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The place to talk Marshall University sports! => HerdFans => Topic started by: Buffalo Bop on July 18, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
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https://twitter.com/GrantTraylor/status/887342510716203009
Too high, too low or just right?
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CUSA MEDIA poll EAST (1st place votes)
1. WKU (20)
2. Middle Tenn (4)
3. ODU (3)
4. Marshall (1)
5. Florida Atlantic
6. FIU
7, Charlotte
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I say #3 at a minimum
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https://twitter.com/GrantTraylor/status/887345858982940672
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Given the way last year went it's about right. Do I think the team is better than that? Hell yes I do! Need to get the house in order and win some games. I believe we will be pleasantly surprised.
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Man, it's hard to believe how far we have fallen off the radar. No respect for a once storied program. I guess going 3-9 and quitting in 3 or 4 games will do that. I consider anything less than 9-3 in this midget league conference utter failure. Maybe I should lower my expectations.....
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https://vimeo.com/223295434
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About right. The same captain that drove the ship into the dock is still at the helm and the crew mates are about the same. 3-9 4-8 at best....
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Anything less than 7-5 to me is not a real turnaround....I suspect Doc will keep his job at 6-6 but should not...I do put a lot of weight on the Miami game...I feel it sets the tone for the entire year. We are an underdog at home and win that game and could propel us to a solid season....lose and many fans including me are calling for Doc's head.
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Stark reality is nowhere to go but up after the 2016 fiasco!!
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CUSA MEDIA poll EAST (1st place votes)
1. WKU (20)
2. Middle Tenn (4)
3. ODU (3)
(4. Marshall (1) this is an embarrassment!)
5. Florida Atlantic
6. FIU
7, Charlotte
If this standing holds true and we don't do better than 4th place is this league, then Doc needs to be fired! If Hamrick holds back, he needs to hit the door as well.
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I've got to see improvement before I will believe it. Marshall picked behind directional kentucky, directional Tennessee and odu? Are you kidding me? We are talking about a once proud football program. If we aren't respected any more than 4th in the east division with teams like Charlotte and odu start ups. And wku and mtsu sunbelt and 2 directional Florida schools, then wow. I just hope the football program isn't taking the Tom Herroin route.
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"Nah, man. That's a dog or somethun." - Byron Leftwich
p2m
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Considering last year debacle and uncertainty of a fix, projection is reality until we see changes on the field.
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Anything less than 7-5 to me is not a real turnaround....I suspect Doc will keep his job at 6-6 but should not...I do put a lot of weight on the Miami game...I feel it sets the tone for the entire year. We are an underdog at home and win that game and could propel us to a solid season....lose and many fans including me are calling for Doc's head.
IMO Docs fortunes are tied to Legg. He has doubled down on hitching his wagon to Legg's abilities. Lots of mediocre football teams on our schedule so we should be able to get to 6 wins. I agree the first one is a biggie. I think our D could be much better...not sure about offense and ST
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It's so pathetic that WKU and MT have come in and dominated this conference. We have been in it for over a decade and have made 1 football champ game. That is pathetic. And now you have ODU ranked above us? Horrible.
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It's so pathetic that WKU and MT have come in and dominated this conference. We have been in it for over a decade and have made 2 football champ game. That is pathetic. And now you have ODU ranked above us? Horrible.
But if you ask Doc's, and Hamrick apologist's they will tell you, we had (3 10 win seasons!) Doc's one championship in seven years is pathetic sickening!
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As Red Peter's once sang....
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Embarrassing. ODU ahead of us. WKU is our new UCF, and MTSU is our ECU.
Awful that we aren't #1 far and away.
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4th rank? give Doc the yank
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But if you ask Doc's, and Hamrick apologist's they will tell you, we had (3 10 win seasons!) Doc's one championship in seven years is pathetic sickening!
There has to be a better "way to do it right" than this.
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You guys know this is a crystal ball prediction. You know we have to play the games first to get the real results.
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You guys know this is a crystal ball prediction. You know we have to play the games first to get the real results.
Thanks for that clarification.
bottom line, it shows where Doc has taken this program....he better undo what he has done or hit the bricks
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The cards have been dealt...we now just need to cheer our team on and if Doc doesn't produce he will not be the coach next year...we will know in a few short weeks if he can put us back to winning.
