Topic: Smock: Chase Litton's choice a puzzling one

[HerdBlizz]

Did he pass last semester?   Just asking.

[svherd]

Smock was on the Paul Swann Sports Talk yesterday and said Legg was Chase's biggest supporter in the program that his family had a reputation as being hard to deal with, especially his brother, who Smock said he had to block on Twitter. Helicopter was the term thrown out. No wonder Doc was afraid to pull him, they may have pulled a Gullooli on him.

Time to move on to bigger and better things for MU football. Hell, I may get season tix even though I am not sure I'll be able to make any games next fall due to being in NC and my daughter playing college soccer.

[QuickStrike]

I've said what my thoughts were on his current chances and hoped he stayed to improve them, but looks like he has signed with an agent.  Hope he makes it, and looking forward to a new QB race.

[herdcase]

Just my humble opinion, but having gone to several of last years spring practices; I personally thought GREEN was the best QB on the field. At least in practices, going against our number 1 offense, he had more accuracy, more speed & quickness, better ability to make the D miss, and seemed to always move the O better down the field.

I honestly thought he would be the starter going into the season. Boy was I wrong about that. Most of the fans watching, felt the same way, it seemed to me. Whether it be a graduate transfer or not, I think the Herd will be in good hands because it will take a good QB to take the position away from Green;  and NO, I do not know the young man; just my observations.

Now will that transfer to actual game play, we'll see, but he has the potential to be a really good herd QB.

[whf]

Went to the spring game in the IAF last year, thought Gaines was doing a great job with his chances.  Then got a program and realized I was watching Green.  While I wouldn't say he did better than Chase, he sure got a lot of throws in that practice / scrimmage and made some pretty impressive plays.

After that practice I fully understood when the moves Gaines to TE as his results were considerably less effective than either Green or Morrell.

I think we'll be OK with either Green or Morrell, but hope they make the "starter" decision earlier than fall camp so that much effort can be applied to getting the "starter" really ready for the season.  August 1 will be too late, regardless of who is chosen.

[Green Dog]

I have much respect for Morrell. He showed more leadership, integrity and
raw guts in one game than Chase Litton did in three years.

A QB can make or break a coaching career. Ask Bill Legg.

[herdfifteen]

Just my humble opinion, but having gone to several of last years spring practices; I personally thought GREEN was the best QB on the field. At least in practices, going against our number 1 offense, he had more accuracy, more speed & quickness, better ability to make the D miss, and seemed to always move the O better down the field.

I honestly thought he would be the starter going into the season. Boy was I wrong about that. Most of the fans watching, felt the same way, it seemed to me. Whether it be a graduate transfer or not, I think the Herd will be in good hands because it will take a good QB to take the position away from Green;  and NO, I do not know the young man; just my observations.

Now will that transfer to actual game play, we'll see, but he has the potential to be a really good herd QB.

Thanks for your observations, too, I haven't given up on Morrell by any means. I know I am likely in the minority, but I do not want a one and done. Let Green get the experience he needs, if that involves growing pains let it happen, then we will be set for the future.

[Really?]

I stand by the thought that he knew who our OC would be or at least the 2-3 being seriously considered, saw their schemes and what role the QB played, knew it wasn't a good fit and that he would likely lose his job. Legg prolly coddled him and he knew that wouldn't be the case going forward. jmo

Legg was not the one who coddled him from what I heard.


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[HerdEcon]

Perhaps the biggest impact of Litton's early departure will be on the depth at the QB spot.  This could add some wrinkles for the new OC and coaches on offense when their plate is already loaded.  Doc would be smart to bring in a JUCO or grad transfer if there are any out there worthy of a shot.  At the least Doc should try to use the opening to bring in a highly talented HS prospect in the late recruiting period if there are any left. 

[svherd]

Legg was not the one who coddled him from what I heard.


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You are right, maybe Doc as well. Just going on what Smock said, he should know, he's around the program every day.

[MUther]

Morrell, if he even sniffs starting at QB, we are in real trouble, and might as well hang it up. I hope Green is good.

I don't see how you could say that based on what we saw in '16.  Morrell lost 2 games vs Louisville and WKU.  Chase lost 7 against some of the worst teams in FBS that year and would have lost the same two Morrell did just as badly.  I'm willing to give anyone a chance if they earn it. 

[goherd24]

I don't see how you could say that based on what we saw in '16.  Morrell lost 2 games vs Louisville and WKU.  Chase lost 7 against some of the worst teams in FBS that year and would have lost the same two Morrell did just as badly.  I'm willing to give anyone a chance if they earn it.

Because morrell short hopped receivers by 10 yards like birdsong, and also threw it 20 yards over there head, and had a hand full of accurate throws. Its immediately clear that he is a bad QB to almost anyone i believe. Chase had his issues, but he ended up as one of our best all time statistically, and has the tools to succeed. Morrell. Is. Bad. Period.

[BHFIOHIO]

Diff might not be night and day after one more yr of development but I wonder based on the Green HS vid if he got to run a pass happy O moreso than GM. And it is pure bias but I figure he runs better also, The practice guys have all been impressed.

[svherd]

Because morrell short hopped receivers by 10 yards like birdsong, and also threw it 20 yards over there head, and had a hand full of accurate throws. Its immediately clear that he is a bad QB to almost anyone i believe. Chase had his issues, but he ended up as one of our best all time statistically, and has the tools to succeed. Morrell. Is. Bad. Period.

