class with George, Bennett, Koljanin, West and Robinette was phenomenal. I cant wait to see these guys after they have been in the system for a while. Nothing has changed with the program....it's onward and upward. And I couldn't be more excited.
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its a stretch tho to act like DD has accomplished much more than Doc who won a championship soon after getting his own players. We can only hope DD doesn't have a real bad yr but he hasn't been aboard near as long as DOC who has won double digits three times with a Bowl win at the end of all three of those. Completely support DD and agree its looking good but he hasn't got close to a tourney birth yet. When FB fans say wait till next yr they get the raspberry but that's what you just said about BB like an early apology for this yr.
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We are several years into DD being our coach....it is not a wait till next year scenario. It is time for no excuses and this team needs to win. Much easier to find 5 guys then to find 50 guys like football has to.
We have won more games each year he has been here and played for conf tourney champ last year. Due to roster, year 1 shouldn't even count. Two yrs ago we finished in top 4 and advanced in conf tourney. Last year we won 3 tourney games and played for NCAA bid + won 20 games...so it isn't like DD's teams have been underperforming. Even if we take a little step back this year, most people see the chance at a big leap forward the in 2018-2019.
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its a stretch tho to act like DD has accomplished much more than Doc who won a championship soon after getting his own players. We can only hope DD doesn't have a real bad yr but he hasn't been aboard near as long as DOC who has won double digits three times with a Bowl win at the end of all three of those. Completely support DD and agree its looking good but he hasn't got close to a tourney birth yet. When FB fans say wait till next yr they get the raspberry but that's what you just said about BB like an early apology for this yr.
Couple things wrong with your post. You said he hasn't got close to a tourney birth? Really? He was a few points from going last year. Remember we were in the CUSA championship game. And you say i'm apologizing for this coming year. Can you please show me where I said that? I said things were moving along just fine and they could be very good. And Marshall could have played in the CBI or CIT (the equivalent to the bowl games we go to, but they decided against it.
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We have won more games each year he has been here and played for conf tourney champ last year. Due to roster, year 1 shouldn't even count. Two yrs ago we finished in top 4 and advanced in conf tourney. Last year we won 3 tourney games and played for NCAA bid + won 20 games...so it isn't like DD's teams have been underperforming. Even if we take a little step back this year, most people see the chance at a big leap forward the in 2018-2019.
Yes DD pretty much started from scratch. He had what Taylor and a walkon-loop? He ran off Canty, Thomas and Goard. Tell me how many coaches would have run off 3 of the top 4 players? He knew what he wanted and he knew it would take some time going that route. Yes he could have brought in talent the way Herrion did. Pittman, Canty, Thomas, Goard, and the slew of others that never even dressed. But how did that work out? DD wants guys with their head on straight and has a potential skill set. He will develop the rest of their game. Prime example is Milovic. I can remember like it was yesterday, Milovics first preseason. He couldn't even dunk. He was beyond a project. Now he will never be a great player, but he is light years ahead of where he was that first year. And the kid is the hardest worker I have ever seen. If everyone worked like he does you would never have to motivate. He is now a guy that can actually give you some quality minutes. That rubs off on other players.
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I could personally NEVER blame someone other than the kid themselves for them not being eligible, never. Come on folks, where is the accountability. It's seems it's always "someone screwed up". Well, how about the individual did not take enough care of their own condition to ensure all was in order.
Because they trust academic advisors and others to put them on the right path. If you go in and are given a schedule by those in authority why would you second guess it? I think most would just assume they know what is needed and necessary and trust the information they've been given.
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Stand by my post tho ..don't think we that close to MT last yr. And FB fans already saying that 2018 will be much better than this yr. Same deal...diff sport.
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Gotta keep Elmore on board for 2018-19 if we want to take that leap. I hope we can!
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You made a couple false statements about my post. Where again did I apologize for this coming season? Never said anything close to that. And you say we weren't close to the Tournament? We were in the championship game regardless of your opinion. We have got better every year under DD and that is a fact. But please show me where I was apologizing for the upcoming season? You can stand by your post all day but that doesn't make it correct.