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You guys know this is a crystal ball prediction. You know we have to play the games first to get the real results.
But if you ask Doc's, and Hamrick apologist's they will tell you, we had (3 10 win seasons!) Doc's one championship in seven years is pathetic sickening!
Do you understand E’s words and the result 3-9? That number is a fact. A very very very sad fact.
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Same HC.
Same OC.
Same DC.
Same QB.
Same Recruiting.
Same Schemes.
Same Result.
4th place in the east sounds about right.
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Thanks for that clarification.
bottom line, it shows where Doc has taken this program....he better undo what he has done or hit the bricks
But it is becoming increasingly clear, 2xBison, to many that the "undoing" would have to include jettisoning his BFF, Bill Legg. And it is also pretty clear that Doc has decided that he and his BFF will "sink or swim" together, with Mike Hamrick's blessing!!
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Our Lb corp is going to be awesome! Scheme to fit there style and our D is going to be much improved. Bee inside will help us in the interior a lot. D carries us this year.
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No kool aid for me until after the first game and then maybe a tiny sip or maybe throw the glass in the garbage.
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But it is becoming increasingly clear, 2xBison, to many that the "undoing" would have to include jettisoning his BFF, Bill Legg. And it is also pretty clear that Doc has decided that he and his BFF will "sink or swim" together, with Mike Hamrick's blessing!!
I've never been a big Doc fan, thought he has always under achieved. even in the good years. that said, i'm not going to sit here and rip them and be negative, i'll wait and see how the season goes. i'm hopeful we can have a good season..if not, I will bitch then when the time comes. for now, i'm just waiting and seeing and planning my tailgate
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Our Lb corp is going to be awesome! Scheme to fit there style and our D is going to be much improved. Bee inside will help us in the interior a lot. D carries us this year.
Bee doesn't have the bulk to be an interior linemen. He's a rush end but then again why am I surprised this staff takes a kid great at his position and moves him somewhere he'll get lost.
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Bee doesn't have the bulk to be an interior linemen. He's a rush end but then again why am I surprised this staff takes a kid great at his position and moves him somewhere he'll get lost.
All Marshall ever schemes is the rush ends. Dropping a few off the line into short coverage is something Doc has never figured out
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I believe the thought that Bee will be a FT interior DL is false. I believe he will be moved around situationally. Very tough for a 6'7 guy to be an interior DL unless he plays with tremendously low pad level/strength and has a great explosion at snap.
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This season falls more on leadership then talent...the team last year had no leadership and key players were the ones causing trouble....Ryan Bee was suspended because of what he did on the road with Chase...if these guys can turn it around this team has a chance....if not it will be a 5-7 type season.
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Bee doesn't have the bulk to be an interior linemen. He's a rush end but then again why am I surprised this staff takes a kid great at his position and moves him somewhere he'll get lost.
I think we do with Bee what the Eagle do with Vinny Curry. When Curry plays DT he is unstoppable with penetration. He disrupts the play at the snap. That's what I see Bee doing. Making the initial key play that allows others to swarm and clean up the play. This is college. Most ol we play are slow. He will do damage inside.
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We'll see about Bee. Apparently he will be a FT DT according to CUSA interview today. He said he has put on 20 lbs in offseason. Trouble is with his height it will be harder keeping his pad level down without great strength/explosion. The OL may be slow but they know where the play is going...which makes kit easier to get under the pads of a DT on a running play. Hopefully it works out.....I guess he could always move back to DE or split time at the 2 positions. As I've said, I expect the D to be better.
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We'll see about Bee. Apparently he will be a FT DT according to CUSA interview today. He said he has put on 20 lbs in offseason. Trouble is with his height it will be harder keeping his pad level down without great strength/explosion. The OL may be slow but they know where the play is going...which makes kit easier to get under the pads of a DT on a running play. Hopefully it works out.....I guess he could always move back to DE or split time at the 2 positions. As I've said, I expect the D to be better.
I hope it works out too because we all know John's motto "If it isn't working, keep doing the same thing."
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I hope it works out too because we all know John's motto "If it isn't working, keep doing the same thing."
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That was funny.
Sadly true, but funny.
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OL and DL play will determine what kind of season we have. Jmo. Both lack depth.