Considering the dude had one week to prepare for UL, the best team we've played in years; and one week to prepare for WKU after Chase bailed, that would have been expected, not hoped for, but expected.

On to bigger and better things for Herd football. I'm actually excited to see what the season brings.

[MUther]

Because morrell short hopped receivers by 10 yards like birdsong, and also threw it 20 yards over there head, and had a hand full of accurate throws. Its immediately clear that he is a bad QB to almost anyone i believe. Chase had his issues, but he ended up as one of our best all time statistically, and has the tools to succeed. Morrell. Is. Bad. Period.

You also just described most of Litton's games.  No one is buying the 60% (bleep) completion ratio.  He stalled a lot of drives completing passes for no or little gain.  Throwing to the right guy at the right time is more important than completion %.  And YAC matters, too.  Ball position upon completion leads to YAC.  We rarely had any.  Right into his junior year he was shorting or sailing passes.  Did you just forget all the ints due to bad passes this year alone?  You've got worse blinders than Doc when it comes to Litton.

[banker]

The simple fact is that Litton lacked the heart, guts and commitment to be a championship level QB at Marshall. I'm glad he's gone and my only regret is that Doc didn't pull Green's RS once we were eliminated from the east race to let him get some experience.

[wasbarryb]

The simple fact is that Litton lacked the heart, guts and commitment to be a championship level QB at Marshall. I'm glad he's gone and my only regret is that Doc didn't pull Green's RS once we were eliminated from the east race to let him get some experience.

That's a bit stronger than I'd put things. But you aren’t that far off from how I feel.

Given that he's made his choice I no longer have any interest in Mr. Litton. I don't care if he fails or succeeds. I certainly have nothing to gain by him failing if he does, so I simply don't care.

I wish I had more faith in Doc's ability to Identify and recruit diamonds in the rough, but I don’t. I wish I had more confidence that Doc’s staff would develop and improve our player’s, but I don’t.

Right now I’m willing to hold my breath and wait. If our next QB is our next great QB, I’ll be very happy. If our new coaching staff can energize the program, that will be great. If not then we need to clean house in a year or two.

In the world of stock investing there’s a saying “Hope is not a strategy”. That may be true in that world but, right now hope is all we Herd fans have to hold onto. 

[QuickStrike]

Because morrell short hopped receivers by 10 yards like birdsong, and also threw it 20 yards over there head, and had a hand full of accurate throws. Its immediately clear that he is a bad QB to almost anyone i believe. Chase had his issues, but he ended up as one of our best all time statistically, and has the tools to succeed. Morrell. Is. Bad. Period.

Dumb post.  Morrell played 2 games in 2016 as a true freshman.  Go back and look up how many INTs Chad P. threw in his 1st start.

[MicDrass1]

Morrell had better spring game numbers last year than Litton or Gaines.  Way too early to write him off.  He's got an arm.

[andy31]

Dumb post.  Morrell played 2 games in 2016 as a true freshman.  Go back and look up how many INTs Chad P. threw in his 1st start.

Agreed.  The sample size on what we've seen on Morrell is too small to draw any conclusions.  The Louisville D-Line was in his face at the snap of the ball and he was leading perhaps the most unmotivated Marshall team I've ever watched against WKU.  He'll be given a shot at it come spring ball.

[MicDrass1]

Agreed.  The sample size on what we've seen on Morrell is too small to draw any conclusions.  The Louisville D-Line was in his face at the snap of the ball and he was leading perhaps the most unmotivated Marshall team I've ever watched against WKU.  He'll be given a shot at it come spring ball.

And our coaching staff gave him zero chance for success.

Run 1st down - 1 yard
Run 2nd down - 1 yard
Pass 3rd down.

Every single time. 

[BHFIOHIO]

 Green's dual threat talent maybe the diff between the two

[MicDrass1]

Green's dual threat talent maybe the diff between the two

But I think Morrell is a scrambler.  Kind of like an Andrew Luck type

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Aside:

I love how so many of these newer forum members are so independently minded, and disinclined to lock arms with any group think that had, imo, previously made for such an uninteresting board for so long.

It really adds to the flavor of things when people just post what they think and why they think it, without seeming to come at Topic X with some predisposition, either to agree with certain others or to disagree with certain others--ie, supporting the social club aspect of the board. And dare I say, I think it may have had some good effect on some of the more seasoned posters, too.

That's all. Go back to what you were doing, please. This is good stuff.

[MUther]

I don't care if it's Morrell, Green, White, or some last second transfer.  What's important to me is that at least one of them fits the scheme we will be adopting and is given ample opportunity to earn the position.  And also it's important that if the chosen one doesn't show the aptitude or desire to maintain that starting position that we mix things up till we find the right combination. 

The whole Chase is the starter because Chase is the starter thing really irked me.  There are games where a player's performance requires them being taken out for a bit or a game or a season.  I don't believe Chase ever should have been removed from his position permanently, but it was clear to most that there were times he needed to be taken out to get his composure, talk with QB coach about what was not going right, and any other myriad of reasons.  Our starting QB should not be a delicate flower whose pride and self-worth would be at risk if they sat out a series after making some crucial mistakes.  It's a team sport.  You do what it takes for the sake of the team.