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The big difference I see is we had a great brand and image in FB with reasonable expectations to always be a top 5-10 G5 program, especially after $30 million investment in IAF and increased staff salaries. Doc managed to take that and makes us bottom of horrible league. DD is moving slow but last season was in line with some of our better seasons of last 30 years
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We are several years into DD being our coach....it is not a wait till next year scenario. It is time for no excuses and this team needs to win. Much easier to find 5 guys then to find 50 guys like football has to.
Really? DD has improved every year he has been her, doing it with great young men and not causing trouble at every turn. And he will continue to improve. This year can be a very good year. But everyone with a brain knows next year is the year that special things can happen. At least DD's program has been getting better EVERY year and hasn't taken a total nosedive. The one thing about DD is he developes talent. That is the fun thing about watching his practices. He doesn't have to get the elite to beat you. He can get good players and make them very good players. This years class with George, Bennett, Koljanin, West and Robinette was phenomenal. I cant wait to see this guys after they have been in the system for a while. Nothing has changed with the program....it's onward and upward. And I couldn't be more excited.
i fall somewhere in the middle. first, i think technically, we're a few yrs in instead of several. we have improved incrementally yr to yr but i also don't care for "wait till next year" talk and except for graduation/NBA departures i don't like too much turnover (hissy fit :) )...we're not UK. i was hoping for more stability at this point in the program. ineligibility problems just rub me the wrong way but i don't expect miracles! while i respect perspectives and enthusiasm and sincerely appreciate reports from practices, i have no choice but to temper my hopes until i've seen OOC games. speaking of early season, during the feeling out process, chemistry of lineups, the 6th man on down, i want to see us win more of those games, especially road games, thus a reason for "a full bench of schollies to choose from" is one of the keys to a better team. none of this yrs(2016-17) class has been in a real D1 game. i do believe in DD developing players, but the real test is this year, here and now with players like Theineman, Bledsoe, Penava, Burks, Watson and it can only be seen in game situations where the stakes are real. as far as next yr, you just never know who will still be here (Elmore), who won't and who will be added. i don't expect any total nosedive this year but i expect a team that continues baby steps, that is at least as good as last yr.
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Prime example is Milovic. I can remember like it was yesterday, Milovics first preseason. He couldn't even dunk. He was beyond a project. Now he will never be a great player, but he is light years ahead of where he was that first year.
I admire Milovic's work ethic, and I certainly mean no dis-respect to him, but my first question has always been: why even recruit a player who, at best, was "beyond a project"?
I would have loved for DD to have the opportunity to coach up a player with more potential and more ability for the past 4 seasons. Imagine what we'd have now! It is especially burdensome now we have just 10 scholarship players.
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I admire Milovic's work ethic, and I certainly mean no dis-respect to him, but my first question has always been: why even recruit a player who, at best, was "beyond a project"?
I would have loved for DD to have the opportunity to coach up a player with more potential and more ability for the past 4 seasons. Imagine what we'd have now! It is especially burdensome now we have just 10 scholarship players.
because danny was hired at the end of april and the vast majority of kids had already signed at the time.
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Again, no disrespect, but DD could have gone to the rec center and found 5 kids better than Milan.
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When Doc took over I feel the 90s were long gone and forgotten and the 5 previous yrs of no winning seasons a more fresh thingy. Whatever he accomplished he did it on his own after he got his own guys. Agree about the facilities and last yrs fiasco. Like everyone else I want to see a new beginning in FB. I talked to a life long friend today who saw Byrd and Greer play once upon a time in the east. He's had season tickets for roundball as long as I can remember. He feels DD is in for a tough yr due to no inside guys esp on D. But I hope we win CUSA in both sports. And realize that this yr BB has a better chance than FB......maybe.
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Again, no disrespect, but DD could have gone to the rec center and found 5 kids better than Milan.
that's a bit of hyperbole. if the kids were remotely good enough to play d1 basketball they would be somewhere playing, not the rec. i mean jon played rec basketball in his year sitting out and had a game where he scored over 100 points, in like 15 minutes halves with a running clock. it's an entirely different level.
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Since I failed at portraying my previous post as (at least partially) a joke, I will say DD could have driven 5 minutes in one direction or 25 minutes in the other and ended up at Huntington Prep or Teays Valley Prep and taken the 10th man off their rosters.
Instead, he traveled half-way around the world to get a guy with FAR less talent combined with a SUBSTANTIAL communication barrier.
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And he still has made the herd better every year. I would lay money that none of us great coaches and recruiters on this board could have done better. I trust DD in what he is doing.
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Why is it OK to kill Doc (and I have) but anytime anyone criticizes DD they get blasted...we have not accomplished anything yet in basketball and bb is a much easier sport to put together a team then football is...recruit two studs and some role players and you can win.
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It's Just my opinion. But doc proved he could win when the best teams left cusa and the conference was gutted. He didn't win the 3 yrs before and now that the conference brought in wku, mtsu and a couple others it has collapsed again. Look at the timing of those 3 seasons and the jr and Sr laiden teams. Along with catching lightning in a bottle with cato and shuler. Before and after has been disastrous. And I have seen way to many things out of doc to make me shake my head. But that is just my opinion and I will be their cheering on the herd 9-2-17.
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He beat Maryland playing 25 miles from the Md campus after they had clobbered the qu-eers 35-zip. The very next yr the Terps beat Mich..won 7 in the Big and went to a Bowl.
He destroyed NIU that had ruled the MAC for several straight yrs and were a coupla removed from an Orange Bowl appearance.
U Connwas mediocre but so were we but won vs the only team that yr to beat ?..Hoston I think.
He ran ECU outa Cabell Co their last yr in CUSA when it meant a lot to the fans.
The Cato yrs esp the last two were real and Doc gets the credit just as the blame for last yr but you and others have a hard time telling it like it was.
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To have 10 scholarship players in year 4 is not good. There are legit questions about where this program is going. If we want to make national noise its going to come from basketball. The football ship has sailed. We really should direct more funds to basketball.
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Like I said it's just my opinion. We will see how he does this year with one of the weakest schedule in all of d1. Hopefully he can get it done. Ill be there cheering them on against miami.
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Ranked twice in top 25 is as much noise as we are ever gonna make.. cant do it every yr at po dunk city with sub par fundind and state support.
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I am curious why Wilson was suspended from the team before he left Wake Forest to transfer to The Herd? Anyone know the details? The article says he was suspended to "departmental rules", maybe it was academic related? You have to attend class if you attend WFU.
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/10/31/wake-forest-basketball-cornelius-hudson-rondale-watson-suspended
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Anyone know the details? The article says he was suspended to "departmental rules", maybe it was academic related? You have to attend class if you attend WFU.
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/10/31/wake-forest-basketball-cornelius-hudson-rondale-watson-suspended
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Since you confess knowing The D/Deacons requirments as above; I would suggest your asking those Folks board and not The Universities... Your question...?
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There should be checks and balances to make sure a player is eligible if possible...should not be any grey area.
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It's Just my opinion. But doc proved he could win when the best teams left cusa and the conference was gutted. He didn't win the 3 yrs before and now that the conference brought in wku, mtsu and a couple others it has collapsed again. Look at the timing of those 3 seasons and the jr and Sr laiden teams. Along with catching lightning in a bottle with cato and shuler. Before and after has been disastrous. And I have seen way to many things out of doc to make me shake my head. But that is just my opinion and I will be their cheering on the herd 9-2-17.
Only thing, herdorbust, is that Danny D. has also played against a watered down, if not gutted, CUSA. NO Houston. NO UCF. NO Tulsa. AND NO Memphis!!
And as for attrition. Well, with 13 schollies in BB it doesn't take much in the way of defections to severely weaken, perhaps cripple a team. In 2 or 3 seasons, we've now lost Nikolic and Thompson, with eligibility left. We've also lost scholarship players who HARDLY played: Allison and Dozic. We got one super year from a grad transfer, Kelly. Now we're losing at least a half year with Watson. We've gained nothing except for Coach's stroking some in state HS coaches egos by lauding in state players and then bringing them in as walk-ons: Kilgore, Ot Elmrore, Frampton, and Browning from Wyoming County. All of whom, game wise, contributed a big NOTHING to the program - - and, No, we didn't get Frampton's brother.
I disagree with Danny D's approach in several areas. First, I would go after solid Junior College players from good junior college programs who have at least 2 years of eligibility left over a one year only grad transfer, except in the case of an exceptional talent (and don't tell me that Danny and any of his staff had ANY IDEA that Kelly would have the year he had).
Second, swallow a little of the in state pride bit and expand the Herd's geographic recruiting area a little bit more. Don't tell me that this state produces real quality big men that often; it doesn't. The big kid at WVU last year from Morgantown and Ross Patten at MU about a decade ago are the exceptions, not the rule.
So now, we are basically entering 2017-18 season with a 10 man roster. VERY THIN and inexperienced up front: Behind Penava, who was recently noted to weigh 212 pounds, so much for his extensive off season weight and conditioning program, we have a totally inexperienced red shirt, untested freshman, also a little thin, and a juco. Any serious foul trouble, and we'll have seldom used senior, Milan, with the mobility of an iceberg. Other up front slot will be manned by either the aforementioned juco, with Bledsoe and/or Theineman as back ups. One of those, hopefully both, need to have a series spike in their caliber of play, a break out year, so to speak, if we are to find continuing success, IMO. The true frosh forward from VA may be a good talent but, again, is a little thin and also inexperienced.
As for 2018-19, I'll refrain from saying it will be a super season, only for the reason that we can't tell yet whether Elmore will be back. Yes, should have both Iran and Watson. Don't look for that much right away from Robinette. He played at a very small Virginia HS against very weak competition. After a year at Hargrave and a red shirt, he will be an untested frosh, still learning the college game. And who's to say if Penava has a solid season, gets his degree, that he will return to MU?
Definitely hoping for continued improvement from the Herd in the upcoming season. That will require a great uptick in road success for beginners. Whether we will be deep enough by season's end to contend again in Conference tourney is anyone's guess, and will be dependent a lot on whether we have any serious injury bugs through the year. As for down the road, I'll temper my enthusiasm somewhat based on 30 years of Herd basketball futility and REALISM and not allow myself to get overly excited by others' continuous and glowing "practice reports"!!!
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There should be checks and balances to make sure a player is eligible if possible...should not be any grey area.
in theory yes. in practice we can afford like 5-6 academic counselors for 300+ student athletes.
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Can't see the b-ball team being improved more than last season. Losing Seniors Taylor, Browning, Loop, with Thompson transferring, and now Watson ineligible the 1st semester.
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Did he say Browning contributed zero?
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Now it does look like rebounding, and interior defense will continue to be a problem. I thought for sure when Thompson transferred that somehow, behind the scenes, it meant in my little mind that IB would be eligible.
Turned out there was no relationship there, just another case of the NCAA being harsh on the little guy, with the UK's and UL's
churning out another full team of 1-and-done's with little to no academic quals.
p2m
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Did he say Browning contributed zero?
Probably meant Bowling.
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There should be checks and balances to make sure a player is eligible if possible...should not be any grey area.
Indiana lost a freshman wide receiver this year because the kid received the wrong information from the IU Compliance Office. It happens.
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DD gets a pass from the fanbase because 1) he's a former Herd player and 2) in the end, we don't really care about basketball. Not like we do about football, anyway.
Try this: name Dan D'Antoni's biggest accomplishment at Marshall that isn't a loss.
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Only thing, herdorbust, is that Danny D. has also played against a watered down, if not gutted, CUSA. NO Houston. NO UCF. NO Tulsa. AND NO Memphis!!
This is a BS statement. CUSA is really no better or worse than it was before those teams left. I realize Memphis was really good from 2006 through 2008, but if you compare MT, WKU, ODU, and LA Tech to the 4 AAC teams you mentioned you will find the current CUSA teams had better RPIs over the past 3 years, despite having to play some in conference dregs. Maybe you should have thrown in SMU (who stunk in BB when they were in CUSA). CUSA was a one bid conference before the big shift and its still a one bid conference now. Also the CUSA tournament team has now won its first round NCAA game 3 years in a row - last time that happened - Memphis 2006-2008.
The way the CUSA scheduling has worked over the past few years has left Marshall playing home and away against WKU, UAB, MT, ODU and Charlotte with single games against the rest of the league. I think that scheduling quirk might have made our overall conference schedule more challenging than back when we played ECU twice a year.
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still a doable season if they give 110%
i'm sure there'll be a little crossover 2 thru 5, some more than others
1 Elmore, West
2 Burks, Theineman, Villers, Reed (Watson later)
3 George, Bledsoe, Fenton
4 Koljanin, Williams
5 Penava, Mijovic
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Probably meant Bowling.
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Yes, my bad. Meant Bowling from Wyoming County, not Browning from Logan.
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Only thing, herdorbust, is that Danny D. has also played against a watered down, if not gutted, CUSA. NO Houston. NO UCF. NO Tulsa. AND NO Memphis!!
This is a BS statement. CUSA is really no better or worse than it was before those teams left. I realize Memphis was really good from 2006 through 2008, but if you compare MT, WKU, ODU, and LA Tech to the 4 AAC teams you mentioned you will find the current CUSA teams had better RPIs over the past 3 years, despite having to play some in conference dregs. Maybe you should have thrown in SMU (who stunk in BB when they were in CUSA). CUSA was a one bid conference before the big shift and its still a one bid conference now. Also the CUSA tournament team has now won its first round NCAA game 3 years in a row - last time that happened - Memphis 2006-2008.
The way the CUSA scheduling has worked over the past few years has left Marshall playing home and away against WKU, UAB, MT, ODU and Charlotte with single games against the rest of the league. I think that scheduling quirk might have made our overall conference schedule more challenging than back when we played ECU twice a year.
UAB has been about the same our whole tenure in CUSA, pretty solid program. Same goes for UTEP. You can debate some of the newer schools versus the older ones: UTSA, NTSU, FIU and FAU vs. SMU, Tulane, ECU. However, Tulsa and Houston were definitely as good or better than ODU and Charlotte have been thus far. WKU has been on a downturn for a couple of seasons and anyone's guess how good or bad they'll be this year. LA Tech and MTSU have been very good since coming into CUSA, but not, IMO, in Memphis' league while it ruled the league. Southern Miss has been a yo-yo program ever since MU has been in CUSA and you can just about put Rice into that category.
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I don't think the interior defense will be any worse than last year. And I actually think it will be better, and here is why. Our inside guys (Taylor was undersized, Thompson wasn't a great defender, and Peneva who will be back this year bigger and stronger with more experience) So we had Taylor and Thompson we lost. Put in Koljanin and Williams and you probably drop off a little although both are more athletic than Taylor and Thompson. But here is the big key.... Guard play!!!! Like I said I loved Stevie and Loop. But they could not stop dribble penetration and it made it much tougher on our bigs. We will have better guard play on defense even while Watson is out. There won't be as much penetration from opposing guards as last year and that will help our bigs out a lot.
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that's a bit of hyperbole. if the kids were remotely good enough to play d1 basketball they would be somewhere playing, not the rec. i mean jon played rec basketball in his year sitting out and had a game where he scored over 100 points, in like 15 minutes halves with a running clock. it's an entirely different level.
And Kareem Canty, Ryan Taylor and Tyquan Goard had a rec center league team the year they were sitting out and got washed in the finals by Andy Burns (SVHS All State Selection a few years back) and some other nobodies. There are some pretty solid players in the MU rec center, a lot of guys that could be playing college ball, playing in there for whatever reason.. Now, most of those guys would be at the D2 or NAIA level but there are a handful of guys in the rec center that could have played D1 ball at least there was when I was at MU.
There are also lots of trash players too. One team, I played against was terrible. I dropped 54 on them and I'm not near a D1 player. The talent level is pretty all over the place in the MU rec center.